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$101,091: Annual Compensation for Average Milwaukee Teacher

SR enlisted with 20+ years in are getting paid roughly comparable amounts. Base Pay for an E8 at 20 years is $4568 a month, with a monthly allowance for housing (assuming dependents and living in Milwaulkee) of an additional $1320. BAS (basic allowance for sustinance; what the military pays you to feed your family) would be another $323. So a pre-tax income of about $74,300 per anum. Add in subsidized health and life insurance (we pay, but it's very little - maybe 3%), and other miscelaneous items (you don't have to pay for glasses, when you deploy you make danger pay, force seperation allowance, etc), and I could see it being about-ish the same.

not that I don't agree that Teachers' salaries are out of whack; the AVERAGE teacher making a comparable income as the narrow amount of our TOP enlisted personnel isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison

I don't think the bennies add up to 26k a year to make up the difference. Nevertheless, you're forgetting that this 101k a year for teachers is an average and doesn't include the bennies you used to make up the difference between Sr enlisted over 20 years to the average school teacher. No offense to teachers, but a 20 year career military person has had considerably more training and and a much more arduous life.
 
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Without this information, it's an incomplete comparison



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Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...

Is that why you do it or do you have a job which pays even better for less work?
 
I am not surprised that you cannot back up your claim with facts and evidence.

there's plenty. i know that both are true across the broad spectrum of the United States; and so if i wanted to spend an hour or so digging i'm sure i could find you the Perfect Example, or the study that proves, so on and so forth. there are plenty of studies that demonstrate that the amount of money spent per child has little effect (if any) on their test scores past a bare point - no doubt buried in there is the information that would pretty decisively answer the question.

it's just that - unfortunately - you are no longer worth digging it out for. If it was obvious child, who is rude and abusive, but at least logical and debates with evidence, then I might. i just finished a two-poster reply to him.

but you have repeatedly demonstrated that the effort would be wasted on you. you aren't interested in honest debate.

you're a tireless rebutter

Its probably unfair to ask you to find proof which does not exist.

so. teachers compensation has gone down over the past few decades? the teachers unions cannot do their jobs?

or is it that you want to claim that America's students scores are improving?

You should learn a lesson from your posts on the teachers union buying and owning the negotiators across the table form them

that is actually what i am referencing. oldreliable and i provided a wealth of information for you in that thread, only to have you constantly refuse to respond to it, followed by you moving the goalposts.
 
Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...

I took an enhanced severance/retirement package at age 58, started drawing Navy Reserve retirement at age 60, social security at age 62. Drawing from multiple sources, my retirement is less than my wife's teacher retirement, but she did 27 years at one job, I moved around from Navy to 2 civilian companies. The 2 civilian companies only pay about $700 per month combined.
OTOH, except for her last 5 years teaching, I made more as a technician than she did teaching. I guess a generous retirement package can make up for low pay.
I didn't get the time off that she did, but I retired 3 years earlier.
 
Oh, I dunno. Might have something to do with summers off, two weeks at Christmas, spring break, being able to retire at 55 with a healthy pension...

How many weeks do the reporters on Fox that you get this info from work? How many vacations per year does Glenn Beck get? How much money does he make? These people are hypocrites to the max.

These teachers, by the highest estimates, make $100k per year including fringe benefits. How can you possibly be offended by that? Why are you not making posts about the outrageous CEO salaries across the country?
 
I don't think the bennies add up to 26k a year to make up the difference. Nevertheless, you're forgetting that this 101k a year for teachers is an average and doesn't include the bennies you used to make up the difference between Sr enlisted over 20 years to the average school teacher. No offense to teachers, but a 20 year career military person has had considerably more training and and a much more arduous life.

oh yeah. i'm in intel now; one of those guys in the civilian world can easily command 150K as a starting salary. more if they are willing to go overseas.
 
How many weeks do the reporters on Fox that you get this info from work? How many vacations per year does Glenn Beck get? How much money does he make? These people are hypocrites to the max.

I'm guessing all the teachers in America fleeced less people than Glenn Beck did with Goldline International.
 
Ive been saying this for years! Teachers are paid TWICE what they are worth!

Let's leave aside the fact that you're arbitrarily adding the cost of benefits to compensation, which is non-standard in both the public and private sectors. Let's leave aside the fact that teachers are not responsible for the cost of the services they receive - insurance companies are: Insurance companies who are vehemently defended by the very people attacking teachers. Just answer this: Why in the name of all that is ludicrous and insane are you singling out school teachers as targets of your public spending angst? Does it infuriate you that someone who actually does something beneficial for society is able to eke out a living? Is it your firm moral belief that every last shred of money in this country must be deposited in the bank accounts of white-collar criminal billionaires or else we are in danger of SOCIALISM?
 
How many weeks do the reporters on Fox that you get this info from work? How many vacations per year does Glenn Beck get? How much money does he make? These people are hypocrites to the max.

What in the heck does Glenn Beck have to with it? Or the reporters on Fox? Please bash them on another thread.

These teachers, by the highest estimates, make $100k per year including fringe benefits. How can you possibly be offended by that? Why are you not making posts about the outrageous CEO salaries across the country?

I think they make plenty. I advocate ratcheting back their bargaining powers. Why would I post about the outrageous CEO salaries across the country? My tax dollars don't pay for those.
 
What in the heck does Glenn Beck have to with it? Or the reporters on Fox? Please bash them on another thread.



I think they make plenty. I advocate ratcheting back their bargaining powers. Why would I post about the outrageous CEO salaries across the country? My tax dollars don't pay for those.

how much do you pay in the schools part of your property taxes?
 
how much do you pay in the schools part of your property taxes?

I hope you will say something besides, "Never mind," after you read this since it took a lot of work to FIND it! ;-)

First, I live in a 920 s.f. 3-bedroom 2-bath home with a one-car garage. No family room. My most recent tax bill (2009, since Illinois pays in arrears) totalled $4,021.66. Here's a breakdown of relevant items:

Grade School: $1220.00
High School: $1100.00
Local College: $ 166.00

Also tells its own story:

My city: $284.00 of which 38% is for city pensions
 
I hope you will say something besides, "Never mind," after you read this since it took a lot of work to FIND it! ;-)

First, I live in a 920 s.f. 3-bedroom 2-bath home with a one-car garage. No family room. My most recent tax bill (2009, since Illinois pays in arrears) totalled $4,021.66. Here's a breakdown of relevant items:

Grade School: $1220.00
High School: $1100.00
Local College: $ 166.00

Also tells its own story:

My city: $284.00 of which 38% is for city pensions

Holy Tax Bill! I've got nearly 3 times that sf and my property tax is $4600.
 
That, my dear, is why I'm so vocal on this subject. ;-)

Well, now I'm pissed off! You took the steam out of my anti-Maryland rhetoric!
 
I hope you will say something besides, "Never mind," after you read this since it took a lot of work to FIND it! ;-)

First, I live in a 920 s.f. 3-bedroom 2-bath home with a one-car garage. No family room. My most recent tax bill (2009, since Illinois pays in arrears) totalled $4,021.66. Here's a breakdown of relevant items:

Grade School: $1220.00
High School: $1100.00
Local College: $ 166.00

Also tells its own story:

My city: $284.00 of which 38% is for city pensions

about twice what I pay in Utah for 4500 sq. ft., 1800 basement, 1800 main, 900 loft....
but Utah gets a lot in income taxes, they pay a flat 5% rate and no deductions.

Arizona has a bit higher than Utah property taxes, but much lower income taxes.

The utah place includes a 1600 sq. ft, steel frame and skin shop, and is taxed as an 'outbuilding' or shed...

time to move?
 
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:rofl -- And Haymarket moves the goalposts yet again. :rofl :rofl

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I show:



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You are quite the hoot, my friend.

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maggie - please go to any school district of your choice... any one of your own choice..... go online and look at the contract between the teachers and the union ... then look in the same contract to see if the supervising administrators are in the same bargaining unit and union.

If you find one, I will treat you to dinner. Promise.
 
If I owe $1000/yr in property taxes and I pay that once a year on one day, I can't "annualize" that and say it's equivalent to $365,000/yr. It's still just $1000/yr. It's already annualized. It's already in it's annual form.

A more appropriate analogy: If you were paying $1,000 in property taxes each year - but the government kicked you out of your property for three months of the year so that you couldn't use it - it would be perfectly reasonable to view the cost as $1,333 for one year of using your property.
 
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maggie - please go to any school district of your choice... any one of your own choice..... go online and look at the contract between the teachers and the union ... then look in the same contract to see if the supervising administrators are in the same bargaining unit and union.

If you find one, I will treat you to dinner. Promise.

Haymarket, you're starting to scare me. You said superintendents don't belong to unions. I show you they do. Then you say, as if I'm somehow wrong, welllllll, they aren't in the same bargaining union. You are disingenuous. Anything to avoid buying a lady dinner.
 
there's plenty. i know that both are true across the broad spectrum of the United States; and so if i wanted to spend an hour or so digging i'm sure i could find you the Perfect Example, or the study that proves, so on and so forth. there are plenty of studies that demonstrate that the amount of money spent per child has little effect (if any) on their test scores past a bare point - no doubt buried in there is the information that would pretty decisively answer the question.

it's just that - unfortunately - you are no longer worth digging it out for. If it was obvious child, who is rude and abusive, but at least logical and debates with evidence, then I might. i just finished a two-poster reply to him.

but you have repeatedly demonstrated that the effort would be wasted on you. you aren't interested in honest debate.

you're a tireless rebutter



so. teachers compensation has gone down over the past few decades? the teachers unions cannot do their jobs?

or is it that you want to claim that America's students scores are improving?



that is actually what i am referencing. oldreliable and i provided a wealth of information for you in that thread, only to have you constantly refuse to respond to it, followed by you moving the goalposts.

So typical of the authoritarian personality who feels they can bully their way to victory.

I see perfectly.
You are right.
You can easily prove your right.
But you will not prove your right.
But the world should know you are still right just the same.
And you still refuse to offer any evidence to prove it.

I can see your frustration. I can understand your frustration. I can sympathize with your frustration. You are used to debating with people who do not always hold your claims and your supposed evidence up and carefully examine it to see if it proves your claim. Sadly, for you... I do just that.

If you claim that teacher unions buy and sell Board of Education so that they sit on the same side with the Board negotiaters and get sweetheart deals... I want to see just that.
Its not enough to claim that teachers vote. No argument there.
Its not enough to claim that teachers unions endorse candidates. No argument there.
Its not enough to claim that teachers unions contribute to the campaigns of endorsed candidates. No argument there.

I want to see the sweetheart deal that was negotiated between Union negotiators and their toadies negotiating for the board. If you cannot provide that, you have nothing more than Americans exercising their Constitutional rights.

That seems to really get under your skin that i would ask you to prove the position that you support and chime in with support when others voice it also.

Just like this in this thread. You made a boast, I asked you for evidence and you failed to give any because you know whats coming. You know that what you will present will fall far short of actually delivering on your boast and claim. You probably went back and read your boast and figured that you again stepped into it and cannot possibly get out of it clean.
 
Amen.....$100,000 for subprime union slob teachers....who give our children a subprime education..... all paid for by the average taxpayer making around $40,000.......

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An education is not given, it is taken. If you didn't get one, too bad for you. Did you not see the line?
 
Haymarket, you're starting to scare me. You said superintendents don't belong to unions. I show you they do. Then you say, as if I'm somehow wrong, welllllll, they aren't in the same bargaining union. You are disingenuous. Anything to avoid buying a lady dinner.

I had never heard of this group. I went to the website and notice that they have but 20,000 members nationwide. I imagine that is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of school administrators in America. I also notice they describe themselves as a "professional organization". But I defer to you finding a union of administrators. You are right that there is one and I was wrong in saying that they are not unionized.

I would add the caveat that unless the administrators and the teachers belong to the same union, there is no conflict of interest in the administrators carrying out their supervising duties over teachers so my point on this issue has not changed.
 
I had never heard of this group. I went to the website and notice that they have but 20,000 members nationwide. I imagine that is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of school administrators in America. I also notice they describe themselves as a "professional organization". But I defer to you finding a union of administrators. You are right that there is one and I was wrong in saying that they are not unionized.

I would add the caveat that unless the administrators and the teachers belong to the same union, there is no conflict of interest in the administrators carrying out their supervising duties over teachers so my point on this issue has not changed.

You almost got a thanks. ;-) No conflict of interest?? My lily white...
 
An education is not given, it is taken. If you didn't get one, too bad for you. Did you not see the line?

In our government run education system to nowhere........

...........every child is entitled to a subprime education.........and the Teachers Union delivers.
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