Rich-Poor gap widening

haymarket said:

Still repeating that same LIE that there are such things as death taxes. Even after you yourself admitted that they were Estate Taxes and used your own state of Ohio as evidence.

But maybe you have found some Death Taxes in the law in the last week? We eagerly await the verifiable and objective evidence of that discovery.

In the absence of it, its just another right wing term designed to pervert the true meaning of another term for ideological purposes.

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your silly rantings about the death tax are just pathetic

You love confiscatory taxes on the wealthy and you wet your panties when people call them death taxes because that tells the truth about that abomination that the envious parasites and the ne'er do wells love to slake their hurt over not having prosperous parents

it is a death tax and it kicks in when you DIE. and its an unfair and loathsome cancer that survives only because there are far more many people like you than there are those punished by such a scheme

The IRS called the Ohio taxes DEATH Taxes so your claims about my 'admissions' like most of your comments about me is a LIE

At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

everyone's on the conservative side of this, the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts for the rich

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Far from everyone is on board with this idea. I seem to remember that many democrats were very opposed to the tax deal. In fact, the msnbc article quotes Clinton as saying "I personally believe this is a good deal and the best he could have gotten under the circumstances." That's because the deal was a compromise.

Is it really so hard to believe that if the democrats had retained control of the house in 2010, the Bush tax cuts would have ended? The president did the politically expedient thing and pushed it off till 2012, where he will make the case that the deficit cannot be cured by spending cuts alone, but also requires higher taxes.

TurtleDude said:

making business costs too high is what causes that

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... and how does that happen? I am a small business owner in a regulated business. I don't feel the "man" is holding me down (though I am one of the few people that would really benefit from higher interest rates)

TurtleDude said:

making business costs too high is what causes that

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This would be a good argument if companies didn't have higher and higher profits as their main interest and purpose. Hell - they share board members with competing companies to make sure they keep their oligopoly market leveled out.

The drive for going overseas = maintaining a higher profit margin and higher personal cut.
The drive for increasing the cost of products collectively = to maintian a higher profit margin and a higher personal cut.

On and on. blah blah blah.

The business of business is business.

And you can't come back at this like I'm making it up - it's Smith economics, that IS 'capitalism' - self indulgent greed for profit and in the process people's needs and wants (product wise) will be met and employment will be seen (where they choose to root and employ).

But - there is such a thing as detrimental.
Unsustainable.
And Obese with the lard of self indulgence.

The auto-industry is a fine example of this: their only solution to their continually failing practices is to encourage people to buy more cars that they don't need. And when people start to wisely spend and manage their money - these over inflated companies crumble.

How can a billion-dollar profit company fail to the point of 'needing' government handouts is beyond me - Obviously there's no one at the wheel who knows how to maange money. They might as well be homeless with a winning lottery ticket and no money management skills.

what is the purpose of a corporation

to give YOU a job

or to make the owners money

reality conflicts with leftwingers utopian unreality

and if you lefties want jobs you best chill on doing stuff that causes corporations to leave our shores

pluck the golden goose and it flies away

no gold egg to fund your government entitlements

TurtleDude said:

what is the purpose of a corporation

to give YOU a job

or to make the owners money

reality conflicts with leftwingers utopian unreality

and if you lefties want jobs you best chill on doing stuff that causes corporations to leave our shores

pluck the golden goose and it flies away

no gold egg to fund your government entitlements

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I feel that you should have put " to make money" on the top of your list. Not to give you a job.

I am as left as it gets and am pissed that our jobs have left our shores. I always have been and always will be. So how about you take that paintbrush and stop painting such broad strokes? I am sure you can do it.

Boo Radley said:

I'm not sure my claim is the affirmative claim. I think those who say we no longer have a work ethic would have to present the evidence. I think that is how it works.

However, here's how one young person responded to the claim:

Debunking The Millennials' Work Ethic "Problem"

Debunking The Millennials' Work Ethic "Problem" - Erica Williams - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review

But I would argue the past always looks better than it was, and people have alwys criticised the present. This is not new. But it is much harder to prove than it is to jump on that bandwagon. Our business in this country goes on everyday, just as it always has. Most people work, and hold jobs. Some work more than one job. For every story you can tell me of someone being lazy, I can give you two of someone beating odds, workingn hard and overachieving. It's just, as it has always been, more popular to see the class half empty of not completely dry.

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I read it. There's nothing substantial, only conjecture. Try again to find some real data.

Kali said:

I feel that you should have put " to make money" on the top of your list. Not to give you a job.

I am as left as it gets and am pissed that our jobs have left our shores. I always have been and always will be. So how about you take that paintbrush and stop painting such broad strokes? I am sure you can do it.

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if you don't have silly utopian unreality then my comments didn't apply to you

At one time a man with a regular job could work and support a family because his taxes were low. In the late 1940's only about 10% of his income was sent to the government. Today it is almost impossible for a regular working man to support a family because he has to work almost half the year for the government and the remainder for his family.

It naturally follows that because of the high cost of government the working class is going to suffer, and their incomes shrink.

Instead of making "the rich" pay more taxes people should encourage less government spending. That would put more money in the pockets of the people and the middle class will be more able to recover. But with government spending trillions of dollars each year someone is going to have to pay, and its the rich who have the tax lawyers, not the working class.

The simple fact of the matter is that government has become far too expensive, and people just can't afford it, rich and poor. What happens when the rich are no longer there to foot the bills?

Grant said:

At one time a man with a regular job could work and support a family because his taxes were low. In the late 1940's only about 10% of his income was sent to the government. Today it is almost impossible for a regular working man to support a family because he has to work almost half the year for the government and the remainder for his family.

It naturally follows that because of the high cost of government the working class is going to suffer, and their incomes shrink.

Instead of making "the rich" pay more taxes people should encourage less government spending. That would put more money in the pockets of the people and the middle class will be more able to recover. But with government spending trillions of dollars each year someone is going to have to pay, and its the rich who have the tax lawyers, not the working class.

The simple fact of the matter is that government has become far too expensive, and people just can't afford it, rich and poor. What happens when the rich are no longer there to foot the bills?

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those who hate the rich or realize bashing the rich is a viable political strategy won't answer that question

nor will they deal with the fact that current system encourages politicians to pander to the many with promses of more (Vote buying) spending paid for by a minority of the voters

the only way to stop the masses from demanding more spending is to make the masses feel pain everytime more spending happens

there is no denying that the current system-where 5% pay more taxes than the other 95% encourages that 95% to vote for more spenders

TurtleDude said:

if you don't have silly utopian unreality then my comments didn't apply to you

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Blah! That is my new fav word And you ignored the meat of my post. Carry on.

It's the Inequality, Stupid | Mother Jones

says it all.. quite terrible.

Im going to give away the secret to financial success. I could write a book and sell it...but...no...in my benevolence...Im going to give it away.

Hard work. Have a plan. Bust your butt to achieve the goal. Dont expect it to happen overnight. Dont expect anyone to give it to you. Mommy shouldnt be there to wipe your ass for you when you are 40. Dont expect others to provide for you.

When you are in high school, study. Have an objective in mind. Learn. If you can afford it and have it as an option and are willing to forego family, then when you graduate from high school, go to college with a career goal and be willing to put in the work to achieve that goal. Take out student loans if necessary, work part time jobs to help pay for your education as you go, and apply for scholarships...you would be amazed at what is out there. Dont use high school and college as a substance and hormone driven humpfest. Grow up. Be responsible. If you cant afford college join the military or find a job that will offer a retirement and college tuition reimbursement. Bust your hump. Be willing to work two or three jobs from the age 20-40 so that you can enjoy successfrom 40-90 and provide for a better life and opportunities for your kids. Dont be afraid or embarassed to work at Burger King, 7-11, Taco Bell, or Servicemaster as a grown man. Decide what you want to be when you grow up and by-damn achieve it.

Hard work. Dont be a whiny bitch because other people have succeeded. Believe me...no one cares. A lot of people say they do...they dont.

Oh...hey...another option...join a union. There are lots of half-witted dip****s that joined unions and managed to stay employed with pretty decent benefits. For info on joining a union, send a PM to Haymarket.

The Income Gap

On one side you have $0.00......and you will always have $0.00.....thanks to lazy liberal slobbery. On the other side, the sky is the limit, until Democrats institute their Maximum Wage.

If you want everyone as close to $0.00 as possible......vote Liberal

If you want everyone as far away from $0.00 as possible....vote Conservative

If you want the economic pie to grow.....for prosperity to flourish.....you want an income gap the size of the Grand Canyon...and growing.
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Aunt Spiker said:

Every single freaking Liberal could vote Conservative and it wouldn't change their lack of wealth at all.

People who are wealthy tend to vote in favor of measures that will CONTINUE to preserve their wealth.

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Voting democrat and being a liberal are two different things. Most poor people who vote democrat actually hold conservative values.


As for the topic, a plant can't keep growing when it's roots are not being nourished. I guess the poor in America has not suffered enough yet, when they do, all hell will break loose. Trickle down economics was a scam from the beginning.

Aunt Spiker said:

We just ended our chapter of this 'wealth/poor gap' in my Social Problems class - Professor Petray said "The rich keep getting more wealthier and the poor keep getting more children"

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At least the poor are winning the class war from a Darwinian perspective.

Guy Incognito said:

At least the poor are winning the class war from a Darwinian perspective.

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Only because the wealthy and middle income folks continue to subsidize them.

VanceMack said:

Only because the wealthy and middle income folks continue to subsidize them.

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You've got it backwards, my friend. Partially, anyway. It's the poor and middle income who subsidize the wealthy.

Unless you're trying to argue that the upper 1% of the world's income earners earned 99% of the world's wealth (which is absurd) then there is no other conclusion to reach.

Guy Incognito said:

You've got it backwards, my friend. Partially, anyway. It's the poor and middle income who subsidize the wealthy.

Unless you're trying to argue that the upper 1% of the world's income earners earned 99% of the world's wealth (which is absurd) then there is no other conclusion to reach.

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Oh no...I dont think so. The numbers continue to climb on the enumployed and welfare rolls. The poor (as YOU pointed out, continue to breed like rabbits, enabled by the wealthy and middle income folks that pay for their services. Sort of counter-evolutionary.

But...yeah...sure...go on believing that the 'poor' are subsidizing the wealthy by being a drain on society and NOT being effective consumers.

VanceMack said:

Oh no...I dont think so. The numbers continue to climb on the enumployed and welfare rolls. The poor (as YOU pointed out, continue to breed like rabbits, enabled by the wealthy and middle income folks that pay for their services. Sort of counter-evolutionary.

But...yeah...sure...go on believing that the 'poor' are subsidizing the wealthy by being a drain on society and NOT being effective consumers.

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Why do you assume that all poor people are smelly, lazy leeches who reproduce by the month? Stop with the projections please. That's just as dumb as the assumption that all rich people are evil and greedy.

TurtleDude said:

if you don't have silly utopian unreality then my comments didn't apply to you

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They didnt apply to many at all really.

Our countries **** education system is a big reason for this.

Animus said:

Why do you assume that all poor people are smelly, lazy leeches who reproduce by the month? Stop with the projections please. That's just as dumb as the assumption that all rich people are evil and greedy.

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I dont presume ALL to be that way. And my preferred description is crippled dependent pets...Im sure you will like that better. I dont lump them ALL together. I believe there is a world of difference between those that truly CANT and those that lay on their backs and piss themselves while they expect the world to take care of them. There are some that truly need a hand-up while there are many more who whine and expect a hand out. Me...Im repulsed by the hand-out set...those that can do for themselves but wont. It frankly pisses me off seeing them on a daily basis and knowing that they continue to drain away resources from those that are truly in need of help. I find it only mildly less annoying that so many peope rush to enable the poor dears and by doing so keep them crippled.

TurtleDude said:

what is the purpose of a corporation

to give YOU a job

or to make the owners money

reality conflicts with leftwingers utopian unreality

and if you lefties want jobs you best chill on doing stuff that causes corporations to leave our shores

pluck the golden goose and it flies away

no gold egg to fund your government entitlements

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Jobs and money?

Nevermind the PRODUCT or SERVICE they provide for a cost to the masses?

THAT should be the base focus and concern for a corporation - when they lose sight of that as key importance then they fall apart. . . as we've seen in the last few decades.