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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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haymarket said:
President Obama commenting on events around the USA has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ability of different states to pass laws under our system of federalism. You are linking two things that are linked only in your mind by your blind hatred of both unions and President Obama.
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Right, the President with the bully pulpit is nothing more than common citizen commenting on state activities. LOL, now that is funny. This is about collective bargaining for public unions whether or not state or federal employees. What your posts show is actual partisan opinions based upon nothing other than what you feel.
 
TurtleDude said:
because it isn't their money-its the taxpayers money
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Oh I see....so if you are a state employee than the government should be able to dictate every expense you make...afterall....even though they earned it, its not "Their money"...its the "taxpayers money". So I assume then you would oppose state workers purchasing beer with their paychecks, because you wouldn't want taxpayer money spent on beer, right?
 
disneydude said:
Oh I see....so if you are a state employee than the government should be able to dictate every expense you make...afterall....even though they earned it, its not "Their money"...its the "taxpayers money". So I assume then you would oppose state workers purchasing beer with their paychecks, because you wouldn't want taxpayer money spent on beer, right?
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LOL, you are kidding, right, where are wages being taken away by Walker? Who pays for the state union employees healthcare, pensions and other benefits in Wisconsin?
 
Conservative said:
Good, bring it on. You have four years to campaign on that issue in Wisconsin.
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Four years? You wish! The election campaign for President is about to begin. And this attempt at a corporate takeover of Wisconsin is going to be fresh in people's mind.
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, you are kidding, right, where are wages being taken away by Walker? Who pays for the state union employees healthcare, pensions and other benefits in Wisconsin?
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Your response isn't even close to being on point to the conversation b/w Turtledude and myself. Did you just see my name and decide to post something completely unrelated to the response...or what that done on error?

BTW....like most employees, state union employees pay a portion and their employer pays a portion.
 
Catawba said:
Nope, Walker never campaigned on ending collective bargaining. He is going against what his people want. That is why you are seeing the largest protest in his state since the Vietnam War, and why all the polls are against Walker's attempt to end collective bargaining.

Should make for a very interesting election in 2012. The timing couldn't have been better for the Walker and the Koch brothers to attempt their hostile corporate takeover of the state of Wisconsin. It will be a showcase for the country during the campaign. :sun
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It's not just Wisconsin. The bright light of knowledge and truth about public-sector pensions and bennies is shining in other states as well:

AS RESISTANCE to public-sector unionism has intensified, many of the noisiest confrontations have been on the coasts.

In New Jersey, freshman Governor Chris Christie has been locked a battle royale with his state's powerful teachers unions. In California, Oakland's new mayor began her first full day in office by demanding that unionized police officers, who pay nothing toward their pensions, be required to contribute 9 percent of their salaries. In New York, federal prosecutors have opened a criminal investigation into whether Sanitation Department workers purposely paralyzed the city with a work slowdown during last month's blizzard. In Massachusetts, Governor Deval Patrick infuriated public-safety unions by replacing costly police details with civilian flaggers at many construction and repair sites.
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Two Republican governors -- Mitch Daniels in Indiana and Matt Blunt in Missouri -- issued executive orders rolling back collective-bargaining rights for state workers. Because public-sector unions in those states had been granted the right to bargain collectively through executive orders in the first place, Daniels and Blunt had only to rescind their predecessors' actions.
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The genie is out of the bottle.
 
disneydude said:
Oh I see....so if you are a state employee than the government should be able to dictate every expense you make...afterall....even though they earned it, its not "Their money"...its the "taxpayers money". So I assume then you would oppose state workers purchasing beer with their paychecks, because you wouldn't want taxpayer money spent on beer, right?
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Not to mention, gasp…donating to a certain political party.:shock:
 
Catawba said:
Four years? You wish! The election campaign for President is about to begin. And this attempt at a corporate takeover of Wisconsin is going to fresh in people's mind.
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Aw, but this is about Federalism, just ask haymarket. You have yet to explain why state employees are entitled collective bargaining rights for benefits when the people that pay their salaries have no bargaining power over those unions other than the vote. Once the truth gets out, the 11.9% of the work force that is unionized most of which are public employees the public will wise up and actually take it out on the unions. All looks well for 2012
 
disneydude said:
Your response isn't even close to being on point to the conversation b/w Turtledude and myself. Did you just see my name and decide to post something completely unrelated to the response...or what that done on error?

BTW....like most employees, state union employees pay a portion and their employer pays a portion.
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You don't know what is going on in Wisconsin but act like an expert. Do some research and stop being foolish.
 
MaggieD said:
The genie is out of the bottle.
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And the timing couldn't have been more perfect to highlight which party supports corporate control of America. :sun
 
Conservative said:
I am convinced that you have sold your employer, a state representative, the value of being in political forums to guage the attitude of people. Hopefully your employer isn't monitoring your posts because he wouldn't take positively your defense of state public union collective bargaining while ignoring the plight of Federal Union employees. Doubt that your employer if monitoring your posts would allow you to continue.
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First, everybody gets a lunch hour and occassional breaks.
Second, this job is bursts of frentic activity coupled with lots of waiting in committee rooms, legislative breaks and waiting for lobbyists to show up for meetings. You do know what an ipad is right? But your concern for my employer and the taxpayers is touching. Thank you.

If you really care, the State Rep I work for has got a real laugh out of some of the posts here. You provide us a smile now and then.
 
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Catawba said:
And the timing couldn't have been more perfect to highlight which party supports corporate control of America. :sun
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corporate=private sector
public=taxpayer

You don't seem to understand the difference.
 
haymarket said:
First, everybody gets a lunch hour and occassional breaks.
Second, this job is bursts of frentic activity coupled with lots of waiting in committee rooms, legislative breaks and waiting for lobbyists to show up for meetings. You do know what an ipad is right? But your concern for my employer and the taxpayers is touching. Thank you.

If you really care, the State Rep I work for has got a real laugh out of some of the posts here. You provide us a smile now and then.
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Glad to help, maybe you should ask him/her for a coherent response that offers facts. It might create credibility if he/she is interested in credibility. Apparently many Democrats aren't.
 
Catawba said:
And the timing couldn't have been more perfect to highlight which party supports corporate control of America. :sun
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This has nothing to do with corporate control of America. It has to do with whether or not taxpayers are going to continue to be controlled by public-sector unions.
 
Conservative said:
Glad to help, maybe you should ask him/her for a coherent response that offers facts. It might create credibility if he/she is interested in credibility. Apparently many Democrats aren't.
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Now you have totally lost me with that. I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
disneydude said:
like most employees, state union employees pay a portion and their employer pays a portion.
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yup

and the portion state employees will be paying in is gonna go up DRASTICALLY

sorry
 
haymarket said:
Now you have totally lost me with that. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Then obviously your employer isn't that smart if he/she believes your posts are coherent and full of facts. You don't seem to even know what the dispute is all about in Wisconsin. Hint: wages aren't an issue
 
Conservative said:
You don't seem to understand the difference.
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I understand the difference perfectly the difference between corporate control and control by the people, its the difference between fascism and freedom.
 
Catawba said:
I understand the difference perfectly the difference between corporate control and control by the people, its the difference between fascism and freedom.
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What corporate control? What percentage of the work force is corporations? We know that unions make up 11.9% so check the numbers on corporations. You are going to be shocked.

Corporations=job creation, both corporate and personal income taxes, charitable giving, corporate citizenship, individual development and marketability, not funded by taxpayers. Want me to go on?

Compare that to the pubic employees and unions.
 
MaggieD said:
This has nothing to do with corporate control of America. It has to do with whether or not taxpayers are going to continue to be controlled by public-sector unions.
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So they don't have to pay teachers the those fantastic salaries of $51,000 a year so they can lord their 93 Chevy over us! Let's give more tax cuts to the wealthy instead!

Great campaign platform you have there! :sun
 
Catawba said:
So they don't have to pay teachers the those fantastic salaries of $51,000 a year so they can lord their 93 Chevy over us! Let's give more tax cuts to the wealthy instead!

Great campaign platform you have there! :sun
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Tax cuts to the wealthy means the individual keeps MORE OF WHAT THEY EARNED! You seem to think you are an expert on what to pay someone else that isn't employed by you. What the teachers are paid is subject to what the Board of Education in their district decides and what the taxpayer is willing to fund.
 
Conservative said:
What corporate control?
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The corporate control that enables a corporation to fund the campaign of the person to bust the unions, removing the last line of defense against them, and balancing the tax cuts to the wealthy by taking away from the middle class.
 
yup

it's about TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of public TRUST---betrayed

outta luck---the employers, the employees, the taxpayers, the consumers, their families, their future unborn...

the buyers and sellers of MUNICIPAL BONDS

outta luck are ALL AMERICANS

not the good half, not the evil half, not the angels, not the haters, but ALL AMERICANS

TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION dollars---deal with THAT

spin, anyone?
 
Catawba said:
The corporate control that enables a corporation to fund the campaign of the person to bust the unions, removing the last line of defense against them, and balancing the tax cuts to the wealthy by taking away from the middle class.
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How much corporate control was exerted in Wisconsin in the November 2, 2010 elections? I am still waiting for a response from you as to what the "fair" taxes should be those evil rich people?
 
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