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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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There is little surprise in that finding. The rich elitists want to make sure the common working man has no power to challenge them or their political toadies. The saving grace is that even amont the top bracket it is only a tiny amount (+3%) in favor of ending collective bargaining. So maybe there is hope.
 
haymarket said:
There is little surprise in that finding. The rich elitists want to make sure the common working man has no power to challenge them or their political toadies. The saving grace is that even amont the top bracket it is only a tiny amount (+3%) in favor of ending collective bargaining. So maybe there is hope.
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It is indeed heartening to see the working class finally begin to fight back against the class war that has been waged against them! :sun
 
haymarket said:
There is little surprise in that finding. The rich elitists want to make sure the common working man has no power to challenge them or their political toadies. The saving grace is that even amont the top bracket it is only a tiny amount (+3%) in favor of ending collective bargaining. So maybe there is hope.
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Yes. Indiana governor Mitch Daniels called public workers, "the priveleged elite". So someone who is worth $15 million tells someone who makes about $48,000/year "the priveleged elite".

Orwell would be having a heyday with this.

Edited: I also looked it up: Daniels makes $95,000 / year and Walker makes $137,000. I wonder if Governors collectively bargain for their salaries?
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
Yes. Indiana governor Mitch Daniels called public workers, "the priveleged elite". So someone who is worth $15 million tells someone who makes about $48,000/year "the priveleged elite".

Orwell would be having a heyday with this.

Edited: I also looked it up: Daniels makes $95,000 / year and Walker makes $137,000. I wonder if Governors collectively bargain for their salaries?
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Not quite. He called unions the privileged elite. The Governor of Indiana makes $95,000 a year? Walker makes $137,000? We have retired teachers in Illinois making that and more. Have a look. Illinois Pension Database :: News :: PIONEER PRESS :: Evanston Review

District 214 (what I set the search for) is in a town called Elk Grove Village, Illinois. Median household income $62,000 Elk Grove Village, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Average salary for jobs in Elk Grove $42,000.

Cry me a freakin' river.
 
haymarket said:
There is little surprise in that finding. The rich elitists want to make sure the common working man has no power to challenge them or their political toadies. The saving grace is that even amont the top bracket it is only a tiny amount (+3%) in favor of ending collective bargaining. So maybe there is hope.
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Hope for what, continued screwing of the taxpayers? that is a taxpayer responsibility to decide and they did in Nov. Guess you missed the 2010 elections.
 
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The Understory » BREAKING: Wisconsin Police Have Joined Protest Inside State Capitol


“Hundreds of cops have just marched into the Wisconsin state capitol building to protest the anti-Union bill, to massive applause. They now join up to 600 people who are inside.”

Ryan reported on his Facebook page earlier today:

“Police have just announced to the crowds inside the occupied State Capitol of Wisconsin: ‘We have been ordered by the legislature to kick you all out at 4:00 today. But we know what’s right from wrong. We will not be kicking anyone out, in fact, we will be sleeping here with you!’ Unreal.”

You can find more updates from Ryan Harvey on Twitter @ryanharveysongs and his blog Even If Your Voice Shakes.

UPDATE: This video says it all. It makes me proud of my neighbors. “Let me tell you Mr. Walker, this is not your house, this is all our house.”
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Walker has awakened a sleeping giant.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Yes. Indiana governor Mitch Daniels called public workers, "the priveleged elite". So someone who is worth $15 million tells someone who makes about $48,000/year "the priveleged elite".

Orwell would be having a heyday with this.

Edited: I also looked it up: Daniels makes $95,000 / year and Walker makes $137,000. I wonder if Governors collectively bargain for their salaries?
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Apparently elections only have consequences when liberals win. Walker told the public what he was going to do and did it. Liberals don't like it so they do what they always do, run.
 
MaggieD said:
Not quite. He called unions the privileged elite. The Governor of Indiana makes $95,000 a year? Walker makes $137,000? We have retired teachers in Illinois making that and more. Have a look. Illinois Pension Database :: News :: PIONEER PRESS :: Evanston Review

District 214 (what I set the search for) is in a town called Elk Grove Village, Illinois. Median household income $62,000 Elk Grove Village, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Average salary for jobs in Elk Grove $42,000.

Cry me a freakin' river.
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Interesting. And what are the pensions for elected officials in Illinois? Just curious.

My point is I think it's shameful for people like Walker and Daniels claim their employees have to sacrifice, while they do not.

I also think it's sad that, instead of people demanding more from their employers (what state government workers receive USED to be what private sectors employees got), they want to make sure others have as crappy benefits as they do.

"We have fewer rights! You should to!"

And this isn't about the budget at all. It's been said over and over again, that the contribution changes and the wage freezes would be acceptable; the only thing they ask is that the right to collective bargaining not be stripped from them.

Walker could solve this quickly. But he won't. Why? Because it's not about budgets at all; it's solely about stripping workers' rights (and selling public utilities off to his rich friends at prices he deems fit - because he has to pay back his masters).

This is an assault on all working people.
 
Conservative said:
Apparently elections only have consequences when liberals win. Walker told the public what he was going to do and did it. Liberals don't like it so they do what they always do, run.
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Just like Indiana Republicans ran in 2004.

GOP boycott halts House Gay marriage vote sought

It was "patriotic" when they did it. Now, it's "un-democratic".

And - obviously, the rich don't need to sacrifice. Walker the Senate Republicans didn't cut their own pay, right? They only want their workers to sacrifice.

That's the Republican way.
 
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Just like Indiana Republicans ran in 2004.

GOP boycott halts House Gay marriage vote sought

It was "patriotic" when they did it. Now, it's "un-democratic".

And - obviously, the rich don't need to sacrifice. Walker the Senate Republicans didn't cut their own pay, right? They only want their workers to sacrifice.

That's the Republican way.
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So the Republicans fleed the state to keep from voting on gay marriage? Don't think so, they just didn't show up. If they did they were wrong but gay marriage isn't the same as the state budget crisis. What do the people of Indiana think about gay marriage? Think the will of the people will be served by a legislature passing gay marriage? Notice you ran from the statement I made about Walker telling the people exactly what he was going to do and now he is doing it.
 
Conservative said:
So the Republicans fleed the state to keep from voting on gay marriage? Don't think so, they just didn't show up. If they did they were wrong but gay marriage isn't the same as the state budget crisis. What do the people of Indiana think about gay marriage? Think the will of the people will be served by a legislature passing gay marriage? Notice you ran from the statement I made about Walker telling the people exactly what he was going to do and now he is doing it.
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He did say he would change contribution rates and reform pensions. No where on his website does it say he would take away workers' right to collective bargaining.

Nor does it say he would sell off public utilities to private industries with no-bid contracts at whatever price he sees fit.

So pardon people if they're a little surprised when he is trying to destroy workers' rights and give away government property to his funders.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Edited: I also looked it up: Daniels makes $95,000 / year and Walker makes $137,000.
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And that doesn't include the benefits and perks.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
He did say he would change contribution rates and reform pensions. No where on his website does it say he would take away workers' right to collective bargaining.

Nor does it say he would sell off public utilities to private industries with no-bid contracts at whatever price he sees fit.

So pardon people if they're a little surprised when he is trying to destroy workers' rights and give away government property to his funders.
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I don't think public unions should have the right to collective bargaining, a right limited at the Federal level. FDR got it right when he didn't support collective bargaining for public unions. I support Walker 100% but since I am not in Wisconsin and neither are you it really doesn't matter what we think.
 
Conservative said:
So the Republicans fleed the state to keep from voting on gay marriage? Don't think so, they just didn't show up. If they did they were wrong but gay marriage isn't the same as the state budget crisis. What do the people of Indiana think about gay marriage? Think the will of the people will be served by a legislature passing gay marriage? Notice you ran from the statement I made about Walker telling the people exactly what he was going to do and now he is doing it.
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WTF "crisis" are you talking about? If Walker had not gave away tax breaks to his buddies then there would have been "no crisis." As Walker admitted when he got punked, it wasn't about the budget, it was about busting unions with Wisconsin being the first domino. He didn't mention that in his campaign, but he sure as hell doesn't mind agreeing with David Koch, his biggest contributor, about it.
 
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Conservative said:
I don't think public unions should have the right to collective bargaining, a right limited at the Federal level. FDR got it right when he didn't support collective bargaining for public unions. I support Walker 100% but since I am not in Wisconsin and neither are you it really doesn't matter what we think.
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Sure it does. This is a national effort to repeal the 20th century. It will hit all of us sooner or later. We can be like the various Native American tribes and allow it to happen one at a time and end up defeated or we can unite and fight this together. We all hang together or we all hang separately.

btw - FDR has been dead for a really long time now. He took other positions that have since been eclipsed by the changes in America.
 
Catawba said:
WTF "crisis" are you talking about? If Walker had not gave away tax breaks to his buddies then there would have been "no crisis." As Walker admitted when he got punked, it wasn't about the budget, it was about busting unions with Wisconsin being the first domino. He didn't mention that in his campaign, but he sure as hell doesn't mind agreeing with David Koch, his biggest contributor, about it.
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You really don't have a clue how to create jobs. You look at the tax cuts to lure companies and ignore the people those companies hire that pay taxes. you don't have a lot of credibility on any issue as you run when confronted. Just like tax cuts to you cause deficits and not spending. You see tax cuts doing nothing for the economy and history proves you wrong. Walker is trying to lure people back to the states, think raising taxes to fund public unions will do that?
 
haymarket said:
Sure it does. This is a national effort to repeal the 20th century. It will hit all of us sooner or later. We can be like the various Native American tribes and allow it to happen one at a time and end up defeated or we can unite and fight this together. We all hang together or we all hang separately.

btw - FDR has been dead for a really long time now. He took other positions that have since been eclipsed by the changes in America.
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There is a reason the rust belt is losing jobs to the south. Run them all down here, great! You keep running from FDR's words, don't blame you. Don't see you running away from FDR's programs which by your logic are outdated as well.
 
Conservative said:
I don't think public unions should have the right to collective bargaining, a right limited at the Federal level. FDR got it right when he didn't support collective bargaining for public unions. I support Walker 100% but since I am not in Wisconsin and neither are you it really doesn't matter what we think.
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I suppose since you agree with FDR on this, you agree with with every else he said, right? Healthcare is a right, living wage, etc. etc. ???
 
pbrauer said:
I suppose since you agree with FDR on this, you agree with with every else he said, right? Healthcare is a right, living wage, etc. etc. ???
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Very little that I agree with regarding any politician, that is life. On the public union issue he was absolutely correct
 
pbrauer said:
I suppose since you agree with FDR on this, you agree with with every else he said, right? Healthcare is a right, living wage, etc. etc. ???
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I think Conservative was arguing that even someone as pro-union as FDR understood the inevitable problems that come with allowing public unions. It isn't so much about what he thinks of FDR as much as FDR, arguably the most pro-union president the US has ever had, identifying that unions have no place in the public sector.
 
Catawba said:
Why???????????? Did you have a bad experience with a teacher Ptif? Why do you feel they should be paid less than someone else with a comparable education?
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It is not the education but what others make for the same job. You want to distort to justify the overpayment of government employees
 
randel said:
are you demonizing having an education? isnt that what we as Americans have preached to our children since the inception of this country? 'go to school, make something of yourself, be better than your parents, make more money, have a better life'???? seriously?????? sounds like you are jealous. with grading papers, lesson planning, and continuing education, teachers on average work more than 9 months.
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No they don't. You think they put in more hours a day then say a truck driver? The school year is 9 months the hours is not relevant
 
Catawba said:
Libertarians also wish to end corporate welfare and our military imperialism around the globe. You okay with that too?
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Not just corporate welfare but all subsidies
 
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Conservative said:
Very little that I agree with regarding any politician, that is life. On the public union issue he was absolutely correct
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That's your opinion, but everything he said fits into the mix which was FDR. You can't just take one issue out unless you know how they affect his total thought and apply them to the president. But, of course the only reason FDR's opinion on this issue to conservatives, is because he is a liberal icon. That's all. To be fair, liberals do the same thing. Ronald Reagan supported Social Security. :2razz:
 
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