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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Again show me less educated people making $75,000 for 9 months of work

Why would you compare what less educated people make with what teachers make? Wisconsin teachers contract for 192 work days per year. Their salary is for that period. And, don't forget about their continuing education requirements.
 
Everything since the unions can't force you to pay them which means less money for them to use against the conservative politicians

Get back to me when you gen up enough brainpower to make a post that makes even a tiny bit of sense. :2wave:
 
Why would you compare what less educated people make with what teachers make? Wisconsin teachers contract for 192 work days per year. Their salary is for that period. And, don't forget about their continuing education requirements.

So then you can not show less educated people making that. I knew you could not
 
So then you can not show less educated people making that. I knew you could not

As usual my question to you is:

what the hell are you talking about?

I think you and I would be friends in real life though. You seem like a fun dude.
 
So then you can not show less educated people making that. I knew you could not

I've already posted Census data that shows that teachers (including their benefits) make slightly less than private sector people with comparable education. Naturally those with a less education make a little less.
 
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I've already posted Census data that shows that teachers (including their benefits) make slightly less than private sector people with comparable education. Naturally those with a less education make a little less.

Show that in the same career field.
 
As usual my question to you is:

what the hell are you talking about?

I think you and I would be friends in real life though. You seem like a fun dude.

Read the posts. They were talking about people with less education making more money than teachers. Yet when called on it they can not show it
 
Show that in the same career field.


Why???????????? Did you have a bad experience with a teacher Ptif? Why do you feel they should be paid less than someone else with a comparable education?
 
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Why would you compare what less educated people make with what teachers make? Wisconsin teachers contract for 192 work days per year. Their salary is for that period. And, don't forget about their continuing education requirements.

It has to do with intellectual honesty.
 
Show me the people in the private sector with only a high school diploma making $75,000 for 9 months of work
are you demonizing having an education? isnt that what we as Americans have preached to our children since the inception of this country? 'go to school, make something of yourself, be better than your parents, make more money, have a better life'???? seriously?????? sounds like you are jealous. with grading papers, lesson planning, and continuing education, teachers on average work more than 9 months.
 
Ok. So if the dems were to fold, what do you propose be put in their place?

hopefully the libertarians

that should be the real choice

republicans and libertarians

welfare socialism should be eradicated
 
hopefully the libertarians

that should be the real choice

republicans and libertarians

welfare socialism should be eradicated

Libertarians attract less than one-half of one percent of the popular vote for President. Even the libertarian pin-up boys who make the hearts of the libertarians go pitter-patter with fervor - the Pauls - know that they could not get elected to anything running n the Libertarian party label. So these brave 'libertarians' run as republicans.

What you are fantasizing about is simply the McCoys versus the Hatfields with anyone outside of that unique mountain lifestyle left with nobody to represent them or advocate for them. It would be a level of Dante's Hell and makes no real practical sense at all.

teaching attracts the lower and lowest ranked HS students entering college.

And where is your authoritative data to support this claim? As always, its Missing In Action s you expect your biased opinion to be accepted as gospel.

Your 'view' is yet another wonderful example of the anti-teacher prejudice that is spread through these threads like a rotting disease through a leper. Some of the smartest people I have ever met have been some of my fellow teachers. They had the intelligence to be anything they wanted to be and education and serving children was their first choice. On the other hand, in my job in the state legislature I have come in working contact with lots of other professions from business to law and I scratch my head after some meetings how this person ever found their way out of the house that day. They are balanced by lots of smart folks also. But every degreed profession has its share of both examples.
 
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Libertarians attract less than one-half of one percent of the popular vote for President. Even the libertarian pin-up boys who make the hearts of the libertarians go pitter-patter with fervor - the Pauls - know that they could not get elected to anything running n the Libertarian party label. So these brave 'libertarians' run as republicans.

What you are fantasizing about is simply the McCoys versus the Hatfields with anyone outside of that unique mountain lifestyle left with nobody to represent them or advocate for them. It would be a level of Dante's Hell and makes no real practical sense at all.



And where is your authoritative data to support this claim? As always, its Missing In Action s you expect your biased opinion to be accepted as gospel.

Your 'view' is yet another wonderful example of the anti-teacher prejudice that is spread through these threads like a rotting disease through a leper. Some of the smartest people I have ever met have been some of my fellow teachers. They had the intelligence to be anything they wanted to be and education and serving children was their first choice. On the other hand, in my job in the state legislature I have come in working contact with lots of other professions from business to law and I scratch my head after some meetings how this person ever found their way out of the house that day. They are balanced by lots of smart folks also. But every degreed profession has its share of both examples.

do some google research

dozens upon dozens of articles note that the college students who choose grade/HS teaching are the least competitive students at their universities. The best and the brightest go into medicine engineering law and business. a teaching masters is among the easiest and least competitive graduate degrees to get.
 
do some google research

dozens upon dozens of articles note that the college students who choose grade/HS teaching are the least competitive students at their universities. The best and the brightest go into medicine engineering law and business. a teaching masters is among the easiest and least competitive graduate degrees to get.
NO.

It was your charge - you find your evidence or be known as a fraud.
It was your claim - you find your evidence or be known as a blowhard.
It was your allegation - you find your evidence or be known as a liar.

Do your own research. Present your evidence. Its on you to support your claims. That is how debate works.
 
There is no doubt that the Bush administration ran up too much debt while in office, with that said Obama has doubled down in 2 years what it took Bush 8 years to do. As far as your argument about weapons.... defense is only about 5-7% of the total budget where social programs demand much more.

Uh, no. Defense spending--the kind of services needed to offer protection against modern threats from cellular terrorist groups (FBI Counterterrorism)--is around .25% of the budget.

2.7 billion / 1.06 trillion =.00254717

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Offense spending--the tanks, jets, etc. which are completely useless against clandestine terror cells but only good for initiating agression--is what makes up the DOD budget, and the total annual spending for that, including the annual interest on past wars-of-agression (Iraq, Vietnam, etc.) spending, is 79% of the annual budget, according to the GAO. . .

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(721.3 billion + 114.8 billion) / 1.060 trillion = .788774

As far as your comment about weapons being worthless I'd have issue with that. If this country couldnt defend itself

The US cannot defend itself, as was proven on 9/11. The fact that a bunch of flunkie terrorists succesfully attacked the financial capital of the US and encountered no resistance proves that. . .

. . .and what's pathetic is that it happened despite the US having a "defense" budget several times more than most other countries--a rather obvious indication of wasteful spending.

Concerning the comment about dictators I'd like to point out that Democrats have backed dictators just like republicans and sometimes its actually the better choice. I'd think you would see this if the muslim brotherhood ever took control in Egypt. Sometimes the only chioce is between bad & worse.

Taxpayer $$ (current or future) should never be used to back dictators or take sides in foreign political conflicts, period.

Unfortunately, this consistently happens because of idiot voters who keep putting the mainstream party idiots back in power, and, without exception, the GOP is the worst offender in this category.
 
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exactly how does one light a gator?

;)

bad joke alert

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hopefully the libertarians

that should be the real choice

republicans and libertarians

welfare socialism should be eradicated

From what I find, many, though not all, libertarians are basically conservatives who want to have a weak gov, yet they want to enjoy public services like roads, sewage, national defense, etc.
 
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