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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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And accusing somebody of driving down the autobahn is also a German nazi reference? Get over yourself man.

You are out of control and need to take a break. Are you even thinking before posting. It certainly doesn't appear so if you can equate a "German driving down an autobahn" to accusing some of being in "goose step".
 
Without unions, what's to stop it from happening again? Did you notice who the Koch brother's lap dog is in Wisconsin?

Do you know who Soros's and Trumka's lap dog is in Washington, D.C.???
 
Of course that is what you believe because you cannot prove it but don't buy his actual written words. How typical.

the problem here Conservative is that you judge others by what you yourself describe as your own political experience. You proudly trumpet how your own views have not changed but the Democratic Party... ooooppps --- you call it the Democrat Party - don't you.....(as if that Limbaughism is not a complete giveaway to the fraud) left you. You stood still while the dems left you behind and you found yourself as Republican.

You see sir, many people tend to change a bit - sometimes alot - and evolve with the times. That was the type of person FDR was and there is tons of evidence of it in the excellent series of books about him and the New Deal by Arthur Schlesinger. You should read them. Its all in there and will give you all the proof you need that FDR changed his views to the demands of the times and the situation. He was far from the type of individual that you yourself proudly proclaim to be.

to help you

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/06..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0TF2NZQJ9G0ZG3SY8EZV
 
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Here's a little education for you......... accusing someone of "goose stepping" is the same as calling them a nazi.

History is a great subject. You should try it sometime.

History is a great subject. And also you are wrong, look here and here.

There are militarizes that still goose step, but I guess that makes them Nazis right?
 
Are you gong to stick with this?

Yes, unless you can prove that public union dues come from someone besides the tax payers who employee them.
You do know that we aren't talking about private sector unions?
 
History is a great subject. And also you are wrong, look here and here.

There are militarizes that still goose step, but I guess that makes them Nazis right?

Now this is going to make their heads explode. Mr. I. you are confusing them with facts.
 
LOL, many teachers are paid more than what they're worth (and teachers' unions do have something to do with that). The key difference between those teachers and CEOs is not their desire to cheat people (including property taxpayers) out of their $$, but rather how far they're willing to take that desire.

And as stated before, most CEOs get to where they are because of their persistence in fellating superiors. Contrary to the beliefs of limbaugh addicts, it seldom has anything to do with their competence in increasing shareholder value. Most CEOs (like AT & T's Randall Stephenson) are incompetent buffoons that keep their jobs solely because of their prior success in building relationships with other bigger schmoozers.

Teachers can do the same thing. A lazy young, sexy 23 y/o female second grade teacher can either screw around in class and make the salary her union won for her, or she can apply for a job as a CEO's secretary. In the latter role, she can flirt w/the (married) CEO and then blackmail him to get millions of dollars.

Or she can work hard and teach. Some do, and while there is something to be said for that, it's harder to fatten the pocketbook that way.


What you speak of is the exception, not the rule. I am married to a teacher and I can tell you she works harder and puts in more hours that her private sector counterparts for less money.
 
You are out of control and need to take a break. Are you even thinking before posting. It certainly doesn't appear so if you can equate a "German driving down an autobahn" to accusing some of being in "goose step".

Please check the post from Mr. Invisible. You have been shown to have no idea of what you are talking about.
 
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And you blame the teachers, fireman and police for that?
 
the problem here Conservative is that you judge others by what you yourself describe as your own political experience. You proudly trumpet how your own views have not changed but the Democratic Party... ooooppps --- you call it the Democrat Party - don't you.....(as if that Limbaughism is not a complete giveaway to the fraud) left you. You stood still while the dems left you behind and you found yourself as Republican.

You see sir, many people tend to change a bit - sometimes alot - and evolve with the times. That was the type of person FDR was and there is tons of evidence of it in the excellent series of books about him and the New Deal by Arthur Schlesinger. You should read them. Its all in there and will give you all the proof you need that FDR changed his views to the demands of the times and the situation. He was far from the type of individual that you yourself proudly proclaim to be.

to help you

Amazon.com: The Crisis of the Old Order: 1919-1933, The Age of Roosevelt, Volume I (9780618340859): Arthur M. "Schlesinger Jr.": Books

You have posted nothing that changes what FDR said about collective bargaining by public unions. I am lot older than you and grew up in family that thought FDR was God, not unlike many still today. FDR was very strong in his belief that public unions should not have the right to collective bargaining because they were doing so with people who couldn't participate in the process, the taxpayers, and that the people they were negotiating with could influenced by those unions and the dollars they invest in campaigns. Little has changed today other than states are bankrupt today because of in part union benefits and salaries. I doubt that FDR would change his position.

As for Democrat Party here is why I use it

"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s.[9] The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.[10]
 
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That didn't answer anything. You basically just said, "I am right, you are wrong. Shut up." What makes one person in a company worth 2100 times another? How much would the CEO be making if it was not for the cashiers, stock boys, greeters, janitors, etc?
Freedom does. Specifically, the market.
Look at any centrally planned market in the world, they are dismal failures, and have terrible standards of living and human rights typically. You're really that shortsighted?

Average CEO salary is about 68x the minimum wage salary. Not 2100 times.
Add in all compensation and it's around 350-500x. However, most of that is stock ownership, which reflects the effort of growing and running a business.
Pushing a mop is not growing and running a business, that's why they typically don't get stock and stock options. Running a fortune 500 corporate as an employee is very similar to running one as the owner. Because of this fact, to be competitive, you have to pay a CEO in accordance with what they could get in the market if you want to keep them. If CEO were simply offered $1M in salary with no ownership, the nearest competitor would smoke them, or the CEO may start a business where they are the owner, and do far better finanically either way. Markets work.

I think this is all very basic stuff, what's going on here?
 
Do you know who Soros's and Trumka's lap dog is in Washington, D.C.???


No, I must have missed the latest Beck episode...........
 
You want to raise taxes on the middle class? :lamo

This is getting funny now.

I don't want taxes raised on anyone. I'm a conservative. Howerer, if taxes get raised they should go up the same percentage for everyone. Why are tax cuts to the middle class not called "adding to the deficit?" like tax cuts to the rich are?
 
You have posted nothing that changes what FDR said about collective bargaining by public unions. I am lot older than you and grew up in family that thought FDR was God, not unlike many still today. FDR was very strong in his belief that public unions should not have the right to collective bargaining because they were doing so with people who couldn't participate in the process, the taxpayers, and that the people they were negotiating with could influenced by those unions and the dollars they invest in campaigns. Little has changed today other than states are bankrupt today because of in part union benefits and salaries. I doubt that FDR would change his position.

I have read many books about FDR including just about everything Schlesinger wrote on the man. He was a dynamic man who was not tied to ideology or the fixed positions of the True Believer.

You have the right to believe what you think FDR would believe were he around today.

And so do I. I base my views on the FDR that Schlesinger introduced me to.
 
And you blame the teachers, fireman and police for that?

Maybe you can tell me why we have a federal budget for education when it is also in the states and is a state and local responsibility. Teachers, firemen, and police are funded by the states, not the Federal govt.
 
I don't want taxes raised on anyone. I'm a conservative. Howerer, if taxes get raised they should go up the same percentage for everyone. Why are tax cuts to the middle class not called "adding to the deficit?" like tax cuts to the rich are?

Because those of the middle class, just like the poor, are more likely to go out and spend $$$ thus stimulating the economy, unlike the rich who just use the tax cuts to make more $$$ for themselves.
 
I have read many books about FDR including just about everything Schlesinger wrote on the man. He was a dynamic man who was not tied to ideology or the fixed positions of the True Believer.

You have the right to believe what you think FDR would believe were he around today.

And so do I. I base my views on the FDR that Schlesinger introduced me to.

What you or I think at this point is irrelevant, his words are there for all to see and he got it right.

As for Democrat Party here is why I use it

"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.The term "Democrat Party" was in common use with no negative connotations by Democrats in some localities during the 1950s.[9] The Dictionary of American Regional English gives numerous examples of "Democrat" being used as an adjective in everyday speech, especially in the Northeast.[10]
 
Freedom does. Specifically, the market.
Look at any centrally planned market in the world, they are dismal failures, and have terrible standards of living and human rights typically. You're really that shortsighted?

Average CEO salary is about 68x the minimum wage salary. Not 2100 times.
Add in all compensation and it's around 350-500x. However, most of that is stock ownership, which reflects the effort of growing and running a business.
Pushing a mop is not growing and running a business, that's why they typically don't get stock and stock options. Running a fortune 500 corporate as an employee is very similar to running one as the owner. Because of this fact, to be competitive, you have to pay a CEO in accordance with what they could get in the market if you want to keep them. If CEO were simply offered $1M in salary with no ownership, the nearest competitor would smoke them, or the CEO may start a business where they are the owner, and do far better finanically either way. Markets work.

I think this is all very basic stuff, what's going on here?

But what makes the market right? Why is the market infallible? Last time I checked, we bailed the market out because of how dead wrong it was. So the market "says" one person is worth 2150:1 compared to others, you take it as truth?

Also, please cite your stats. Its common decency.
 
Because those of the middle class, just like the poor, are more likely to go out and spend $$$ thus stimulating the economy, unlike the rich who just use the tax cuts to make more $$$ for themselves.

The poor spend it on consumer goods.
The wealthy invest it into economic growth and on consumer goods.

Both spend it. Where do you get these ideas?
 
Yep, that excessive spending fattening CEO salaries. . .

Tanker bid: Boeing wins $30 billion tanker contract - chicagotribune.com

made worse by the fact that your kids will have to pay more to cover that $30 billion deficit because of the tax break given to an oil company.

Look when your income is cut what do you do? If you believe giving tax breaks to corporations create the deficits then stop the damn spending. I posted the 2010 budget and I am sure you can find 30 billion in cuts there to promote job creation. How many employees will that 30 billion tanker contract create? You really don't like CEO's apparently, how many are there and what did they create of our 14.3 trillion dollar debt?
 
But what makes the market right? Why is the market infallible? Last time I checked, we bailed the market out because of how dead wrong it was. So the market "says" one person is worth 2150:1 compared to others, you take it as truth?

Also, please cite your stats. Its common decency.

You are really scaring me. Is this what you are learning in school? No wonder we have problems today. We have the best economic system in the world, one that allows you to make as much money as you legally can make but not in your world.
 
because unlike real unions that not only bargain on behalf of their employees against (when it comes to individual workers) a much stronger entity, but also train and guarantee the work of their members, everything a public sector union does is contrary to the good of the country

I deal with Pub Sector unions constantly. One of the reasons why the US Postal Service leaked a billion or two dollars last year was the unions. From the inability to fire not just incompetent -but often criminally dangerous employees-to the bloated overtime and benefits, all the Unions do is drive up costs and limit efficiency

I’m not going to argue the postal service with you; they’ve been a semi-independent federal agency since 1970. That subject could be the basis for a five hundred-page thread alone.

The teachers unions, firefighters, police and a few crafts in your larger cities. I contend that cities get better protection (firefighters, police) better economy (craft unions) and as for the teachers. If you’re saying that teachers unions cause bad schools…nah, it’s not the union teachers causing bad schools. You could take a top ranked urban public(with union staff ) school and a top ranked private school and exchange staff and my money would be you wouldn’t have a an observable blip in GPA. I’m not going to say that all public sector unions are a good, but these four IMO the public gets more bang for their tax dollar than they would otherwise.
 
I don't want taxes raised on anyone. I'm a conservative. Howerer, if taxes get raised they should go up the same percentage for everyone. Why are tax cuts to the middle class not called "adding to the deficit?" like tax cuts to the rich are?

Are they not? As I have said all over this board:

income - expense = profit/loss

So any tax cut is a loss of income which will inherently bring down profit or raise loss (or lower surpluses and raise debt). I think we are just saying that if someone is making 2150 times most of the employees below him, he can probably afford to pay a much higher tax rate. In fact, at 35 million a year, he can pay an 80% tax rate and still come down with $8,000,000 per year not including fringe benefits.
 
You are really scaring me. Is this what you are learning in school? No wonder we have problems today. We have the best economic system in the world, one that allows you to make as much money as you legally can make but not in your world.

What is scaring you? That I asked why the market is infallible? That I question why someone is worth 2150 times another person (not including bonuses and fringe benefits)?
 
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