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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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No, you don't know how to read a chart just like you don't know where the money comes from to pay public employees but as you stated, you really don't care. That says it all.
what it shows is that i tire of arguing with ignorance...you want to pretend that these folks don't earn the money they are paid, because they don't work in the private sector, and work for the government .
 
Do YOU know how long its been since 14 year olds were forced to work and workers were forced to buy everything from the "company store"??? THAT was the time when unions had a use, and it was a long time ago.

Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.
 
All of a CEO's salary is produced from the added on cost of products purchased by the public. Why would you not question getting ripped off by CEO's lavish lifestyle and then turn around and begrudge a teacher an adequate salary for the services they provide?

LOL, many teachers are paid more than what they're worth (and teachers' unions do have something to do with that). The key difference between those teachers and CEOs is not their desire to cheat people (including property taxpayers) out of their $$, but rather how far they're willing to take that desire.

And as stated before, most CEOs get to where they are because of their persistence in fellating superiors. Contrary to the beliefs of limbaugh addicts, it seldom has anything to do with their competence in increasing shareholder value. Most CEOs (like AT & T's Randall Stephenson) are incompetent buffoons that keep their jobs solely because of their prior success in building relationships with other bigger schmoozers.

Teachers can do the same thing. A lazy young, sexy 23 y/o female second grade teacher can either screw around in class and make the salary her union won for her, or she can apply for a job as a CEO's secretary. In the latter role, she can flirt w/the (married) CEO and then blackmail him to get millions of dollars.

Or she can work hard and teach. Some do, and while there is something to be said for that, it's harder to fatten the pocketbook that way.
 
If I feel I am ripped off by a company I don't buy from them thus don't create any revenue that is used to pay CEO's. No such luck paying the Federal or State governments

Except we don't make purchases from teachers. We hire them to do a service. If schools were run by corporations and you felt they were charging too much, what would you do?

If you felt you were being gouged by oil company CEOs making record profits by overcharging you at the gas pumps, what would you do?

If you pension is lost by speculators for Enron, what would you do?
 
because unlike real unions that not only bargain on behalf of their employees against (when it comes to individual workers) a much stronger entity, but also train and guarantee the work of their members, everything a public sector union does is contrary to the good of the country

I deal with Pub Sector unions constantly. One of the reasons why the US Postal Service leaked a billion or two dollars last year was the unions. From the inability to fire not just incompetent -but often criminally dangerous employees-to the bloated overtime and benefits, all the Unions do is drive up costs and limit efficiency

Reading your comments about unions reminds me of a magazine article from a eunuch describing the wonders of the brothel.
 
Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.

I studied labor history. I have a degree in labor relations-and the american labor movement was as filled with mainstream labor fighting radical/anarcho-syndicalist/communist (ever heard of the wobblies-IWW?) as it was of Gompers et al fighting with management.

the fact is public sector unions serve no useful purpose other than enriching the labor leaders and getting more pay for less work for their members. the workers in the state in question contribute one tenth or less to their pensions than say the heavily unionized public sector workers here in ohio
 
Do you know how long it has been since FDR was President? That America no longer exists. Get over it. MNy calendar reads 2011. How about yours? Besides, you attempting to hijack FDR for your own extremist right wing position is laughable to anyone who has read your true feelings about him and the many programs he created for America and its people.

Do you know how much of FDR exists today and how many liberals tout his accomplishments? Seems very selective cherrypicking to ignore how he felt about public unions.
 
Reading your comments about unions reminds me of a magazine article from a eunuch describing the wonders of the brothel.

that actually makes sense since eunuchs in some societies were specifically tasked with guarding or running brothels or harems. see what you missed out on by living in the USA?
 
Do you know how much of FDR exists today and how many liberals tout his accomplishments? Seems very selective cherrypicking to ignore how he felt about public unions.

yeah for a guy who claims to have been a teacher he sure seems to have failed most of American history
 
you does realize the historical and current benefits unions brought about, right? you do realize unions are why we don't have child labor in this country, right? you do realize unions are resposnible for safe work environments, right?

Remember, we are only talking public service unions here, where the tax payers pay those wages. They are the employers. Do you not think they should be represented in the process of negotiating those wages? Instead, the union workers are being represented by Union leaders and the tax payer is being represented by politicians who will likely benefit with campaign contributions if they side with the union. Where is the protection for the tax payer?
 
Your post is a perfect illustration of the evils of the right wings conservatives in many states putting the goose step to text book publishers to sanitize their US History textbooks of anything about actual American labor history. Thank you for providing this insight.

Ding, Ding, Ding.... we have a winner.

As far as I know, you are the first lib to pull out the Nazi characterization in this long tedious thread. I guess you didn't get the memo from Obama asking for a more compassionate dialog.

Congratulations !
 
Except we don't make purchases from teachers. We hire them to do a service. If schools were run by corporations and you felt they were charging too much, what would you do?

If you felt you were being gouged by oil company CEOs making record profits by overcharging you at the gas pumps, what would you do?

If you pension is lost by speculators for Enron, what would you do?

Right, I pay their salaries just like all taxpayers. Schools aren't run by corporations so your speculative argument isn't worth much. FDR, the father of liberalism did not support collective bargaining for unions and it is obvious to most as to why.

Enron didn't fail over night and people had a chance to get out before it failed. Failure is an option in the private sector, but not the public sector. You don't seem to have a problem with bailing out the public sector.
 
yeah for a guy who claims to have been a teacher he sure seems to have failed most of American history

In a merit based system he would have been booted, guess that is why he is so supportive of unions.
 
Ding, Ding, Ding.... we have a winner.

As far as I know, you are the first lib to pull out the Nazi characterization in this long tedious thread. I guess you didn't get the memo from Obama asking for a more compassionate dialog.

Congratulations !

Obviously you don't know what a Nazi is or what they stood for because what haymarket said is not a "Nazi characterization"
 
Do you know how much of FDR exists today and how many liberals tout his accomplishments? Seems very selective cherrypicking to ignore how he felt about public unions.

Did you ever see Kevin Meaney do "I Don't Care?" Of course you have. Would you like to see it again? I know it helps me on the occassional bad day.

I have no doubt that if FDR could come back today and be in Wisconsin he would be right with those state workers on the street flashing that big smile with a cigarette holder in his clenched teeth and his dog Fala in his lap.
 
Obviously you don't know what a Nazi is or what they stood for because what haymarket said is not a "Nazi characterization"

Here's a little education for you......... accusing someone of "goose stepping" is the same as calling them a nazi.

History is a great subject. You should try it sometime.
 
Sorry, my kids and yours if you have any will be paying for the excessive spending not the tax cuts to businesses that employ people who pay taxes.



What excessive spending?
 
So you are of the mind that without unions, people just pay their employees the bare minimum that they can get away with. That's just sad.

If the employee has developed no prior cozy relationship (either direct or indirect) with his/her employer, he/she is always paid the bare minimum by his/her employer. It's just that with union shop agreements, that bare minimum is higher.
 
yeah for a guy who claims to have been a teacher he sure seems to have failed most of American history

Having had to correct more of your own mistakes about the USA, its government and its history, its taxation history and policy, this would laughable were it not so totally pathetic and desperate.
 
Did you ever see Kevin Meaney do "I Don't Care?" Of course you have. Would you like to see it again? I know it helps me on the occassional bad day.

I have no doubt that if FDR could come back today and be in Wisconsin he would be right with those state workers on the street flashing that big smile with a cigarette holder in his clenched teeth and his dog Fala in his lap.

Of course that is what you believe because you cannot prove it but don't buy his actual written words. How typical.
 
is a conservative JEALOUS of another's wages?

No, they are pissed because those wages come out of their taxes and they have no say about it.
Why can't some people understand that there is a limit to what states can afford to pay?
 
Here's a little education for you......... accusing someone of "goose stepping" is the same as calling them a nazi.

History is a great subject. You should try it sometime.

And accusing somebody of driving down the autobahn is also a German nazi reference? Get over yourself man.
 
What excessive spending?

The 3.7 trillion dollar budget submitted by Obama. Here is the 2010 budget, you tell me what is excessive and what is paid for by both the states and the Federal Govt.

Expenses

Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41.6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.5
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369
Medicare 451.6
Income Security 624
Social Security 706.7
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9


Total 3537.6
 
Do YOU know how long its been since 14 year olds were forced to work and workers were forced to buy everything from the "company store"??? THAT was the time when unions had a use, and it was a long time ago.


Without unions, what's to stop it from happening again? Did you notice who the Koch brother's lap dog is in Wisconsin?
 
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