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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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yes...let's continue our race to the bottom. when salaries fall for public school teachers, they will fall for private school teachers. then who do you think will be standing in line to teach our children?

That is complete deception on your part. Where is Walker saying to cut salaries?
 
That is complete deception on your part. Where is Walker saying to cut salaries?

it's not deception. why would you think he'll stop with cutting benefits? this year, maybe, but what about the future? again, it seems republicans are intent upon destroying our middle class.
 
it's not deception. why would you think he'll stop with cutting benefits? this year, maybe, but what about the future? again, it seems republicans are intent upon destroying our middle class.

You can speculate but that is all you do, what happens when a Democrat gets back in charge if you want to play those games. If you are so concerned about the teachers of Wisconsin, then move there and pay Wisconsin taxes.
 
They have that is why there are right to work states where you can not be forced to join a union or be forced to pay union dues against your will

This reply has what to do with FUNDING ?
 
What difference does it make? People are standing in line to be teachers. Let the market speak there like it does everywhere else.

Could you support this with some evidence?

There is no direct comparison to the private sector -- OH!!! Unless you want to use private schools.And, historically, those salaries have been lower than those in public schools. So let's use those.


Have they really been lower? Do you have some data to back that up?

I'm sorry, but I'm not the type who listens to unsubstantiated opinion. Please provide some sources to your assertions aside from your anecdotal assumptions.
 
it's not deception. why would you think he'll stop with cutting benefits? this year, maybe, but what about the future? again, it seems republicans are intent upon destroying our middle class.

Oh, pulllleeeeze. Only 11.9 % of American workers are in a union. Anyone who thinks they need a union in order to stay in Middle Class America is pathetic.
 
It is a scam that means nothing and shows unions and democrats do not have a leg to stand on.

What did Walker say that he has not said publicly?


That its all about busting the union here to become the first domino across the country, and that he considered bringing in hired thugs to cause disruption!
 
Could you support this with some evidence?

Have they really been lower? Do you have some data to back that up?

I'm sorry, but I'm not the type who listens to unsubstantiated opinion. Please provide some sources to your assertions aside from your anecdotal assumptions.

So what gives when you look at public-school and private-school teachers? The National Center for Education Statistics puts it this way: Using 2007-2008 data (the latest available), the average "total school-year and summer earned income" for public school teachers was $53,230 . The equivalent for private-school teachers was $39,690.
That's a whopping $13,540 differential on salary alone. And in virtually every subset (highest degree earned, years of experience, you name it), the public-school teachers do far better than the private-school ones.
Public vs Private School Teachers: Who Gets More?

Anecdotal evidence: two relatives who were forced to take jobs in Chicago Public School District (their very last choice) because neither could find a teaching job in suburban Chicago; another relative trying to find his first teaching job in suburban Chicago who's been trying for two years. A friend who's been substituting for four years while trying to get hired by the school distict.
 
Because of the National debt.

So send all your money to the govt. since you believe keeping more of it contributes to the national debt. That might be one of the stupidest comments I have seen on line, keeping more of what you earn drives up the national debt? No wonder we are in a mess with comments like that
 
If you include the money the state pays for the pension fund and health insurance the salary would be much higher

Liberals and union try to deceive us on this the truth is they are much better off than than the average person in Wisconsin and get 3 months a year vacation

The $75,000 does include the pension and health insurance. Without that included the average salary is $50,000
 
Why similar educated. Is that who is paying their wages. How about the average for the state they get paid from.

So you think someone with a bachelors degree in the public sector should get paid the same as someone with just a high school diploma in the private sector?
 
How about just the average wage for people in Wisconsin. Most people do not get free insurance and pension plan

Compare it any way you like. Most people in the private sector with 4 to 8 years of college make more. Show me statistics that say otherwise.
 
Why similar educated. Is that who is paying their wages. How about the average for the state they get paid from.

So you are suggesting there should be no pay differential for jobs that require a college education?
 
Compare it any way you like. Most people in the private sector with 4 to 8 years of college make more. Show me statistics that say otherwise.

Still waiting for an answer, Explain how government-paid employees who produce no revenue and are paid solely through tax dollars should be allowed to unionize against taxpayers?
 
Public vs Private School Teachers: Who Gets More?

Anecdotal evidence: two relatives who were forced to take jobs in Chicago Public School District (their very last choice) because neither could find a teaching job in suburban Chicago; another relative trying to find his first teaching job in suburban Chicago who's been trying for two years. A friend who's been substituting for four years while trying to get hired by the school distict.

The starting salary for a private school teacher is less than 29K? That is ridiculous. They are highly underpaid.
 
Still waiting for an answer, Explain how government-paid employees who produce no revenue and are paid solely through tax dollars should be allowed to unionize against taxpayers?

They are not unionized against taxpayers. Read a little history about why we have unions for christ's sake, or a least pay attention to the current news. Before unions most cities were run by corporations that simply bought out the governments. Just as is happening in Wisconsin as demonstrated by the Governor's subordination to the Koch Brothers.

This is a fight between wall street and main street.
 
I don't know about the tax cuts. The link didn't address those. But tax cuts have been proven to stimulate business and individual spending. One just can't grab on to tax cuts and say bad-bad-bad. The reality that matters is that Walker didn't take a surplus and turn it into a deficit as has been previously claimed.

Dems are just upset because he didn't raise taxes to use for another social program. Perhaps gym memberships for the poor obese children.
I mean, who can complain about wanting to help children learn the benefits of exercise?
 
They are not unionized against taxpayers. Read a little history about why we have unions for christ's sake, or a least pay attention to the current news. Before unions most cities were run by corporations that simply bought out the governments. Just as is happening in Wisconsin as demonstrated by the Governor's subordination to the Koch Brothers.

This is a fight between wall street and main street.

This is a fight between beleagered taxpayers and union power.
 
They are not unionized against taxpayers. Read a little history about why we have unions for christ's sake, or a least pay attention to the current news. Before unions most cities were run by corporations that simply bought out the governments. Just as is happening in Wisconsin as demonstrated by the Governor's subordination to the Koch Brothers.

This is a fight between wall street and main street.

Good Lord, are you this dense? Taxpayers pay these public employees so try again, explain who they are unionizing against?
 
Oh, pulllleeeeze. Only 11.9 % of American workers are in a union. Anyone who thinks they need a union in order to stay in Middle Class America is pathetic.

Let's educate the liberals here not that facts are relevant to them. Notice the public sector unions vs. private sector unions.

Union Members Summary
 
I do have to wonder about the macro effects of unions. Just because you aren't in a union doesn't mean that you don't get a higher salary because one exists. If the private sector teaching jobs are underpaid now, I dread to imagine how bad the pay will be once the public teaching union no longer exists and the private sector no longer has to compete against their salaries.

In essence, unions may have a far reaching effect and keep even private sector salaries higher than they would otherwise be.
 
The $75,000 does include the pension and health insurance. Without that included the average salary is $50,000

At $75,000., that's $390.62 a day or $48.83 an hour. Sounds like damned good money to me, and I'll bet to 90% of all Americans.

The hourly rate of teachers should be publicized and I'll bet public sentiment will turn against them in a heartbeat.
 
I’ll just address the meat of this rambling, almost incoherent post. Taxpayers PAY WAGES of public employees, for services performed. If taxpayers were funding unions,people that had a hard on against unions(such as yourself) would have been lining up for the last hindered years filing court cases against their money funding unions. End of story,have a good day conservative.::2wave:

Union dues are paid out of those wages, so yes tax payers fund unions.
 
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