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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Barbbtx said:
Didn't even watch it, did you? Stossel happens to be a libertarian by the way and doesn't always agree with the regulars on Fox.
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I remembered what you said about not trusting "facts" from a biased organization. Got anything credible to show the plight of the middle class is improving in relation to increase in wealth by the super rich?
 
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whysoserious said:
In what world?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2206rank.html
The CIA puts us 46th in percent of GDP spent on education.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk
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Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings
You can also see how terrible we were in 2009. Our education system is really not that great.

U.S. Education Slips In Rankings - CBS News


You're right, we better cut education so that we can give tax breaks to the guys who trade derivatives! No wonder our system is so screwed up?



Bill Gates has stated publicly that he plans on donating everything except for a few million to his kids.
Bill Gates pledges his $58 billion fortune to charity... rather than his children | Mail Online

It's a beautiful thing. I think, unfortunately, he is even going to break apart the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation - which is a shame (as it is one of the few truly benevolent organizations in the world).
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Since we have a 14.5 TRILLION Dollar Economy that is an incredible amount spent on education. In addition both state and federal govt. spends money on education and has been pointed out just spending money doesn't solve the education problems. Wisconsin teachers make more than the average or even the median salary nationwide and they rank near the bottom in results. Just goes to show how much money is wasted in the public sector tht you ignore.
 
Catawba said:
I remembered about what you said about not trusting "facts" from a biased organization. Got anything credible to show the plight of the middle class is improving in relation to increase in wealth by the super rich?
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If the middle class isn't improving that is their fault not someone else's. Liberals have created an entitlement mentality and that is why many fail, they lose the incentive to achieve. Stop blaming someone else for your own failures.
 
Conservative said:
Every town doesn't have a Wal-Mart so move if that is what you want to do. Amazing isn't it how many people line up to work at Wal-Mart when a new one opens up and amazing how much the public saves at a Wal-Mart that allows them to do more with their money. Even more importantly people working at Wal-Mart full time don't make minimum wage, get full benefits, and are promoted from within to other positions including corporate. So what is your problem again?
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People line up to work at Walmarts because once a Walmart moves in, they will not be able to compete with them
 
Catawba said:
One sixth of the country being under the poverty line doesn't concern you huh?
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You didn't respond to what I rebutted.
You claimed the middle class was suffering as a direct result of income inequality.

as to the new worry of yours, the poverty figures, do you mean the international poverty line or the U.S. poverty line? I lived in poverty, according to the U.S. poverty line. And I can tell you, it did NOT concern me. Some of the best years of my life looking back.

Besides, I just pointed you to what raises the most people out of poverty the fastest:
The point at which the poor start entering the middle class by the millions is the time when poor countries get the maximum benefit from cheap labour through international trade, before they price themselves out of world markets for cheap goods

Because your trickle down theory has proven not to work. Why would I possible want to continue practices that have only made our economy worse for the middle class?
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That's not my theory, that's based on the middle class wiki citing the Economist. Jesus man, we have world economies emerging from the dark ages of central planning clearly evidencing the power of the market, and we STILL have people covering their eyes screaming they don't see it? What? This is NOT partisan, this is about real life.

We have been trickled on quite enough already thank you!
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You are tricking yourself unfortunately :/ See above.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
How is the pie available for everyone else when a minority controls the majority of the pie?
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Because their is not just one pie. Make your own. Don't steal someone else's.

In other words, get an education, get a job, don't go into debt for anything but your education, save your money, invest, don't get anyone pregnant, live in an apartment, drive a used car you paid cash for, work hard, get promoted, get promoted again, create something, write a book, do whatever it takes to grow your own pie. Then if you want to give it away, go ahead. Or you could get married, buy a house and have raise a family.
 
Amazed said:
LOL...Bammy and Bush did it...the Public wanted to let them fail.
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So you propose to give those same bankers and hedge fund managers more in tax cuts that are added to our debt? How does that make sense?
 
Mach said:
You are not writing anything that remotely reflects reality. Why?

If your idea of starting a business is randomly starting a mom-and-pop shop to go head on with wal mart on general low cost retail items, you're offering the worst advice I've read on DP in recent memory.

I mean, why can't you just go compete with Toyota right now? They are keeping you down! The corporate man is preventing you? What a crock.

You start based on your means. You generate income. You save, you make more, you re-invest, you make more, you re-invest. As whysoserious informed you, wealth begets wealth.

Or, you just to work up the ladder and become an executive and make 7-figures and get company stocks. That's getting a piece of the pie too. Any way you cut it, you are free to. More free than nearly any other society in human history to boot.
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Hey, I was just following your advice as you said:

Mach said:
Because you're free to jump in there any time you want. People demonstrate this fact every day. They don't "control" it in any practical sense. That's why we have free markets to begin with, to prevent control.
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Mr. Invisible said:
People line up to work at Walmarts because once a Walmart moves in, they will not be able to compete with them
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So what? Wal-Mart is the largest retailer in the world that teaches employees how to run business. Most of Wal-Mart managers came from within the company starting out as cashiers. Many in the corporate office started in the stores as well. Why is that a problem for you?
 
QUOTE Conservative;

Right, taxpayers funding public unions that use their dues to fund campaign ads that keep politicians in power that continue to bilk the taxpayer for higher union benefits.
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Taxpayers funding public unions?:shock: Taxpayers pay for a service, be it fire protection, police protection, or getting their potholes filled after a long hard winter.

It is easy for someone like you who doesn't live in Wisconsin to have no problem with the taxes the people of Wisconsin pay to fund these public unions.
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Its called fighting a Koch bros funded winger virus.


You seem to do that a lot, get involved in causes that costs someone else, not you, personal income.
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Hhmm…wonder if someone took the time to count the post in this thread which of us would have the most post. My money would be on you.:2wave:
 
I have a confession. When I started this business no wealthy elite attempted to stop me, or has since. How can we explain this?

Seriously, if you understand anything, understand that the really big fish are effectively REMOVED from the small ponds of market opportunity that most of you, and me, can fish in.
Read any investor about how a very large investment firm can't participate in really small markets, it is economically not feasible.

This leaves them open to smaller investors (you and me). Not only is there no evidence anyone controls anything the way you guys are suggesting, basic economic reality is that aside from them not controlling it, they are actually PREVENTED from participating in the faster growth markets (up to mid-large cap)

A fidelity mutual fund can't invest $100M in a company that is only worth $30M. But you can. Trump can't try to compete in very small real estate projects (unless it's high profile for the celebrity he so dearly loves), it's too costly to do 5 tiny projects, far more economical to do one large one instead.

And once you get your millions, guess what...you can now move up to the next tier of investment. And so forth. Or skip all the way to the top like the facebook kid, whatever.
 
Catawba said:
So you propose to give those same bankers and hedge fund managers more in tax cuts that are added to our debt? How does that make sense?
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Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does? When you get more take home pay is that an expense to the govt?
 
Conservative said:
Since we have a 14.5 TRILLION Dollar Economy that is an incredible amount spent on education.
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Oh it's ok because we are big? That's the thing about percents, size doesn't matter. Again, like I said, math is just math. It doesn't lie, and it doesn't have opinions. It just tells the story, and that story is that we are 44th on spending on education.

Conservative said:
In addition both state and federal govt. spends money on education and has been pointed out just spending money doesn't solve the education problems. Wisconsin teachers make more than the average or even the median salary nationwide and they rank near the bottom in results. Just goes to show how much money is wasted in the public sector tht you ignore.
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I have not seen one link or stat. Well done sir. You are truly on your way to becoming a politician who just makes things up because most people won't bother fact checking.
 
=donc;1059305177]Taxpayers funding public unions?:shock: Taxpayers pay for a service, be it fire protection, police protection, or getting their potholes filled after a long hard winter.
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And you need union employees to fill pot holes, become policemen or firemen?


Its called fighting a Koch bros funded winger virus.
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So if taxes go up to fund the unions or the unions bankrupt the state, how does that affect you?
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does?
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Actually, while tax cuts don't cause debt, they contribute to it, please look here

The idea is very simple. The gov needs X amount of money to cover its expenses and it gets most of its $$$ from taxes. If the gov gives tax breaks, that decreases the amount of revenue that the gov has and thus they are forced either to borrow to cover expenses or cut programs. Most of the time, the fed and the state govs borrow.
 
whysoserious;1059305181]Oh it's ok because we are big? That's the thing about percents, size doesn't matter. Again, like I said, math is just math. It doesn't lie, and it doesn't have opinions. It just tells the story, and that story is that we are 44th on spending on education.
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Amazing how you buy the rhetoric you are given that compares apples and oranges. Dept of Education has a budget of 125 billion dollars and every state has a Department of Education and school districts that are funded by property taxes none of which are counted in the Federal GDP. Just goes to show that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. You can get the U.S. Dept of Education numbers from the U.S. Treasury Website.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

You can get the definition of GDP at BEA.gov
You can get the state education budgets by going to the state websites

I have not seen one link or stat. Well done sir. You are truly on your way to becoming a politician who just makes things up because most people won't bother fact checking.
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Then prove me wrong.
 
Conservative said:
If the middle class isn't improving that is their fault not someone else's. Liberals have created an entitlement mentality and that is why many fail, they lose the incentive to achieve. Stop blaming someone else for your own failures.
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So are you claim that increasing the tax burden on a person does not make it more difficult? Show me your facts that show individual entitlement benefits less cost of individual cost of living have grown in proportion to the wealth increase by the super-rich?
 
Conservative said:
Then prove me wrong.
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This is usually said by people who cannot back up their claims. They make claims and then ask others to prove them wrong or to go look up the info themselves.
 
Conservative said:
Amazing how you buy the rhetoric you are given that compares apples and oranges. Dept of Education has a budget of 125 billion dollars and every state has a Department of Education and school districts that are funded by property taxes none of which are counted in the Federal GDP. Just goes to show that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. You can get the U.S. Dept of Education numbers from the U.S. Treasury Website.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

You can get the definition of GDP at BEA.gov
You can get the state education budgets by going to the state websites



Then prove me wrong.
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I am not in the habit of proven people who are full of it wrong. They are full of it so it stands by itself. I don't need to do work. Do your own research, pal.

Also, I got my information from the CIA, and I'll take their math over yours anyday. Let me see my choices:

A guy so uncreative he names himself "Conservative" on a political board (who will disagree with anything against his party) vs the CIA website.

I'll take CIA.gov. Again, the CIA did a study by percent of GDP we rank 44th in the world in education spending. Sorry if that upsets you. Take it up with the CIA.
 
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Mr. Invisible;1059305191]Actually, while tax cuts don't cause debt, they contribute to it, please look here
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Those are projections that are seldom right, but for argument sake let's say they are right, if you had a shortfall projection what would you do with your personal finances? Spend at the same level or cut spending. Wht is causing the debt right now is 15 million unemployed Americans not paying much in Federal Taxes and Obama doing nothing to promote the private sector to create jobs.


The idea is very simple. The gov needs X amount of money to cover its expenses and it gets most of its $$$ from taxes. If the gov gives tax breaks, that decreases the amount of revenue that the gov has and thus they are forced either to borrow to cover expenses or cut programs. Most of the time, the fed and the state govs borrow.
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Here are the expenses paid for by the Federal Income taxes, tell me which ones can be cut. You say the govt. "needs" X amount of money, why?

2010 Budget Line Items and amount in billions. How many of these items are line items at the state level. Bet I can find over 800 billion in spending cuts but you continue to buy the liberal rhetoric.

Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41.6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.5
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369
Medicare 451.6
Income Security 624
Social Security 706.7
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9


Total 3537.6
 
QUOTE Conservative;

And you need union employees to fill pot holes, become policemen or firemen?
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Yes if the majority of the employees vote for a union shop.


So if taxes go up to fund the unions or the unions bankrupt the state, how does that affect you?
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Its called UNION solidarity.Now tell me why someone gagging in the polluted air of Houston Texas is so concerned about a Union in the badger?
 
Mach said:
I have a confession. When I started this business no wealthy elite attempted to stop me, or has since. How can we explain this?

Seriously, if you understand anything, understand that the really big fish are effectively REMOVED from the small ponds of market opportunity that most of you, and me, can fish in.
Read any investor about how a very large investment firm can't participate in really small markets, it is economically not feasible.
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Of course they do not participate in small markets, they go for the entire county, state, or nation and then they go global. Also they don't have to attempt to stop you, you are already stopped the moment your business starts to try to compete with theirs.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I never said that increasing their own pies while creating jobs for others a bad thing, I said that the main beneficiaries of the increase in the pie are those who made the pie in the first place, thus the thought that the increase in pie benefits everyone isn't really true.
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Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking :)
 
Barbbtx said:
Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking :)
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Did he say that he thinks the boss should earn less than his employees? Name one Fortune 500 company where that is even close to that happening. In fact, name one where the highest employee to lowest employee ratio is even remotely close.
 
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