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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Barbbtx said:
Really? So almost all union members are democrats and voluntarily donate to candidates? Then what the hec are liberals worried about. I'm sure those Dems will still voluntarily contribute to the candidates of their choice, unions or not.
The teachers union and SEIU seem to operate differently. How would you feel about your dues if you were this lady?


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seriously, what part of 'voluntary' don't you people understand? all political activity is paid for with, i'll say this slowwwwwwwly, voluntary contributions.....
 
whysoserious said:
As usual, Jon Stewart and the Daily Show nailed the truth behind the issue:

Crisis in Dairyland - Revenge of the Curds - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/21/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
American Workforce Makeover - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/21/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

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It sucks that we can't embed Daily Show videos!
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It really doesn't take a lot of guts to be a liberal or a union member for all you do is take someone else's money and do the minimum that is acceptable. Obviously union employees don't give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it. I find it quite telling that someone from NC who if working in the private sector gets less in benefits and pay than union employees steal from the taxpayers. FDR spoke against public unions and is being proven right today. Hopefully the Governor of Wisconsin will fire them all. I am sure there are good candidates in the 15 million plus unemployed across the nation.
 
randel said:
seriously, what part of 'voluntary' don't you people understand? all political activity is paid for with, i'll say this slowwwwwwwly, voluntary contributions.....
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randel, how do you feel paying for the pensions of state employees in Ohio while having to contribute to the SS fund thus getting less take home pay than your fellow union employees? Where do you think the money sent to the national unions goes and obviously you ignored the post showing that the OEA funded attack ads against a candidate. Where did that money come from?
 
donc said:
As has been pointed out, the unions are willing to take one for the state.All they ask in return is the right of collective bargaining which they have had through many financial crisis in the past.
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Seems like a good time to get rid of collective bargaining is when it's hurting the states. This seems like the time for Wisconsin. When Unions can shut down schools for days, they are too powerful.
I suppose Walker could just give in and lay people off, but the same problems will keep coming up as long as they have all that power.


Review & Outlook: Athens in Mad Town - WSJ.com
The larger reality is that collective bargaining for government workers is not a God-given or constitutional right. It is the result of the growing union dominance inside the Democratic Party during the middle of the last century. John Kennedy only granted it to federal workers in 1962 and Jerry Brown to California workers in 1978. Other states, including Indiana and Missouri, have taken away collective bargaining rights for public employees in recent years, and some 24 states have either limited it or banned it outright.

And for good reason. Public unions have a monopoly position that gives them undue bargaining power. Their campaign cash—collected via mandatory dues—also helps to elect the politicians who are then supposed to represent taxpayers in negotiations with those same unions. The unions sit, in effect, on both sides of the bargaining table. This is why such famous political friends of the working man as Franklin Roosevelt and Fiorello La Guardia opposed collective bargaining for government workers, even as they championed private unions.
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Conservative said:
randel, how do you feel paying for the pensions of state employees in Ohio while having to contribute to the SS fund thus getting less take home pay than your fellow union employees? Where do you think the money sent to the national unions goes and obviously you ignored the post showing that the OEA funded attack ads against a candidate. Where did that money come from?
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please don't speak about things you have no understanding of, that being collective bargaining and unions, thankyou. you have your fantasy of what unions are and what dues are spent on, nothing i could say would change your mind, so move along.
 
Conservative said:
Obviously union employees don't give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it.
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And Wall Street does?

And the auto industry does?

And companies that outsource/offshore "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it?"

Edit: Before bashing on unions, let's look at everyone shall we?

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whysoserious said:
As usual, Jon Stewart and the Daily Show nailed the truth behind the issue:

Crisis in Dairyland - Revenge of the Curds - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/21/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
American Workforce Makeover - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/21/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

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It sucks that we can't embed Daily Show videos!
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I know he's a big liberal, but he's funny. I really enjoyed those. I usually forget to watch him, so thanks. :)
 
randel said:
please don't speak about things you have no understanding of, that being collective bargaining and unions, thankyou. you have your fantasy of what unions are and what dues are spent on, nothing i could say would change your mind, so move along.
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Seems that someone who belongs to the unions doesn't have a clue as to what your union is doing with your money. I find that a lot with liberals who believe what they are told and never verify the rhetoric. Union leadership is making a fool out of you.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
And Wall Street does?

And the auto industry does?

And companies that outsource/offshore "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it?"

Edit: Before bashing on unions, let's look at everyone shall we?

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We have a 3.7 trillioin dollar Federal Budget that costs us all. how much does Wall Street or any other private business cost you? You don't like what a company does, don't buy from them. Try doing tht with your taxes?

The issue here is PUBLIC UNIONS. You do know the difference between public and private unions? How much do those private unions cost you? You paying for their healthcare and pensions?
 
Conservative said:
Seems that someone who belongs to the unions doesn't have a clue as to what your union is doing with your money. I find that a lot with liberals who believe what they are told and never verify the rhetoric. Union leadership is making a fool out of you.
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lol...move along, move along.
 
randel said:
lol...move along, move along.
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Cannot defend your position, I see. That is what liberals always say when challenged. Amazing how foolish the union leadership makes their employees look.
 
randel said:
seriously, what part of 'voluntary' don't you people understand? all political activity is paid for with, i'll say this slowwwwwwwly, voluntary contributions.....
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Honestly? Your UAW gave this voluntarily to the two parties? I guess either the UAW is made up almost exclusively of democrats or the workers weren't asked what party they wanted to contribute to.

Obama Thanks His Friends: Government Spending and Union Support

United Auto Workers Democrats 25,082,200 Republicans 182,700
 
Conservative said:
We have a 3.7 trillioin dollar Federal Budget that costs us all. how much does Wall Street or any other private business cost you? You don't like what a company does, don't buy from them. Try doing tht with your taxes?

The issue here is PUBLIC UNIONS. You do know the difference between public and private unions? How much do those private unions cost you? You paying for their healthcare and pensions?
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Your completely ignoring the issue I bought up. Since you are saying that unions "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it," I am bringing up examples of how Wall Street has screwed over the entire nation, the auto industry as well and also the states in which they resided in as well as companies that outsource and offshore don't "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it." Please address the issue I bought up. So far the US government "had lent, spent or guaranteed as much as $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy" to Wall Street. Source and the defense industry, along with the Pentagon's own crappy cost system, has cost the US taxpayers billions, Source.
 
Also military spending is screwing us over, source, and guess who are the main (economic) beneficiaries of defense spending?

Oh yeah! US defense corporations.
 
Ockham said:
I've stated the reason that's not acceptable --- collective bargaining will nullify the measures taken by union members to pay more into their healthcare and pension fund, and will put at risk the 120 million already approved in a bipartisan effort with the WI Senate. Therefore, collective bargaining has to go and bargaining has to be done at the local level.
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I must have missed where you posted this and your explanation of how “collective bargaining will nullify the measures taken by union members to pay more into their healthcare and pension fund, and will put at risk the 120 million already approved in a bipartisan effort with the WI Senate ”would happen with a signed contract. How about giving me a synopsis?:2wave:
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Your completely ignoring the issue I bought up. Since you are saying that unions "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it," I am bringing up examples of how Wall Street has screwed over the entire nation, the auto industry as well and also the states in which they resided in as well as companies that outsource and offshore don't "give a damn about their own state or how their benefits impact it." Please address the issue I bought up. So far the US government "had lent, spent or guaranteed as much as $12.8 trillion to rescue the economy" to Wall Street. Source and the defense industry, along with the Pentagon's own crappy cost system, has cost the US taxpayers billions, Source.
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No, it is you that misses the point, this is about public unions and their role and responsibilities. It is about who pays them and the results they generate. I did not support the bank bailout but Obama did. Obama then supports the public unions and thus higher taxes on the citizens to pay for them and to get terrible results. Have you checked out the Wisconsin teachers' performance?

Not sure where you get the 12.8 trillion to rescue the economy but if that is the case Obama wasted a lot of money. At least with TARP we got paid back. There was no reason to bail out Wall Street, to take over GM/Chrysler, to bail out Freddie and Fannie, and to overpaying at the Pentagon. None of that justifies public union action in Wisconsin and I stand by my statement. These are public employees paid by the taxpayers. they have a vested interest in the success or failure of the state. Without a state they don't have a job and from what I can see they don't deserve a job now. There are more than 15 million unemployed people across the nation some of whom would be happy to take a job in Wisconsin. Maybe that is wht it is going to take.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Also military spending is screwing us over, source, and guess who are the main (economic) beneficiaries of defense spending?

Oh yeah! US defense corporations.
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So do you have the same outrage over the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars by other departments other than the Defense? Are you really saying that we don't need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget because of that waste, fraud, and abuse? Glad to hear someone condemning the abuse of our taxdollars thus I am sure you have no problem with the income earners keeping more of what they earn thus further tax cuts. Congratulations on finally getting it.
 
Conservative said:
National Federation of Federal Employees was established in 1917 and to the best of my knowledge never had a shutdown or labor unrest thus adhering to FDR's comments which you continue to ignore.
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Whats this little dance about?What comments of FDR that you have put forth have I ignored?The only things of yours that i ignore is the gratious add homms that you like to throw in a post.No big loss there though.
 
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Conservative said:
So do you have the same outrage over the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars by other departments other than the Defense? Are you really saying that we don't need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget because of that waste, fraud, and abuse? Glad to hear someone condemning the abuse of our taxdollars thus I am sure you have no problem with the income earners keeping more of what they earn thus further tax cuts. Congratulations on finally getting it.
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Let's end the waste, fraud and abuse and then see where we are. If we were to get rid of those three things, then there would be more money in everyone's pocket.
 
donc said:
Whats this little dance about?What comments of FDR that you have put forth have I ignored?The only things of yours that i ignore is the gratious add homms that you like to throw in a post.No big loss there though.
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I posted it twice, go back and review my posts on this thread. If nothing else you will learn a thing or two.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Let's end the waste, fraud and abuse and then see where we are. If we were to get rid of those three things, then there would be more money in everyone's pocket.
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That is the entire point, eliminate the waste, fraud, and abuse instead of asking for bigger budgets each year. That never happens with either party. That being the case, I prefer the taxpayer keeing more of their money.
 
Conservative said:
I posted it twice, go back and review my posts on this thread. If nothing else you will learn a thing or two.
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Is that memory thing kicken in again? At least give me approximate page number, are some other clue…if you can remember what it was.
 
donc said:
Is that memory thing kicken in again? At least give me approximate page number, are some other clue…if you can remember what it was.
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I put FDR's comments in bold, shouldn't be hard to find. I knew you had reading problem now the entire thread knows it. FDR's quote came from the letter you posted. I see you either didn't read the letter or cherrypicked the information you wanted out of it. Read the letter again and see what he says about collective bargaining by public unions.
 
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Conservative said:
I put FDR's comments in bold, shouldn't be hard to find. I knew you had reading problem now the entire thread knows it.
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Conservative - this at least the third time I have to point out to you that this is the year 2011 and FDR has been dead for over seventy years now. I guess its progress that; you are fixated on FDR - but you have to accept that he is dead and the nation has moved on.
 
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