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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Their usefulness died with Hoffa


Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

George Santayana said something along those lines. I would urge anyone who thinks there is no need for unions to get hold of a good history book on the rise of Industry in America and begin reading. You will discover that very little changes in human nature making unions very very necessary.
 
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How many times in heaven only knows how many Wisconsin threads have people brought up this garbage from this front group called MacIver Insititute? It has been exposed and thoroughly discredited as presenting bogus lies packaged as truth.

Consider this from One Wisconsin


Be warned: The MacIver Institute is a not a news service. It is not a member of the traditional media. It is a right wing educational “charitable” organization and it is gathering footage to advance its conservative, anti-worker agenda.

Talking to the MacIver Institute is abetting the conservative movement in its efforts to ensure progressive values and issues are not a part of the public policy debate. MacIver has spent considerable time criticizing the 2009-11 state budget, the Recovery Act, reforming the health insurance industry and stopping global climate change.

MacIver is financed and run by leading conservatives, many with long ties to the Republican Party. Speaking on camera with the MacIver Institute helps the conservative movement by giving legitimacy to its faux “reporting,” as its “interviews” are regularly posted on the MacIver website.

WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.

Jensen Ties: Initially, MacIver attempted to distance itself from Jensen, stating through a spokesperson that the former Assembly Speaker has no “formal role” with the organization. An investigation by Eye On Wisconsin's Cory Liebmann revealed that the properties of several initial communications from MacIver included the electronic imprint of Scott Jensen. Milwaukee Magazine also talked with Jensen about his involvement and after a preliminary denial, the reporter wrote “Later, Jensen amended that he is a consultant and his ‘main client’ is Alliance for School Choices.” [Milwaukee Magazine.com, 3/10/09]

MACIVER METHODS
MacIver has begun dispatching a new staffer, former Rock County television reporter Bill Osmulski, to events to film events and create conservative propaganda pieces as “news reports.” These “reports” are put onto the MacIver website and available for public consumption.

ISSUE TARGETS
MacIver hews to the standard conservative lines and its talking points are echoed in the arguments of the state’s leading Republican elected officials. It has referred to the 2009-11 state budget as “$12.8 billion of bad” and “driven by politics and devoid of principle,” has called health insurance reforms at the federal level “budget busting” and has criticized cap and trade. Its top target though, has been the federal Recovery Act and the use of those funds by the state legislature. In repeated postings on its website, MacIver attempts to make the case the legislature and the federal government failed in efforts to solve the economic crisis created by the failed policies of the Bush administration and that the legislature and federal government have failed to create much-needed jobs. [MacIver Institute Website]

CREDIBILITY
Immediately after it hired its phony news “reporter,” MacIver was plunged into controversy when it was confirmed the MacIver staffer had gotten an interview with two elected officials by allowing the two elected officials “to think he was just interviewing the two politicians for a local television station, all three men confirmed...” [Wisconsin State Journal, 9/5/09]

CONSIDERATIONS
One Wisconsin Now supports healthy and vibrant public policy discussions and this rightfully requires public officials to regularly talk with the media. This does not apply to the MacIver Institute, an ideologically-driven organization, created to advance a policy agenda, in this case an ultra-conservative one.

The good news is MacIver can only film and put on its website what an individual says on camera. Any progressive who suddenly finds a MacIver camera thrust in his or her face should consider responding with a smiling response of “I am not interested in speaking with Scott Jensen’s right wing think tank.” As MacIver has been less-than-forthright about Jensen’s potential involvement in its operation, it would be interesting to see if they would post this video on their website.

Not one person has presented any independent verifiable data showing that Wisconsin teachers make - with salaries and benefits - anything approaching this mythical $100K per year figure. Its absurd in the extreme. Perhaps even more absurd is that some people continue to report it. The Big Lie theory is alive and well.
 
A personal belief and the law are two very different things. This is part of a program to repeal most of the 20th century from right winger radicals.

some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended

I understand that would destroy the creeping crud of welfare socialism created by FDR to establish a permanent class of public teat sucklers who have to vote dem or face cold turkey
 
as part of your program to repeal the 20th century political advances for the benefit and behalf of the people of America.

your frantic responses always attempt to pretend welfare socialism is good for the people when in reality its good for getting dem politicians elected while screwing over America's ability to compete in the long run
 
They mean the same thing counselor. And they both make my point.

wrong-you suggested that business support of the parties was hugely in favor of the GOP

that was proven wrong
 
some of us actually think the constitution ought to be applied as written an intended

I understand that would destroy the creeping crud of welfare socialism created by FDR to establish a permanent class of public teat sucklers who have to vote dem or face cold turkey

And some of us believe that we have designated government officials who make these decisions. And YOU are not one of them.
 
your frantic responses always attempt to pretend welfare socialism is good for the people when in reality its good for getting dem politicians elected while screwing over America's ability to compete in the long run

I support a nation where not one single person needs social welfare. I have repeatedly told you this but you continue to lie about my positions.
 
And some of us believe that we have designated government officials who make these decisions. And YOU are not one of them.

what a silly response
 
I support a nation where not one single person needs social welfare. I have repeatedly told you this but you continue to lie about my positions.

yet you support a tax system that guarantees what you claim you do not want

its like saying you oppose people being victims of violent criminals yet calling for complete gun bans
 
I support a nation where not one single person needs social welfare. I have repeatedly told you this but you continue to lie about my positions.

And, you are dreaming. There will always be lazy mother****ers that are too worthless to provide for themselves. And, the Democrats will continue to buy their votes with government handouts. It's the only way that they can get elected.
 
what a silly response

It is silly to point out that your views are irrelevant because YOU are impotent to do anything about them not being on the US Supreme Court?

okay.
 
And, you are dreaming. There will always be lazy mother****ers that are too worthless to provide for themselves. And, the Democrats will continue to buy their votes with government handouts. It's the only way that they can get elected.

Are you saying that you do not support my wish to see a nation where not one person needs social welfare?
 
yet you support a tax system that guarantees what you claim you do not want

its like saying you oppose people being victims of violent criminals yet calling for complete gun bans

Robert DeNiro THE DEERHUNTER

"This is this. This isn't something else. This is this."
 
Are you saying that you do not support my wish to see a nation where not one person needs social welfare?

No, because it's not going to happen. Unlike yourself, I live in the real world and I don't clog my thought process with utopian fantacies.
 
No, because it's not going to happen. Unlike yourself, I live in the real world and I don't clog my thought process with utopian fantacies.

So you DO support a nation that has social welfare?

Its one or the other and you already rejected the only other option.

So, are you advocating one shot, one kill, or what?

That was not the line I quoted.

This is this. This isn't something else. This is this.

Look at that! It even fits your giving me the wrong film scene.
 
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Apparently, only the people that would not be fond of a one party regime in this country.

You mean liberals that support democrats and out of cotrol Union political machine
 
Nothing in this 'source' has any relevant information about the Wisconsin labor situation. NOTHING. Why is it even linked to?

So the fact the source making a claim against conservatives is a liberal source and funded by Soros means nothing? It means the claims of one Wisconsin are not credible
 
Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

George Santayana said something along those lines. I would urge anyone who thinks there is no need for unions to get hold of a good history book on the rise of Industry in America and begin reading. You will discover that very little changes in human nature making unions very very necessary.

Yes we need union thugs and corruption to keep the democats in power. The unions are a corrupt organization
 
How many times in heaven only knows how many Wisconsin threads have people brought up this garbage from this front group called MacIver Insititute? It has been exposed and thoroughly discredited as presenting bogus lies packaged as truth.

Consider this from One Wisconsin




Not one person has presented any independent verifiable data showing that Wisconsin teachers make - with salaries and benefits - anything approaching this mythical $100K per year figure. Its absurd in the extreme. Perhaps even more absurd is that some people continue to report it. The Big Lie theory is alive and well.

A Soros funded source has no credibility
 
So the fact the source making a claim against conservatives is a liberal source and funded by Soros means nothing? It means the claims of one Wisconsin are not credible

Please provide information where the information is false. The devil under the bed or the boogeyman in your closet does not frighten me and I do not react as you do.
 
Yes we need union thugs and corruption to keep the democats in power. The unions are a corrupt organization

please provide proof that unions are corrupt, today.
 
A Soros funded source has no credibility

You really need to prove that claim with actual information, verifiable evidence and authoritative data. Otherwise, its just you being afraid of one of your ideological enemies and rejecting the truth because you do not like the source. That says volumes about you but says not one relevant thing about the evidence you reject.
 
Please provide information where the information is false. The devil under the bed or the boogeyman in your closet does not frighten me and I do not react as you do.

You use a liberal Soros funded source that shows no proof just claims they are conservastive. Your source is showing they are just being political with no facts. How come they do not show what teachers make and show proof
 
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