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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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randel said:
hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
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randel said:
did you read any of my post other than 'working man'? doesnt look like you did....the unions are not the problem here, and i'm sure that they are willing to step up to the plate and pick up more of the costs for their health insurance and pensions....
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Well they had decades to step up to the plate..........and for decades they have stepped up and demanded more.


benefits/pay are not the issue, this governor is hell bent on taking away collective bargaining rights of these unions, he wants to force them to 're-certify' every year, and wants to take away their ability to collect union dues...hence, he is trying to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state....he is trying to union bust.
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God Bless the Governor for it........I hope 49 other Governors follow his lead.

The vast majority of Americans are tired of being raped via property taxes/states taxes/city taxes all in the name of providing Public Sector Union Slobs with their bloated salaries, gold plated health insurance, and diamond inlayed pensions.

Its time to welcome the Public Sector Unions to REAL LIFE..........
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Badmutha said:
Well they had decades to step up to the plate..........and for decades they have stepped up and demanded more.




God Bless the Governor for it........I hope 49 other Governors follow his lead.

The vast majority of Americans are tired of being raped via property taxes/states taxes/city taxes all in the name of providing Public Sector Union Slobs with their bloated salaries, gold plated health insurance, and diamond inlayed pensions.

Its time to welcome the Public Sector Unions to REAL LIFE..........
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let me ask...are all these 'taxes' going to fund the paychecks/benefits of these so called 'union' slobs?
 
randel said:
what union were you in?
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It was AFL CIO I do not remeber exactly what division. Some one told me Regal Ware went out of business but I just looked and they have a web site so I believe they are still in business


It was over 20 years ago when I worked there
 
randel said:
let me ask...are all these 'taxes' going to fund the paychecks/benefits of these so called 'union' slobs?
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You tell me...........

"The Working Union Man of Wisconsin"
]Wisconsin public school employee pay for the 2009-2010 school year - JSOnline

Daniel Nerad District Administrator $198,500 $58,215 100 Madison Metropolitan Sch Dist Madison Metropolitan
Gregory Maass District Administrator $184,000 $55,700 100 Green Bay Area Sch Dist Green Bay Area Sch Dist
James Shaw District Administrator $180,000 $34,193 100 Racine Sch Dist Racine Sch Dist
William Andrekopoulos District Administrator $175,062 $68,303 100 Milwaukee Sch Dist Milwaukee Sch Dist
James Rickabaugh District Administrator $170,850 $42,969 100 Whitefish Bay Sch Dist Whitefish Bay Sch Dist
Paul Kreutzer District Administrator $166,089 $34,660 100 New Berlin Sch Dist New Berlin Sch Dist
Thomas Westerhaus District Administrator $165,626 $42,020 100 River Falls Sch Dist River Falls Sch Dist
Karen Petric District Administrator $164,779 $48,048 100 Whitnall Sch Dist Whitnall Sch Dist
William Hughes District Administrator $163,256 $53,608 100 Greendale Sch Dist Greendale Sch Dist


.....cut from the backs of private workers making much less.
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randel said:
care to address the post? what about that other 3.17BILLION DOLLARS that wisconsin is short? or is that the unions fault to?
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The governor is making hard choices. I am sure this is just one area. Unions have abused power and become a political machine that represents the Democrat party not the workers
 
ptif219 said:
The governor is making hard choices. I am sure this is just one area. Unions have abused power and become a political machine that represents the Democrat party not the workers
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and business are in heavy with the republicans, so what is your point? shouldnt the worker have a voice? a hard choice? he is using the unions as a scapegoat, knowing full well that they are not the main cause of his budget shortfall, but sees it as a chance to stick it to the union....
 
randel said:
and business are in heavy with the republicans, so what is your point? shouldnt the worker have a voice? a hard choice? he is using the unions as a scapegoat, knowing full well that they are not the main cause of his budget shortfall, but sees it as a chance to stick it to the union....
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No he is trying to bring unions in line. In the last few years we have seen destruction of companies by unions abuse of powers. Steel industry and Auto workers, teachers this shows unions care about the money to support democrats.


So democrats do not get money from large companies?
 
ptif219 said:
No he is trying to bring unions in line. In the last few years we have seen destruction of companies by unions abuse of powers. Steel industry and Auto workers, teachers this shows unions care about the money to support democrats.


So democrats do not get money from large companies?
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not in the amounts that republicans do...and please explain to me, as i have never gotten a straight answer when i have asked this question before, why would i, as a union member, intentionally try to run the company i work for out of business, by making outrageous demands? seems to me, if i made them unprofitable, that i could quite possibly, more than likey, screw myself in the process....where is the logic in that?
 
Excerpted from “Are Wisconsin Public Employees over-compensated?” (pdf) By Jeffrey H. Keefe, Economic Policy Institute, February 10, 2011
… [[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]]he data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. …

This earnings gap between public and private sector employees becomes even more significant as workers gain more education. On average, the private sector pays workers with four-year college degrees and advanced degrees substantially more in the form of higher wages and compensation than does the public sector. State and local workers with a bachelor’s degree make 28% less in salary and 25% less in total compensation, while those with a professional degree make 38% less in salary and 36% less in total compensation. In state and local government, workers with a master’s degree earn on average 29% less in salary and 26% less in total compensation, while those with a doctorate earn 30% less in salary and 29% less in total compensation. …

Rather than a cause of excessive compensation, unionization is a counterbalance to downward pressures on compensation. It is well known that taxpayers oppose higher taxes and thus exert considerable pressure on elected representatives to resist increases in compensation, creating a formidable incentive and opportunity to hold government pay below market. Unionization represents a viable legal response to employer labor market power. …
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Sorry, just thought we should inject some facts into the conversation. Now, please continue with the mindless blather about how all those public sector workers are ripping off the good people of Wisconsin.
 
randel said:
hmmm....lets put this in perspective....wisconsin has what? a 3.5 billion dollar hole in the budget, the governor hopes to save 30 MILLION by june, and 300 MILLION over what, 3 years by screwing over the working man? lets see....3.5 BILLION minus 330 MILLION in savings by screwing over the working class...seems to me that that leaves 3.17BILLION HOLE IN BUDGET.... nothing more than an attempt to strip away collective bargaining rights of the union...union busting.
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yet you were praising Obama's scheme to save with Obama care

remind me how much that was supposed to save

why do PUBLIC unions need COLLECTIVE bargaining when PUBLIC sector employment requires basically equal employment
 
Boo Radley said:
I agree. I'm often struck by how much work goes into demonizing poorer and working folk, which amount to small savings, while ignoring larger problems that favor more wealthy persons. Ideally, a serious effort would at least address both, if not favor the backbone, the working person.
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Because poor people hire no one.

Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.
 
Erod said:
Because poor people hire no one.

Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.
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most of us don't demonize the poor-even the poor who are poor for the most common reasons-dropping out of school, doing drugs, committing crimes and having children before they are married. what we demonize are the politicians, enablers and institutions who excuse such behavior and actually encourage the permancy of poverty for political reasons. we tire of being told it is our fault that others fail and we are responsible for funding their failure.
 
Erod said:
Because poor people hire no one.

Doesn't mean I agree with your assessment, but I'm just sayin'.
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Maybe not. But they (poor and working folk) do a lot of the working, building wealth for others in this country. You need those who work just as much as you need those who finanace and hire. In the military I was told an army is only as strong as his private. Same with the working force. All parts hold value.
 
randel said:
not in the amounts that republicans do...and please explain to me, as i have never gotten a straight answer when i have asked this question before, why would i, as a union member, intentionally try to run the company i work for out of business, by making outrageous demands? seems to me, if i made them unprofitable, that i could quite possibly, more than likey, screw myself in the process....where is the logic in that?
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Yet that is what you doing in supporting the illegal strike in Wisconsin. Teachers in Wisconsin get paid well. The part the governoer does not want to bargain is insurance and pension

How much do school teachers in Wisconsin get paid? - True Knowledge

A school-teacher typically earns $46,707 in Wisconsin.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe not. But they (poor and working folk) do a lot of the working, building wealth for others in this country. You need those who work just as much as you need those who finanace and hire. In the military I was told an army is only as strong as his private. Same with the working force. All parts hold value.
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Then the Unions make democrats powerful and keep their campaign funds full of money
 
ptif219 said:
Yet that is what you doing in supporting the illegal strike in Wisconsin. Teachers in Wisconsin get paid well. The part the governoer does not want to bargain is insurance and pension

How much do school teachers in Wisconsin get paid? - True Knowledge

A school-teacher typically earns $46,707 in Wisconsin.
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the governor doesnt want to bargain, or even discuss, his proposal, which not only includes insurance and pension, he wants to strip the union of its right to collective bargain those items in the future, he also wants to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state......
he is using the budget shortfall as an excuse to go after organized labor, bottom line..lets be honest, the increases he wants are only a drop in the bucket of that shortfall...he hopes to save 30 mill by june, and another 300 million over 3years, and the budget is short 3.5 billion or so? please explain how stripping unions of their collective bargaining rights is going to balance that wisconsin budget? lets be serious.
 
randel said:
the governor doesnt want to bargain, or even discuss, his proposal, which not only includes insurance and pension, he wants to strip the union of its right to collective bargain those items in the future, he also wants to turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state......
he is using the budget shortfall as an excuse to go after organized labor, bottom line..lets be honest, the increases he wants are only a drop in the bucket of that shortfall...he hopes to save 30 mill by june, and another 300 million over 3years, and the budget is short 3.5 billion or so? please explain how stripping unions of their collective bargaining rights is going to balance that wisconsin budget? lets be serious.
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No they can get raises according to consumer price index or could have a referendum on a ballot for voters to voter on. He is trying to stop huge union wage increases
 
ptif219 said:
No they can get raises according to consumer price index or could have a referendum on a ballot for voters to voter on. He is trying to stop huge union wage increases
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no, he is trying to bust the unions.
 
ptif219 said:
No he is trying to stop the abuse of power and the rape of taxpayers money
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nope...he could have chose to sit down and talk/negotiate, and see what he could have gotten in the form of concessions...he chose not to do that..he went straight for the jugular, making no attempt whatsoever at communication with those whom his plan would have consequences for...he is trying to union bust.
 
randel said:
nope...he could have chose to sit down and talk/negotiate, and see what he could have gotten in the form of concessions...he chose not to do that..he went straight for the jugular, making no attempt whatsoever at communication with those whom his plan would have consequences for...he is trying to union bust.
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Sounds alot like what Obama did to GM
 
whysoserious said:
Yeah! Damn unions. How dare you raise worker's compensation, make sure conditions are safe, and promote an overall better work environment!?!?

www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/143/bp143.pdf


So evil! They must be destroyed!
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Not destroyed, but a little reality has to set in. The states are swimming in a Red Menace, the country is swimming in a Red Menace, and many of these unions... just like the car companies are a factor in bankrupting us.

[Milwaukee, Wisconsin] MacIver News Service – For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.
http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear//
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Someone pays for this... the taxpayer.

I for one am happy to see the Dems who got their asses kicked hard after The Slim Shady Hope/Change/Tax/Spend socialist cranked up spending and not cutting go public with support... right alongside Pelosi. Perfecto!

I am happy to see the Socialists come out and defend unions. It's a fight they can only lose, as people are fed up with seeing public sector workers make double those in the private sector.

In the words of the Long Face Botox... Bring... It... On.

Walker just defined a good portion of the 2012 fight. Responsibility... getting the state and fed houses in order. He drew the Socialists to the fight like a bug to light. Beautiful.

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Iron Yank said:
Sounds like you'd rather take cheap shots then have an intellectual discussion, but then again maybe your not intellectually capable of that.

I''ll never be so low as to expect others to subsidize my standard of living like many Liberals do, I can earn that myself and I dont need a Union.
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Others subsidize your standard living every day o fthe week and have done so for all of your life and will continue to do so. Thats how it works in a society of 310 million people. We all are in this together. Unless you live isolated on your own island nation -the only cheap shot here is you taking continual ones at people you call 'liberals'. You expressed anger because you had to take hits and now you want others to get hit also. That is not a recipe for success - only FAILURE.

your own words from your post #25


I work in the private sector for a Wisconsin company & 2 years or so ago we took a 10% paycut along with suspension of 401k contributions. 40% of the work force was permanently laid off and had to find employment. Now even today with less wages my property taxes go up drastically every year mostly because of the schools. There are many people in the private sector in this state that can tell similar storys

Tell me sir then why the hell these people should have to pay for State employees cadillac Health & pension plans? when many can hardly make the payment on my house and afford there own plan? These people need to quit there damn whining and take there cut just like most others had to.
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This race to the bottom has to stop and stop today. Instead of wanting to punish your fellow workers because you were punished, you should be in solidarity with them working to stop the downward trends.
 
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