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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Catawba said:
One was from 2005, two were from 2009. They all show Wisconsin is rated higher than the national average. Let's see your "more updated" rankings that show differently?
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of course they would be-Wisconsin has far less of the groups that tend to drag achievement scores down.

its not the teachers,its the demographics
 
randel said:
do you realize this could be over TODAY if the governor would drop the union busting tactics, and negotiate in good faith? he has already been told the unions are willing to make the concessions he seeks....this is a 'crisis' of his own making, all he is seeking to do is break the unions/hurt the democratic party....the whole 'more debt' is a smokescreen to hide his true intentions.
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republicans should bust unions if they can. Unions are a tool of the democratic party busting such tools is sound politically
 
Catawba said:
The new census data backs that up -

"The gap between the wealthiest Americans and middle- and working-class Americans has more than tripled in the past three decades, according to a June 25 report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

New data show that the gaps in after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest parts of the population in 2007 was the highest it's been in 80 years, while the share of income going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level ever.

The CBPP report attributes the widening of this gap partly to Bush Administration tax cuts, which primarily benefited the wealthy. Of the $1.7 trillion in tax cuts taxpayers received through 2008, high-income households received by far the largest -- not only in amount but also as a percentage of income -- which shifted the concentration of after-tax income toward the top of the spectrum."
Income Gap Between Rich and Poor Is Highest in Decades, Data Show
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the lower classes need to work more, breed less and stay in school.

the economy has changed and being big and dumb won't allow one to get good wages anymore.
 
Catawba said:
That was Dick Cheney's pat answer as well.




By tax and economic policies that favor the rich and penalize the middle class such as what is happening in Wisconsin today.
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that's just plain silly

the rich pay far too much of the taxes

but you have a point--in the long run subsidizing the middle and lower classes is sapping them of ambition just as in the long run affirmative action hurts its recipients
 
Catawba said:
A return to the progressive taxes that served the country so well during the 50 year period when we had the best economy with the least debt for the most Americans.
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yet you cannot prove that the confiscatory top rates were responsible for a prosperity mainly caused by the US being the only surviving industrial power after the WWII. you also fail to understand or explain that the top 1 percent didn't carry near the load of the federal income tax.

screwing the rich for the good of the underclass might appeal to people like you but its dishonest and improper
 
Catawba said:
Yeah, that's probably why most of the big corporate money went to the GOP candidates in 2010, right?
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who did they go to in 2008? Corporations tend to back those they expect to have to deal with after the election is over
 
Catawba said:
I have read the history, and I lived through it. Where is the causation, or even a correlation, that shows tax cuts to the wealthy have improved our economy since they were slashed 30 years ago?
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no one can prove tax hikes have helped the country either. given that there is no evidence either way, freedom dictates taxing less
 
Why not replace Obama with Grayson as President? Get rid of Obama he is doing nothing for working people.

Just read these two articles on the economy and you'll see how he is just another Republican who is practicing Reaganomics!

"Second-lowest US wage gain in three decades"
"The Obama administration is spearheading the attack on wages and benefits. It gave the initial impetus by imposing a 50 percent cut in the wages of newly hired auto workers as part of its rescue of General Motors and Chrysler in 2009. It continues to foster high unemployment by rejecting any government hiring programs and refusing to provide aid to state and local governments that are responding to huge budget deficits by slashing jobs and cutting public employee wages, benefits and pensions."

Second-lowest US wage gain in three decades

"Obama’s jobs fraud"
"The attempt to portray an unabashedly pro-corporate agenda as a “jobs program” is also designed to obscure the fact that the Obama administration has pursued a deliberate policy of maintaining high unemployment as a means of forcing workers to accept wage cuts and other concessions. From the beginning of his term in office, Obama has rejected any government hiring program and the administration has now put an end to even the limited “stimulus” measures adopted early on."

Obama?s jobs fraud
 
Kane said:
Why not replace Obama with Grayson as President? Get rid of Obama he is doing nothing for working people.

Just read these two articles on the economy and you'll see how he is just another Republican who is practicing Reaganomics!

"Second-lowest US wage gain in three decades"
"The Obama administration is spearheading the attack on wages and benefits. It gave the initial impetus by imposing a 50 percent cut in the wages of newly hired auto workers as part of its rescue of General Motors and Chrysler in 2009. It continues to foster high unemployment by rejecting any government hiring programs and refusing to provide aid to state and local governments that are responding to huge budget deficits by slashing jobs and cutting public employee wages, benefits and pensions."

Second-lowest US wage gain in three decades

"Obama’s jobs fraud"
"The attempt to portray an unabashedly pro-corporate agenda as a “jobs program” is also designed to obscure the fact that the Obama administration has pursued a deliberate policy of maintaining high unemployment as a means of forcing workers to accept wage cuts and other concessions. From the beginning of his term in office, Obama has rejected any government hiring program and the administration has now put an end to even the limited “stimulus” measures adopted early on."

Obama?s jobs fraud
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You don't have a clue what Reaganomics is. Interesting how many so called experts about Reagan probably weren't old enough during the 80's to know anything about Reagan other than what some leftwing website tells them.
 
This is rich. from galt

But luckily enough for me, my typo reveals a trait of ignorance on your part. I meant to say, "you should really read the Road to Serfdom." Unfortunately, you've never heard (and therefore never read or anything about) the Road to Serfdom, one of the most famous works by one of the most famous (and Nobel laureate) economists, Friedrich Hayek.
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Typo?!?!?!? You leave out an entire word which completely changes the meaning of your sentence and it reveals MY ignorance?!?!?!?! Truly amazing. Yeah, EG, it was just a weird coincidence that I called the road to the coporatist libertarian future The Road To Serfdom. Sheesh. And now you tell me that there was an actual book of the same name... and written by a libertarian icon who is worshipped by the Lew Rockwells and Ron Pauls of this world?!?!?!?! Will wonders never cease!!!!!
 
haymarket said:
What does what I do for a living have to do with your offensive and insulting comment?
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I think he wonders if your constant defense of dem party interests is due to a professional relationsip.
 
donc said:
You had better check your stats out ...its a pay freeze and doesn't effect collective bargaining.
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There is no barganing for 2 years so yes it stops all barganing for 2 years. Do you have proof no contracts happen in that 2 years?
 
randel said:
do you realize this could be over TODAY if the governor would drop the union busting tactics, and negotiate in good faith? he has already been told the unions are willing to make the concessions he seeks....this is a 'crisis' of his own making, all he is seeking to do is break the unions/hurt the democratic party....the whole 'more debt' is a smokescreen to hide his true intentions.
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The democrats are putting the state at risk and may force the Governor to layoff teachers. This shows me the democrats cosider their cash cow the unions more important than taxpayers or voters.
 
ptif219 said:
The democrats are putting the state at risk and may force the Governor to layoff teachers. This shows me the democrats cosider their cash cow the unions more important than taxpayers or voters.
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The dems don't put taxpayers or the good of the nation first.
that's why they created legions of dependent bots to vote dem while their manufacture of teat sucklers degrades the nation
 
haymarket said:
Even if you are right - and I strongly can say you are not right - look at the strategy now. Destroy the unions. So what are we left with? Corporate America taking us on the Road to Serfdom.
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This is the government not corporate America Democrats in Wisconsin will cost state money and will cause layoffs.

Walker's budget address to outline sharp cuts - JSOnline

Meanwhile, Walker said Democrats need to return by Tuesday and pass the repair bill or time would run out on a deal to delay payment of $165 million in state debt to solve the budget problems this year and avoid up to 1,500 layoffs. Democrats denied that, offering a different plan that they said would avoid layoffs.

"Now they have one day to return to work before the state loses out on the chance to refinance debt, saving taxpayers $165 million this fiscal year," Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said. "Failure to return to work and cast their votes will lead to more painful and aggressive spending cuts in the very near future."

Werwie said Walker was giving the Democrats 24-hour notice. He added that the governor will delay sending out layoff notices "as long as possible."
 
haymarket said:
There is no doubt about it. If the right wing corporatists combine with the anti-government crowd - its going to be very very bad for America unless we an stop this and stop it now.
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You mean bad for democrats
 
TurtleDude said:
The dems don't put taxpayers or the good of the nation first.
that's why they created legions of dependent bots to vote dem while their manufacture of teat sucklers degrades the nation
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That is such a packaged, farse of a statement. You couldn't squeeze any more rhetoric into it if you had a news show on Fox. Here's how easy it is to counter that:

The republicans create their little bots to vote for them while getting paid nothing to live in a trailer park. Come on man, you're better than that, right? You can debate without mindless rhetoric.
 
apdst said:
Do you even understand what trickle down economics is?
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Judging by your description below, I understand it much better than you do.

I'm in the trucking business. When I needed a tire replaced, or fixed, I would call a guy that has his own tire service business and pay him $80 a wheel to take care of it, for me. Since The Messiah killed the oilfield, I have to do my own tire work, because I can't afford to pay that tire man to do it for me. That's $80 he doesn't have in his pocket, anymore.

One of my trailers blew an airbag last week. A few years ago, I would have sent my driver to the shop and paid $200 in labor to get it fixed; that's trickle down economics. Now, I have to keep that $200 in my pocket and fix it myself.

Before The Messiah killed the oilfield, the oil companies had to call on me to haul their equipment, because they're in the oil business, not the trucking business. When they called me, I got paid. I had to pay drivers to drive the trucks and I paid them. That's trickle down economics.
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Nothing you just stated has the slightest thing to do with trickle down economics, but it does help explain why you vote against your own interest.

Here is a link to learn about trickle down economics.



PS: Heres a link for what you thought was trickle down Economics.
 
ElijahGalt said:
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010 | OpenSecrets

Let me try one more time. YOU'RE WRONG. Read the link. The top ten donors or "heavy hitters" supplied billions to both parties, but tilted democrat in ALL the top ten entities except TWO, which tilted evenly to both sides. The majority of the top ten were not just tilting a little bit towards the democrats, they were tilting A LOT. It figures. The moral and political agenda of a democrat uses far more governmental interventionist powers than the republican. And big business or a big union LOVES an interventionist central government.
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Your link does not give separate data for the year 2010 which is what my statement was about.
 
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