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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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Ockham said:
CEO's paychecks are not cut by the government out of tax money, while public employees are paid through tax money, as are union negotiated contracts, benefits, healthcare, etc. Therefore, define "decent salary", and is that the same as "big salaries" as you described or are we talking about two different things?
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Isn't this fun? Liberals cannot defend their position thus they run when confronted.
 
Catawba said:
I would like to see your proof?

Because that has not been the case with the tax cuts given to the wealthy and corporations over the last decade in the US as a whole.
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Why would anyone provide you with proof because you would ignore it anyway?

Use the non partisan bea.gov to see economic growth after tax rate cuts by the Reagan and Bush Administrations. I asked haymarket for an answer and he refused so how about you telling me what you believe the fair share of taxes should be for those evil rich people and corporations that employ people?
 
Conservative said:
In hopes of making a better return on their investment than they would get out of a savings account. Where do you think the hedge funds get their money?
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From the same place teachers get their money, from us taxpayers (investors), they just make 800,000 times more.

So you have no problem with hedge fund managers making millions, but you think teachers are overpaid for getting $75,000, which includes their benefits?
 
Conservative said:
Not sure that the FDR paper was in the last ten pages but suggest you find that paper and see what the "Father of liberalism" said about public unions. There is nothing that prevents public unions from being heard but when the leadership of that union demands from elected Representatives of the taxpayer that they provide public unions with better benefits than the private sector and then directs campaign contributions to representatives that support unions, there is something wrong with that picture.
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I'd like to compare health benefits packages with you or any employee within the private sector and see if this is really true. I doubt it, however. For example, the amount of my compensated care for hospital stays longer than 30-days has decreased over the years. My insurance policy no longer covers vision care directly; it's now an additional $24.95 per month for coverage that's not incorporated into my main healthcare provider coverage, yet my premium remained the same. I don't get overtime and my travel reinbursements (whenever I do travel which was seldom to begin with) has been drastically reduced. So, from someone who's seeing this cuts at the state level first hand knowing how much I get paid, I fail to see how my salary and benefits eclipse those of the private sector. Believe me when I say I'm living paycheck to paycheck just like very body else.

Scott Walker ran on the platform he is implementing in Wisconsin and the election results gave him the authority to do what he said he would do. As we were told by Obama elections have consequences, "we won, you lost" except now when the election results went against the unions in Wisconsin. Public unions have no business having collective bargaining rights and FDR agrees.
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Using your logic, I can tell you to stop your bitching concerning Pres. Obama. But...

Fact is, yourself and just about every other Conservative out there hate Unions whether public or private. I'll give you that many unions have become more like lobbyist, but that doesn't mean that all unions are bad for business or the people they represent. Some have done good work to ensure fairness in pay, employment opportunities and health and safety standards for those they represent. If the issue is perceived "over-reach", might I suggest you and others who share your perspective address those issues accordingly with the unions and their counterparts. But attempting to silence them and/or destroy them while proclaiming to "get your financial house in order" just doesn't seem to be of the proper accord. Governors should be able to work on their budget problems while also pulling back some of the perceived "over-reach" they believe unions have without destroying them and, effectively, removing any voice state employees have. Doing so would, in effect, create state-sponsored dictatorships. That's wrong no matter how yourself and others try to defend it!!
 
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Catawba said:
So you have no proof of your claim?
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I'm not to get sidetracked on this issue. If you don't think that tax cuts stimulate the economy, I don't care. Take it up with your Congressmen in Washington.

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Catawba said:
From the same place teachers get their money, from us taxpayers (investors), they just make 800,000 times more.

So you have no problem with hedge fund managers making millions, but you think teachers are overpaid for getting $75,000, which includes their benefits?
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So you have a problem with people investing their money into hedge funds? I have no problem at all with hedge fund managers making millions, why do you? Still waiting for you to tell me what you believe the fair share is that the rich should pay in taxes? All I see from liberals like you is class warfare and a total lack of understanding of how our economy works.
 
Catawba said:
So you have no proof either?
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I gave you the site to verify economic growth but instead as with all liberals you want someone else to do the work for you. go to the site and learn a few things then you won't look so foolish.
 
Objective Voice said:
I'd like to compare health benefits packages with you or any employee within the private sector and see if this is really true. I doubt it, however. For example, the amount of my compensated care for hospital stays longer than 30-days has decreased over the years. My insurance policy no longer covers vision care directly; it's now an additional $24.95 per month for coverage that's not incorporated into my main healthcare provider coverage, yet my premium remained the same. I don't get overtime and my travel reinbursements (whenever I do travel which was seldom to begin with) has been drastically reduced. So, from someone who's seeing this cuts at the state level first hand knowing how much I get paid, I fail to see how my salary and benefits eclipse those of the private sector. Believe me when I say I'm living paycheck to paycheck just like very body else.


Using your logic, I can tell you to stop your bitching concerning Pres. Obama. But...

Fact is, yourself and just about every other Conservative out there hate Unions whether public or private. I'll give you that many unions have become more like lobbyist, but that doesn't mean that all unions are bad for business or the people they represent. Some have done good work to ensure fairness in pay, employment opportunities and health and safety standards for those they represent. If the issue is perceived "over-reach", might I suggest you and others who share your perspective address those issues accordingly with the unions and their counterparts. But attempting to silence them and/or destroy them while proclaiming to "get your financial house in order" just doesn't seem to be of the proper accord. Governors should be able to work on their budget problems while also pulling back some of the perceived "over-reach" they believe unions have without destroying them and, effectively, removing any voice state employees have. Doing so would, in effect, create state-sponsored dictatorships. That's wrong no matter how yourself and others try to defend it!!
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I assure you that Scott Walker will do what he was elected to do and if the unions don't change, thousands of public union employees will be fired and rightly so.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the site to verify economic growth but instead as with all liberals you want someone else to do the work for you. go to the site and learn a few things then you won't look so foolish.
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Did you give the standard government charts that show growth after tax cuts? While carefully not showing the growth after tax increases? Do you still play this silly game after having all your arguments shown to be false in this line?
 
MaggieD said:
I'm not to get sidetracked on this issue. If you don't think that tax cuts stimulate the economy, I don't care. Take it up with your Congressmen in Washington.]
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Certainly, and you should refrain from making claims you cannot prove.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the site to verify economic growth but instead as with all liberals you want someone else to do the work for you. go to the site and learn a few things then you won't look so foolish.
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You are the one that made a claim but no proof to back it up. I am not doing your homework for you. But don't bother yourself. We've already seen what ten years of tax cuts to the wealthy accomplish. The wealthy get more wealthy.
 
Redress said:
Did you give the standard government charts that show growth after tax cuts? While carefully not showing the growth after tax increases? Do you still play this silly game after having all your arguments shown to be false in this line?
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Both are there for all to see that is what makes the numbers credible. The problem is liberals don't seem to know when rate cuts went into effect and tax increases were recinded. Interesting that people seem more concerned about tax revenue than they do about actual spending. Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? I am even fighting for you to keep more of what you earn. You have a problem with that?
 
Catawba said:
You are the one that made a claim but no proof to back it up. I am not doing your homework for you. But don't bother yourself. We've already seen what ten years of tax cuts to the wealthy accomplish. The wealthy get more wealthy.
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LOL, tax cuts for the wealthy? Aren't you working? If so you got tax cut and because of the Bush tax cuts 47% of people earning 50,000 or less are no longer paying any taxes and the rich share of taxes went up. You don't want your tax cut? Send it back.

Don't blame you for not going to the bea site as it is easier buying the liberal rhetoric even though it makes you look like fool.
 
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Conservative said:
Both are there for all to see that is what makes the numbers credible. The problem is liberals don't seem to know when rate cuts went into effect and tax increases were recinded. Interesting that people seem more concerned about tax revenue than they do about actual spending. Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? I am even fighting for you to keep more of what you earn. You have a problem with that?
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Ah yes, not addressing anything I said. That growth after the tax increase under Clinton did not happen, right? There is only one factor that influences growth, right?
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, tax cuts for the wealthy? Aren't you working? If so you got tax cut and because of the Bush tax cuts 47% of people earning 50,000 or less are no longer paying any taxes and the rich share of taxes went up. You don't want your tax cut? Send it back.

Don't blame you for not going to the bea site as it is easier buying the liberal rhetoric even though it makes you look like fool.
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How have the tax cuts to the wealthy helped the economy since the 80's?
 
Redress said:
Ah yes, not addressing anything I said. That growth after the tax increase under Obama did not happen, right? There is only one factor that influences growth, right?
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There are plenty of factors in economic growth, too bad Obama doesn't understand any of them and the results are quite telling.
 
Conservative said:
There are plenty of factors in economic growth, too bad Obama doesn't understand any of them and the results are quite telling.
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So then, just showing a chart of economic growth after tax cuts proves nothing. Thank you for agreeing, and awaiting anxiously when you promptly do it again, since this has been pointed out to you repeatedly.
 
Catawba said:
How have the tax cuts to the wealthy helped the economy since the 80's?
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Since 1980 the economy has grown to 14.5 trillion dollars, how do you explain it? In 1980 the GDP was 2.8 trillion. Why do you care what someone else pays in taxes? Still waiting for you to tell us all how much the rich should pay in taxes and what percentage of the taxes?
 
Redress said:
So then, just showing a chart of economic growth after tax cuts proves nothing. Thank you for agreeing, and awaiting anxiously when you promptly do it again, since this has been pointed out to you repeatedly.
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How do you explain tax revenue growing after tax rate cuts of both Reagan and Bush? How do you explain JFK's comments on tax cuts? Only four times in modern history have tax rate cuts been made in the U.S. and every time revenue went up, why?
 
Conservative said:
How do you explain tax revenue growing after tax rate cuts of both Reagan and Bush? How do you explain JFK's comments on tax cuts? Only four times in modern history have tax rate cuts been made in the U.S. and every time revenue went up, why?
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How do you explain tax revenue growing after the tax increases under Clinton? How do you explain tax revenue growing in the absence of any change to tax rates?
 
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