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Walker takes broad swipe at public employee unions

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What is positive is that this isn't a zero sum game and the pie keeps getting bigger.

Thats what the bakery owners keep telling us. Sad these is that they get to eat the nice cherry pies and all we get is an occasional sniff of the pits.
 
Those are projections that are seldom right, but for argument sake let's say they are right, if you had a shortfall projection what would you do with your personal finances? Spend at the same level or cut spending. Wht is causing the debt right now is 15 million unemployed Americans not paying much in Federal Taxes and Obama doing nothing to promote the private sector to create jobs.

Here are the expenses paid for by the Federal Income taxes, tell me which ones can be cut. You say the govt. "needs" X amount of money, why?

I cannot agree with you on either part. What is causing our debt is a mixture of tax breaks, pointless wars, and maintaining a massive military all over the world, as well as other general problems like defense corps overcharging us for the equipment.

Also I say the gov needs X amount of $$ because X represents how much money the government needs to cover its expenses.
 
whysoserious;1059305202]I am not in the habit of proven people who are full of it wrong. They are full of it so it stands by itself. I don't need to do work. Do your own research, pal.

Hey, Pal. I have done the research. Just think of what a hero you could be by proving me wrong? You think I would post data here that was wrong?

Also, I got my information from the CIA, and I'll take their math over yours anyday. Let me see my choices:

CIA? Wht the hell does the CIA know about economic issues? The Treasury Dept is the checkbook of the United States. I can see why you have no interest in going to the checkbook.

Conservatives who will disagree with anything against his party vs the CIA website.

I'll take CIA.gov. Again, the CIA did a study by percent of GDP we rank 44th in the world in education spending. Sorry if that upsets you. Take it up with the CIA


Well there you have it, folks, the Central Intelligence Agency, the agency that said that Saddam Hussein having WMD was a slamdunk is now an expert on education spending. Do you realize how foolish you look?
 
Depends on how much the people he hired needed a job or if it was at a higher pay than they had before. They may think they are the biggest beneficiaries. Oh, you think the boss should earn less than his employees. That's just silly thinking :)

When did I ever say that the boss should earn less than his/her employees?

Please, show me.

Edit: Also the people at the top are the main beneficiaries because they are the one's who get major bonuses and stock options when the corp increases its value
 
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Very serious flaw here...you see it's the SPENDING that causes dabt.....

Allowing someone to keep more of THEIR money does not increase debt...

So you propose to give those same bankers and hedge fund managers more in tax cuts that are added to our debt? How does that make sense?
 
Mr. Invisible;1059305216]I cannot agree with you on either part. What is causing our debt is a mixture of tax breaks, pointless wars, and maintaining a massive military all over the world, as well as other general problems like defense corps overcharging us for the equipment.

The facts seem to prove you wrong. You can go to the BEA.gov and get the tax revenue AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts and see govt. revenue rising. Wars are an expense, military bases are an expense, but not tax cuts. Why are you afraid to keep more of your own money?

Also I say the gov needs X amount of $$ because X represents how much money the government needs to cover its expenses.


Ever hear the saying that what you want often gets in the way of what you need? What the govt. "needs" is often confused with what they want. I assure you we don't need a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt. That military budget that you are so angry about is about 700 billion dollars and according to the Constitution that is the role of the federal govt, defense. Do the math, that is 20% of the budget. Tax revenue more than funds that.
 
Tax cuts don't cause debt, spending does? When you get more take home pay is that an expense to the govt?

This outright lie needs to be exposed. People who repeat it need to be publicly called out and the equivalent of getting a bucket of cold ice water in their face.

Just about every husband in America knows that if they came home one day and told their wife that they have made a choice to only work part time from now on and they will have to get by on half the income but its only a matter of adjusting their spending what would be the reaction. "Sorry baby, but its you problem and its not my fault." Cutting your income when you cannot now make ends meets is insanity of the worst order. The fact that it is right wing gospel taken as communion before their altar of worship rivals the Kool-aid of Jim Jones and his wacko religion.

There are TWO sides to every budget. Live with that knowledge.
 
The market is not free because the minority that is currently in control is going to make sure that they stay in control. For example, let's say there is a Walmart in my town, yet I want to have a store that also sells general goods. I can go and make that store yes, but I will eventually lose because Walmart can afford to have dirt cheap prices, as where I cannot.

No one's saying you can make it if you make stupid choices for a business or where to have that business. If you want a store near wal-mart you have to offer something they don't, like high end goods.
 
Look, it's THEIR money, I have NO idea why that is so hard for Lefty to grasp.

So you are saying that taxpayer money belongs to the corporations?
 
donc;1059305208]Yes if the majority of the employees vote for a union shop.

Since public unions are funded by the taxpayers they are the ones that should decide whether they want public unions and in November they supported Walker who is doing exactly what he said he would do.



Its called UNION solidarity.Now tell me why someone gagging in the polluted air of Houston Texas is so concerned about a Union in the badger?

Apparently you don't know the difference between public and private unions. So union shops don't pollute? Interesting, where is your proof?
 
Look, it's THEIR money, I have NO idea why that is so hard for Lefty to grasp.

And I guess it is also their
roads
streets
mail service
police protection service
fire department service
school system
and hundreds of other things that THEIR MONEY pays for in a civilized society.

Some of it is your money. Some of it is due to the government that legally represents all of us in society.

Short reality: IT AIN'T ALL YOUR MONEY. You are not a freakin island nation responsible to nobody else but you. If you want it that way, start shopping in the international market for such a place.
 
The facts seem to prove you wrong. You can go to the BEA.gov and get the tax revenue AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts and see govt. revenue rising. Wars are an expense, military bases are an expense, but not tax cuts. Why are you afraid to keep more of your own money?

After Bush tax cuts: "The new CBO data show that changes in law enacted since January 2001 increased the deficit by $539 billion in 2005. In the absence of such legislation, the nation would have a surplus this year. Tax cuts account for almost half — 48 percent — of this $539 billion in increased costs." source
 
haymarket;1059305230]This outright lie needs to be exposed. People who repeat it need to be publicly called out and the equivalent of getting a bucket of cold ice water in their face.

Making the same wild claims like you do all the time doesn't make it true. How is you keeping more of what you earn an expense to the Federal Govt.? Do you realize how stupid that statement is?

Just about every husband in America knows that if they came home one day and told their wife that they have made a choice to only work part time from now on and they will have to get by on half the income but its only a matter of adjusting their spending what would be the reaction. "Sorry baby, but its you problem and its not my fault." Cutting your income when you cannot now make ends meets is insanity of the worst order. The fact that it is right wing gospel taken as communion before their altar of worship rivals the Kool-aid of Jim Jones and his wacko religion.

There are TWO sides to every budget. Live with that knowledge


My bet is that even you has a budget. If your spending is cut then what do you do with spending? How do you explain tax revenue going up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts? Liberals are just economically challenged.

It is frustrating that I am here defending you keeping more of what you earn. How much of the Bush tax cut have you sent back to the govt. since they need the money more than you?
 
LOL....how much of my money do you want?

You are free to call anyone out you wish..but you will end up with egg on your face.

Your premise is that ALL money is the Gov's....it isn't.

This outright lie needs to be exposed. People who repeat it need to be publicly called out and the equivalent of getting a bucket of cold ice water in their face.

Just about every husband in America knows that if they came home one day and told their wife that they have made a choice to only work part time from now on and they will have to get by on half the income but its only a matter of adjusting their spending what would be the reaction. "Sorry baby, but its you problem and its not my fault." Cutting your income when you cannot now make ends meets is insanity of the worst order. The fact that it is right wing gospel taken as communion before their altar of worship rivals the Kool-aid of Jim Jones and his wacko religion.

There are TWO sides to every budget. Live with that knowledge.
 
Hey, Pal. I have done the research. Just think of what a hero you could be by proving me wrong? You think I would post data here that was wrong?

Christ. Fine.

Teacher Salaries by State
According to this website, in 2008-09 the median teacher salary nation wide was higher than it is now in Wisconsin.

The average teacher salary nationwide is $52,308

USATODAY.com - Teachers paid an average salary of $46,752, survey finds
Teachers paid an average salary of $46,752, survey finds

This is in '05. The average salary in '05 was $46,752. Wisconsin's? $42,882.

0-2 on the first findings for you.

Earn More! Average Teacher Salary in Wisconsin, WI Teaching Salaries
Wisconsin ranked 24th in teacher's salary in '09 which is a drop in rankings of 6 from '07 when they were ranked 18th. That makes you 0-3.

So, I don't know what else you want me to do.


CIA? Wht the hell does the CIA know about economic issues? The Treasury Dept is the checkbook of the United States. I can see why you have no interest in going to the checkbook.

You do realize the CIA has people in all different fields right? Research, stats, etc.


Well there you have it, folks, the Central Intelligence Agency, the agency that said that Saddam Hussein having WMD was a slamdunk is now an expert on education spending. Do you realize how foolish you look?

So because one guy in the CIA (Tenet) said something dumb you discredit years of their work? All the work they did to take down the Russians (that you no doubt give all the credit to Reagen)? Again, why would the CIA's math not be better than yours?

The day you can find the present value of an increasing perpetuity by hand is the day we'll talk about your math skills.

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If trusting the CIA's math over yours makes me look foolish, then oh well. I'll stay foolish.
 
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After Bush tax cuts: "The new CBO data show that changes in law enacted since January 2001 increased the deficit by $539 billion in 2005. In the absence of such legislation, the nation would have a surplus this year. Tax cuts account for almost half — 48 percent — of this $539 billion in increased costs." source

CBO makes projections BEA.gov captures the data as does the Treasury Dept. Both show govt. revenue increasing. What the CBO does is take the number of employed and applies the tax cuts to their owed amount now and claim deficit. They ignored the 9 million new taxpayers created by the economy. Seems that the CBO is used when you believe it supports your point of view but ignore it when it doesn't, i.e healthcare law.
 
It sure is....and when you resort to roads and bridges and all the rest of it you've lost.

Nobody can SPEND more than they have...including the Gov.

If I make 5 bucks I can't spend 7 for very long.

THE LIBERAL CHICKENS.......HAVE COME HOME TO ROOOOOOOST!!!!


Your way is done.....thinking American's know it.

And I guess it is also their
roads
streets
mail service
police protection service
fire department service
school system
and hundreds of other things that THEIR MONEY pays for in a civilized society.

Some of it is your money. Some of it is due to the government that legally represents all of us in society.

Short reality: IT AIN'T ALL YOUR MONEY. You are not a freakin island nation responsible to nobody else but you. If you want it that way, start shopping in the international market for such a place.
 
You didn't respond to what I rebutted
.

Your rebuttal did not address my post.

You claimed the middle class was suffering as a direct result of income inequality.
Yes, I've provided Census data that confirms that one-sixth of the nation is now under the poverty line.

as to the new worry of yours, the poverty figures, do you mean the international poverty line or the U.S. poverty line?

The US census data is for the US. In 2009 for a family of 4, the poverty line was $21,756.

I lived in poverty, according to the U.S. poverty line. And I can tell you, it did NOT concern me. Some of the best years of my life looking back.

Most American living in poverty do not share in your joy.

Besides, I just pointed you to what raises the most people out of poverty the fastest:

Yeah, well that hasn't worked so let's try something different.


[
I]The point at which the poor start entering the middle class by the millions is the time when poor countries get the maximum benefit from cheap labour through international trade, before they price themselves out of world markets for cheap goods[/I]


So, it is you solution to make the American middle class work for the same wages as the poor countries? Is that all we need to do to compete? LOL!

Well the one party system the corporations are working towards should assist you in that goal!

That's not my theory, that's based on the middle class wiki citing the Economist.

Well, I've seen that trickle down theory in practice for the last 40 years and we are much worse off that we were when we were before the middle class got hosed in favor of the super-rich.

Jesus man, we have world economies emerging from the dark ages of central planning clearly evidencing the power of the market, and we STILL have people covering their eyes screaming they don't see it? What? This is NOT partisan, this is about real life.

Why would we welcome the destruction of the middle class???
 
=whysoserious;1059305256]Christ. Fine.
Teacher Salaries by State
According to this website, in 2008-09 the median teacher salary nation wide was higher than it is now in Wisconsin.

Good lord, Man, do you understand that benefits are income?

ou do realize the CIA has people in all different fields right? Research, stats, etc.

Let me know where those WMD's are?
 
CBO makes projections BEA.gov captures the data as does the Treasury Dept. Both show govt. revenue increasing. What the CBO does is take the number of employed and applies the tax cuts to their owed amount now and claim deficit. They ignored the 9 million new taxpayers created by the economy. Seems that the CBO is used when you believe it supports your point of view but ignore it when it doesn't, i.e healthcare law.

Would you be willing to link me to the BEA.gov and Treasury info, to prove your point?
 
Conservative; said:
Then prove me wrong.

LOL! He already has. Do you mean again????
 
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