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EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

Why is it that when the government ignores it's already existing policies and fails to act- which ultimately leads to a tragedy or defilement of nature, etc, people cry "why wasn't something DONE!"

But when an agency or branch actually ACTS against such activity everyone bitches about that!

From a better article:

You got that right.
 
Because some right wing people view the government with as much irrational contempt as some left wing people view corporations.

Well - at least we know that the left and right are heard relatively even over time :shrug:

If it came all from one individual I suppose it would be baffling.
 
Destroying the energy industry? How were the profits of those energy companies the last few decades?
You right wingnuts really do live in a world devoid of all reality.

Exxon Mobil profit nearly doubles - Jul. 29, 2010

Arch Coal profits nearly triple, CFO Robert Messey announces retirement | St. Louis Business Journal

Center for Environment, Commerce & Energy: Peabody Coal Company Profits Up in 4th Quarter of 2008

FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - Exxon and Shell profits surge

Exxon and Shell profits surge

By Sylvia Pfeifer in London and Sheila McNulty in Houston

Published: October 28 2010 19:18 | Last updated: October 29 2010 01:01

Two of the world’s biggest oil companies reported sharply higher third-quarter results on Thursday, fuelled by stronger crude prices and better refining margins.

ExxonMobil, the largest oil company in the US by market capitalisation, beat analyst expectations by posting a 55 per cent jump in third-quarter earnings to $7.4bn, compared with the same quarter in 2009.

How many drilling permits have you seen lately? Where's all that oil from the "War for Oil" we were suppose to get according to the left? I'm waiting.
 
How many drilling permits have you seen lately? Where's all that oil from the "War for Oil" we were suppose to get according to the left? I'm waiting.

Two-Thirds of Federal Oil and Gas Drilling Permits Sat Idle in 2010
By PHIL TAYLOR of Greenwire
Published: January 13, 2011


Oil and gas companies drilled fewer new wells on public lands in 2010 than in any other year over the past decade, leaving nearly two-thirds of their drilling permits unused, according to federal records obtained by Greenwire.
More News From Greenwire


The Bureau of Land Management issued 4,090 drilling permits in fiscal 2010, but oil and gas operators drilled 1,480 new wells, using about 36 percent of permits issued.


How did oil company profits fare after we invaded Iraq? It's about oil profits not oil
for Americans..

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2010/gb2010034_232444.htm
 
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Destroying the energy industry? How were the profits of those energy companies the last few decades?
You right wingnuts really do live in a world devoid of all reality.

Exxon Mobil profit nearly doubles - Jul. 29, 2010

Arch Coal profits nearly triple, CFO Robert Messey announces retirement | St. Louis Business Journal

Center for Environment, Commerce & Energy: Peabody Coal Company Profits Up in 4th Quarter of 2008

FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - Exxon and Shell profits surge

Exxon and Shell profits surge

By Sylvia Pfeifer in London and Sheila McNulty in Houston

Published: October 28 2010 19:18 | Last updated: October 29 2010 01:01

Two of the world’s biggest oil companies reported sharply higher third-quarter results on Thursday, fuelled by stronger crude prices and better refining margins.

ExxonMobil, the largest oil company in the US by market capitalisation, beat analyst expectations by posting a 55 per cent jump in third-quarter earnings to $7.4bn, compared with the same quarter in 2009.

You know how much tax revenue the government stands to make from all that? How stupid would it be to shut it down?
 
You're right. Last November, the people spoke.

They speak every election, but the quality of people in government remains constant.
 
They speak every election, but the quality of people in government remains constant.

You're right, to an extent, but I think there was a stark improvement this go-round.
 
You know how much tax revenue the government stands to make from all that? How stupid would it be to shut it down?

Shut what down? Do you honestly believe the government wants to shut down the energy industry? Seeing that the government is in the pocket of big energy I kind of doubt it.
 
Shut what down? Do you honestly believe the government wants to shut down the energy industry? Seeing that the government is in the pocket of big energy I kind of doubt it.

In case you haven't noticed, they're doing just that.
 
You're right, to an extent, but I think there was a stark improvement this go-round.

A lot of people thought the same thing in '06 when the other party was thrown out. It won't be long when you realize that nothing has changed. The truth is republicans are no better than democrats. History has proven that over and over again.
Was this your first election?
 
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In case you haven't noticed, they're doing just that.

Temporarily shutting down one mine because the company wouldn't follow environmental regulations is not shutting down the energy industry. It's government doing it's job to protect its citizens.
Did you forget to take your medication today? You seem to be a little delusional.
 
Temporarily shutting down one mine because the company wouldn't follow environmental regulations is not shutting down the energy industry. It's government doing it's job to protect its citizens.
Did you forget to take your medication today? You seem to be a little delusional.

You be sure and let me know when that mine re-opens and go back into production. K?

BTW, how many drilling permits have been issued since the moratorium ended? A grand total of two.
 
You be sure and let me know when that mine re-opens and go back into production. K?

BTW, how many drilling permits have been issued since the moratorium ended? A grand total of two.

I'm surprised you came in here with that crap Harry, this was just recently in the news.
 
You be sure and let me know when that mine re-opens and go back into production. K?

BTW, how many drilling permits have been issued since the moratorium ended? A grand total of two.

The only reason it won't go back into production if it isn't profitable.
If the moratorium prevents another disaster then it did it's job. There were 2 deepwater permits issued since it expired. How many deepwater permits would have been issued without the moratorium?
 
I'm surprised you came in here with that crap Harry, this was just recently in the news.

Don't you think it's better for everyone to prevent oil spills in the first place instead of cleaning them up after they happen?
Thousands of new drilling permits have been issued all over the country. After the BP spill it was wise to make sure new deep water wells were safe.
 
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Don't you think it's better for everyone to prevent oil spills in the first place instead of cleaning them up after they happen?

Hundreds of oil wells and a handful of oil spills over many years does not make it a national disaster.
 
I'm surprised you came in here with that crap Harry, this was just recently in the news.

This was the question.
How many drilling permits have you seen lately?
Not how many permits were issued after the moratorium expired. Or deepwater permits.
Please pay attention.
 
The only reason it won't go back into production if it isn't profitable.
If the moratorium prevents another disaster then it did it's job. There were 2 deepwater permits issued since it expired. How many deepwater permits would have been issued without the moratorium?

5-6 a month; for both deep water and shallow water drilling. To date, there have only been two
 
Hundreds of oil wells and a handful of oil spills over many years does not make it a national disaster.

The BP oil spill wasn't a disaster? Then why were you all crying that the federal government wasn't doing enough to stop the leak or clean up the mess.
 
5-6 a month; for both deep water and shallow water drilling. To date, there have only been two
This week’s announcement that 13 oil companies can resume activity in the Gulf of Mexico provided some hope the Obama administration might finally begin to approve drilling new permits. It couldn’t come soon enough.

Since the administration’s drilling moratorium was lifted in October, deep-water permit issuance is down 88 percent with only two new permits in that time. It’s only slightly better for shallow-water permits, which weren’t subjected to the moratorium, but are still down 11 percent.

Do you really want everything business as usual after the BP spill?
 
The BP spill proved that deepwater drilling is not safe.
 
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