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EPA shuts down one of the largest Coal Mines in U.S.

winston53660 said:
The people who are working on the renewables and manufacturing them and bringing them to the market like the Chinese are.
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The Chinese are extracting coal, building coal fired plants, building nuclear power plants, drilling for oil offshore, building the biggest dams on this planet, developing solar energy, enforcing conservation, and researching other renewables and alternatives. In other words the Chinese are taking a full spectrum approach.

Leftists do not propose that America emulate China's full tilt boogey approach. Instead, leftists insist on renewables and alternatives only. Leftists won't allow the development of American natural resources or nuclear power plants. There hasn't been a nuke plant built in this country in around thirty years.

Yeah, I'm happy to let the Chinese take the lead if it means that the American left's objectives are frustrated. That's what happens when you refuse to bargain with me. Give me something as a quid pro quo for the development of renewables and alternatives. If you don't have anything to offer us there is nothing more to talk about.
 
winston53660 said:
And the price of tea in China is?
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The Left is killing jobs, in the middle of a depression, because of their ideology.

Point is, if Obama wants to have a chance in hell of getting re-elected, he needs to figure out a way to make the EPA happy and keep those miners working.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
The Chinese are extracting coal, building coal fired plants, building nuclear power plants, drilling for oil offshore, building the biggest dams on this planet, developing solar energy, enforcing conservation, and researching other renewables and alternatives. In other words the Chinese are taking a full spectrum approach.

Leftists do not propose that America emulate China's full tilt boogey approach. Instead, leftists insist on renewables and alternatives only. Leftists won't allow the development of American natural resources or nuclear power plants. There hasn't been a nuke plant built in this country in around thirty years.

Yeah, I'm happy to let the Chinese take the lead if it means that the American left's objectives are frustrated. That's what happens when you refuse to bargain with me. Give me something as a quid pro quo for the development of renewables and alternatives. If you don't have anything to offer us there is nothing more to talk about.
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So you support government takeover of the energy sector like the Chinese? That's a little leftist, don't you think?
 
Is it starting to dawn on you leftists that both left and right have the ability to completely frustrate the objectives of the other side?

That's right. If you don't have something to offer us, we will sandbag you. Learn it, live it, love it.
 
apdst said:
The Left is killing jobs, in the middle of a depression, because of their ideology.

Point is, if Obama wants to have a chance in hell of getting re-elected, he needs to figure out a way to make the EPA happy and keep those miners working.
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The leftists have trouble when reality intrudes. Haha.
 
Dirty Harry said:
So you support government takeover of the energy sector like the Chinese? That's a little leftist, don't you think?
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I support the idea of sandbagging the left unless they give us a quid pro quo. That's the way life works. Elections have consequences.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
I support the idea of sandbagging the left unless they give us a quid pro quo. That's the way life works. Elections have consequences.
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Sounds to me like you are a communist. Maybe you should move to China where environmental laws are lax, government owns big business and runs the energy sector.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Sounds to me like you are a communist. Maybe you should move to China where environmental laws are lax, government owns big business and runs the energy sector.
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When the government takes over the energy industry in the United States, watch the environmental laws go out the window.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Sounds to me like you are an undergraduate.
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Man, what a witty retort.
You seem to believe China is doing everything right. You do know they are still communist, don't you? Like China, maybe we should stop wasting hundreds of billions of dollars rebuilding other countries and spend it rebuilding our own country. That part I agree with.
 
How funny. I wonder if people would be less concerned about the price at the pump and more concerned about the quality of the water supply if they lived near those rivers. It's interesting how political perception can be so easily shaped by where you are geographically located in relation to an issue.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Man, what a witty retort.
You seem to believe China is doing everything right. You do know they are still communist, don't you? Like China, maybe we should stop wasting hundreds of billions of dollars rebuilding other countries and spend it rebuilding our own country. That part I agree with.
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Undergrads don't understand the difference between Marxism and Leninism and Mercantile Capitalism. That's why they call China a communist country.
 
CriticalThought said:
How funny. I wonder if people would be less concerned about the price at the pump and more concerned about the quality of the water supply if they lived near those rivers. It's interesting how political perception can be so easily shaped by where you are geographically located in relation to an issue.
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Perception is also affected by employment status.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Undergrads don't understand the difference between Marxism and Leninism and Mercantile Capitalism. That's why they call China a communist country.
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You really don't have a clue, do you? Where did you graduate from?
In the 1949 revolution, China's economic system was officially made into a communist system. Since the wide-ranging reforms of the 1980s and afterwards, many scholars assert that China can be defined as one of the leading examples of state capitalism today
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. It's still a communist nation.
The Communist Party of China (CPC), also known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is the founding and ruling political party of the People's Republic of China
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It sure as hell isn't capitalism. Only a fool believes that. The communist government owns the energy sector.

China is still a communist nation.
 
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CriticalThought said:
How funny. I wonder if people would be less concerned about the price at the pump and more concerned about the quality of the water supply if they lived near those rivers. It's interesting how political perception can be so easily shaped by where you are geographically located in relation to an issue.
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Seems to me, that a responsible government, that isn't already hell bent on destroying the energy industry, to save it's agenda, would have figured something out. A responsible government, that is.
 
winston53660 said:
Yawn, so Arch Coal won't pony up 55 cents to prevent permanent damage
and puts people out of work. What loyal and great Americans they are huh:roll:
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Yawn, another liberal hack rant. Yeah, we're so sure it was only 55 cents and ended there. Sure, got another one?
 
apdst said:
Seems to me, that a responsible government, that isn't already hell bent on destroying the energy industry, to save it's agenda, would have figured something out. A responsible government, that is.
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Destroying the energy industry? How were the profits of those energy companies the last few decades?
You right wingnuts really do live in a world devoid of all reality.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news/companies/Exxon/index.htm

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/04/21/daily4.html

http://cenvironment.blogspot.com/2009/01/peabody-coal-company-profits-up-in-4th.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca58ad0e-e2bc-11df-8a58-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1BgEdy2wJ

Exxon and Shell profits surge

By Sylvia Pfeifer in London and Sheila McNulty in Houston

Published: October 28 2010 19:18 | Last updated: October 29 2010 01:01

Two of the world’s biggest oil companies reported sharply higher third-quarter results on Thursday, fuelled by stronger crude prices and better refining margins.

ExxonMobil, the largest oil company in the US by market capitalisation, beat analyst expectations by posting a 55 per cent jump in third-quarter earnings to $7.4bn, compared with the same quarter in 2009.
 
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apdst said:
Seems to me, that a responsible government, that isn't already hell bent on destroying the energy industry, to save it's agenda, would have figured something out. A responsible government, that is.
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A government is no better than the people it represents. So let's hear your ideas.
 
Why is it that when the government ignores it's already existing policies and fails to act- which ultimately leads to a tragedy or defilement of nature, etc, people cry "why wasn't something DONE!"

But when an agency or branch actually ACTS against such activity everyone bitches about that!

From a better article:
After extensive scientific study, a major public hearing in West Virginia and review of more than 50,000 public comments, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) today announced that it will use its authority under the Clean Water Act to halt the proposed disposal of mining waste in streams at the Mingo-Logan Coal Company’s Spruce No. 1 coal mine.
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Aunt Spiker said:
Why is it that when the government ignores it's already existing policies and fails to act- which ultimately leads to a tragedy or defilement of nature, etc, people cry "why wasn't something DONE!"

But when an agency or branch actually ACTS against such activity everyone bitches about that!

From a better article:
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Because some right wing people view the government with as much irrational contempt as some left wing people view corporations.
 
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