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Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

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Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter | Raw Story

Maddow destroys GOP fantasy that more guns equals less violence

Six people were killed and 14 more were injured when a gunman opened fire on an event outside a Tucson Safeway Saturday.

The tragedy could have been even worse had an armed bystander not thought twice before shooting the hero that disarmed Jared Loughner, the alleged shooter.

"I carry a gun so I was -- I felt like I was a little bit more prepared to do some good and than maybe somebody else would have been," Joe Zamudio told MSNBC's Ed Schultz Monday.

"As I came out of the door of the Walgreens, sir, I saw several individuals wrestling with him and I came running. I was already at a full sprint and you know, there's no time to think about anything," he explained.

"I saw another individual holding the firearm. I kind of assumed he was the shooter. So I grabbed his wrist and you know told him to drop it and forced him to drop the gun on the ground. When he did that, everybody says, no, no, it's this guy."

"Did you ever think in drawing your firearm or you made the determination you didn't have to?" Schultz asked.

"Sir, when I came through the door, I had my hand on the butt of my pistol and I clicked the safety off. I was ready to kill him. But I didn't have to do that and I was very blessed that I didn't have to go to that place," Zamudio replied.

"I would have shot the man holding the gun," he added.

"You would have used that firearm," Schultz pressed.

"You're damn right," Zamudio said.

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Well it's a damned good thing he thought before he acted.
 
I hear nothing but crickets out there. :mrgreen:
 
So a liberal talk show host is trying to argue that a guy showing up at the last minute with a gun somehow destroys the argument that had there been armed citizens there that the nutjob could have been stopped before shooting as many people?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
I hear nothing but crickets out there. :mrgreen:
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Hmm?

An educated and armed person is TAUGHT to 'think before you act' anyway - he's showing exemplary knowledge and self control as opposed to letting your emotions control your actions.
 
jamesrage said:
So a liberal talk show host is trying to argue that a guy showing up at the last minute with a gun somehow destroys the argument that had there been armed citizens there that the nutjob could have been stopped before shooting a bunch of people?
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Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
 
Wiseone said:
Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
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True - which is why the importance of thinking pre-action is extremely EXTREMELY important.
 
Wiseone said:
Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
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How many masss shooting occur in gun free zones? I think you're forgetting the deterence factor. Do these nutjobs walk into a biker bar and shoot the place up? What about a police station? Or, anywhere else where the victims are likely to be armed and ready to shoot back?
 
Wiseone said:
Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
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And being there a minute earlier he could have used that fire arm to shoot the nutjob and it might have only been a couple of people shot. It seems the OP as well as the OP's link are trying to use a story of a gun owner exercising control to fuel some anti-2nd amendment agenda.
 
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Wiseone said:
Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
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here's an example of a human with free will showing that he is able to make a judgement that shooting someone isn't required and decided not to shoot anyone. so you try to use it as an example of how it's dangerous for law abiding, free thinking individuals to be armed.

-1 to this guy's credibility.
 
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apdst said:
How many masss shooting occur in gun free zones? I think you're forgetting the deterence factor. Do these nutjobs walk into a biker bar and shoot the place up? What about a police station? Or, anywhere else where the victims are likely to be armed and ready to shoot back?
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That's not really my point. My point is simply that not having positive identification can lead to unintended consequences, I'm not trying to say anything biased or political about weapons, I'm only trying to speak the truth. I'm from Arizona, I own a weapon, and I love my state's gun laws and culture.

None of that, including wherever you are, changes the fact that a man with a firearm can do just as good as harm, either intentionally or unintentionally.

We're both Soldiers, I'm just talking about the importance of positive identification of the enemy and the possible things that can go wrong if its not achieved.
 
Zyroh said:
here's an example of a human with free will showing that he is able to make a judgement that shooting someone isn't required and decided not to shoot anyone. so you try to use it as an example of how it's dangerous for law abiding, free thinking individuals to be armed.

-1 to this guy's credibility.
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See my post right below yours, I'm not trying to do anything political here.
 
jamesrage said:
And being there a minute earlier he could have used that fire arm to shoot the nutjob and it might have only been a couple of people shot. It seems the OP as well as the OP's link are trying to use a story of a gun owner exercising control to fuel some anti-2nd amendment agenda.
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The link certainly is, but I'm not.
 
He had the wrong weapon. He should have had a knife handy. A knife doesn't riochet.

I think some of the Barney Fifes here would have gotten so excited they would have been shooting like a sprinkler. This kid knew he didn't need to shoot at someone already on the ground with several wrestling with him. It was pretty obvious.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I hear nothing but crickets out there. :mrgreen:
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that's because one incident hardly destroys anything. the anti gun lesbian loon is just full of it
 
Wiseone said:
That's not really my point. My point is simply that not having positive identification can lead to unintended consequences, I'm not trying to say anything biased or political about weapons, I'm only trying to speak the truth. I'm from Arizona, I own a weapon, and I love my state's gun laws and culture.

None of that, including wherever you are, changes the fact that a man with a firearm can do just as good as harm, either intentionally or unintentionally.

We're both Soldiers, I'm just talking about the importance of positive identification of the enemy and the possible things that can go wrong if its not achieved.
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you guys have a better argument for disarming cops

do some research and find out which group misses the bad guys more and hits more innocents

cops or armed citizens?
 
Wiseone said:
Regardless of what point he's trying to make its a undeniable reality that having a fire arm can make a case of mistaken identity extremely more consequential.
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and not having a firearm can lead to massive deaths

such as Fort Hood among others
 
TurtleDude said:
you guys have a better argument for disarming cops

do some research and find out which group misses the bad guys more and hits more innocents

cops or armed citizens?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at but I get the feeling you still think I want to add to existing gun laws, in which I guess I really don't know how make my point any clearer.
 
TurtleDude said:
and not having a firearm can lead to massive deaths

such as Fort Hood among others
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Both tragic situations could have been diverted or avoided completely if they pursued MENTAL HEALTH intervention.
Arizona - in fact - has more legal means than Texas to intervene in this area.

What makes a person like this tick and break?
What are the warning signs?

A mentally imbalanced person is a mentally imbalanced person - whether he as a gun or a toothpick - sooner of later he'll use it (usually on himself) but sometimes on others.

The only true prevention is knowledge - and a damned crystal ball.
 
pbrauer said:
Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter | Raw Story
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"I saw another individual holding the firearm. I kind of assumed he was the shooter. So I grabbed his wrist and you know told him to drop it and forced him to drop the gun on the ground. When he did that, everybody says, no, no, it's this guy."

Something smells very fishy here.I heard an interview with one of the guys who tackled him. They scooted the gun out of reach and someone picked it up and was told to put it back down and he did and put his foot on it.
 
What this should tell everyone is that if you ever shoot the bad guy lay you weapon down and make no sudden moves until police come and sort things out, and avoid a domino effect and be shot by another armed citizen.

I thought about this a lot when I was in AZ carrying a gun all the time.
 
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