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This sums up today's youth

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I think the kids were wrong, however swinging the club at the kids when they weren't violent wasn't right either. I have no problem with the man destroying the RC car, but not with swinging a club at non-violent young men. What the young men did was disrespectful. They probably didn't know this, but greens are very expensive to maintain, golfers also pay good money to use a course. I think both parties were wrong on this one. Sure young kids can be punks, but many seniors can be jerks, working in a pharmacy allows me to experience this firsthand.
 
It's fun to watch some of the old people on this board talk **** about 'today's youth' when this forum is rife with both liberal and conservative youths who are lawyers, artists, scientists etc. However I guess when you need something to bitch about anything will do.
 
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He pushed the old man as he ran to the car, he initiated physical violence. He could have justified hitting him back with the club, taking the kid down, breaking his arm, even shooting in the extreme.

The kids are dorks. Pulling pranks and then getting confrontational about it can get you hurt or killed. Sorry. I would defense any ruling in that way in this case.
 
Punks aren't people. They are punks. And punks, gt hammered. After a hammering, most learn and BECOME people. Those that don't, or are denied such a hammering because "oh they have rights" end up in prison.

Problem is assault with a deadly weapon makes you the punk and the criminal.These kids may be obnoxious idiots, but they didn't break the law.
 
Problem is assault with a deadly weapon makes you the punk and the criminal.These kids may be obnoxious idiots, but they didn't break the law.


Actually they did.

Tresspassing, assuming they were not club members.
Public disorderly conduct: initiating a confrontation through asshat behavior.
Assault: the punk pushed the old man first.

So yeah, they could be guilty of various crimes.

The old guy didn't HIT the punk with the club... but he probably could have. He was just scaring him off.
 
Actually they did.

Tresspassing, assuming they were not club members.
Public disorderly conduct: initiating a confrontation through asshat behavior.
Assault: the punk pushed the old man first.

So yeah, they could be guilty of various crimes.

The old guy didn't HIT the punk with the club... but he probably could have. He was just scaring him off.

I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.
 
Punks aren't people. They are punks. And punks, gt hammered. After a hammering, most learn and BECOME people. Those that don't, or are denied such a hammering because "oh they have rights" end up in prison.

I have a feeling that the justice system wouldn't see it that way.
 
I agree that it was mildly humorous until the kids got all pissy about their little RC car getting smashed. It's cause and effect. If you do something like that, you should expect that your little toy will be destroyed.
 
I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.

See folks, people just damned dishonest. Wherein did i say DEADLY FORCE? No where.
 
Kids shouldn't have done it, old guys shouldn't have smashed it, old guys DEFINITELY shouldn't have taken a swing at them then chased them around waving a golf club.

Given the last action, I rule on the side of the kids, although they should get some s*** too.

I don't know where you've been for the past hundred years, kids have been doing this kind of thing for YEARS (messing around). It's by no means a modern thing. It's actually quite disturbing that people think my generation are a bunch of evil punks. At worst we're couch potatos.

At least the kids got off Facebook for a while and breathed some fresh air ;) if you want to complain about this generation then claim about the state of the music world. It's a corporate waterhole now, whereas it used to mean something.
 
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He swung at him with a golf club, that's what makes the elderly gentlemen worse than the teens.
 
Actually they did.

Tresspassing, assuming they were not club members.
Public disorderly conduct: initiating a confrontation through asshat behavior.
Assault: the punk pushed the old man first.

So yeah, they could be guilty of various crimes.

The old guy didn't HIT the punk with the club... but he probably could have. He was just scaring him off.

It looked like a public golf course, as you can see it isn't fenced up or anything, and it's right off the main road in the video.
 
See folks, people just damned dishonest. Wherein did i say DEADLY FORCE? No where.

The elderly gentleman looked as though he swung relatively hard. If he hit him right, and hard enough, he could have killed him quite easily.
 
I was arguing against Mr V's attitude that deadly assault is okay against "punks" because they don't have rights. Morally, the kids were out of line and they deserved to have their RC car smashed. If the old guys had shoved the kids around a bit, no big deal, but you don't swing a club against an unarmed guy. As far as your charges go, they don't hold water except possibly the trespassing charge. The smashing of the car started the confrontation, and while justified, it it still isn't legal. If you want that lame-ass excuse for a push to qualify as assault, that swing is going to be a lot worse.


Actually, pushing someone with hostile intent could be battery, instead of assault. Assault is any physical posturing that puts another person in fear of attack, like balling up a fist and stepping within range, whether an actual swing follows or not. IF someone does that, you can deck them right there... you don't have to wait for the actual swing, they've already committed "assault".

If this went to court, probably the old man and the punk would be charged with assault and probably other things. The old man will probably claim self-defense, because the punk pushed him first and got in his face with a demonstration of hostile verbage and body language.

Which way it would go is hard to say. The old man might be held justified in using the golf club because of the age difference: young and strong vs old and relatively fragile. That is often the case... its why women often are held justified in using a weapon against an unarmed male attacker.

The pursuit of the punk by the old man would be the worst aspect against him, as it would be considered going beyond self-defense.

IMO the odds are the punk would be convicted of assault and public-disorderly or tresspass. The old man would probably be convicted of assault as well, mainly because of chasing the young man.

That's my semi-professional analysis.

On the whole, though, my sympathies are with the old golfers. They were minding their own business.

As I said, though, if it had been me I probably would have laughed it off and told them to go play in traffic.
 
So some kids being idiots, and moving a golf ball 8 feet is cause for the guy to take a swing at them with a golf club? Yeah, I don't think so. What the kids did was stupid, but if that guy made contact, he could be facing jail time.

How old are you? You seem as though you're the same age as the punks.
 
There was a lot of stupidity involved on the part of the young guys and the old men both.

It was a dumb (and rude) prank to pull in the first place.

The old guys escalated things buy smashing the car (though I see it as justified).

The young guys were stupid to get all pissy about their toy getting broken.

The one old guy definitely crossed a line when he took a swing at them with the golf club.

All in all, there wasn't a lot of intelligence displayed by either group in that video. It was a group of young guys being assholes, and a group of old guys responding by being assholes too.
 
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i think the faulty assumption that everyone is making is that the old guy woulda hurt the kid. he didn't even swing the golf club hard and didn't aim for the head. the worst the kid woulda got was a well deserved bruise that's gone in a couple days. not to mention we don't tend to through grumpy old guys in jail, just look at the record. swing away old man, you've earned the right.
 
It looked like a public golf course, as you can see it isn't fenced up or anything, and it's right off the main road in the video.

just because there isn't a fence doesn't mean it isn't a private course. there are several private courses in my local area and none of them are "fenced up" and a couple of them are right off main roads.
 
most of the same people defending these punks are the same ones who were crying because that 69 y/o black dude didn't get thrown in jail for fatally shooting a young thugged out POS who ran into his yard and assaulted him.

lesson for all you young, wannabe, badass punks out there, **** around with an old man and you might just get the **** beat out of you...or worse. just because he looks old and helpless, doesn't mean he is.
 
most of the same people defending these punks are the same ones who were crying because that 69 y/o black dude didn't get thrown in jail for fatally shooting a young thugged out POS who ran into his yard and assaulted him.

lesson for all you young, wannabe, badass punks out there, **** around with an old man and you might just get the **** beat out of you...or worse. just because he looks old and helpless, doesn't mean he is.

Old people are going to expire soon anyway. Young people have their whole lives ahead of them.
 
Old people are going to expire soon anyway. Young people have their whole lives ahead of them.

yep, and for some of them it is a whole life of being a worthless, POS, drag on society, scumbag criminal. better to end those now.
 
How old are you? You seem as though you're the same age as the punks.

How does this matter? Does age validate opinion? I suspect you believe Your Star is bias towards the young men because of her age. Likewise, it would be wrong for us to believe you are bias towards the older men because of your age (no offense, and I'm not calling you old or a senior citizen). Age doesn't matter. The point is that the senior men were swinging a club at the young kids when they were not being violent. a Club injury like that could be fatal. Sure what the young men did was wrong and immature, but it didn't warrant lethal violence against them.
 
yep, and for some of them it is a whole life of being a worthless, POS, drag on society, scumbag criminal. better to end those now.

People change.
 
Why don't more people thank me here? I hand out thanks left and right, but rarely recieve them?
 
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