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Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim

Lord Tammerlain said:
Actually the tread is more about so called death panels.

The sort that we are told will come from Obama care. The US already has "death panels" either decided by the insurance company, medicare/medicaid, a person own lack of financial resources to pay for health care requirements.

I have known that Arizona was cutting its funding assistance for Organ transplants for a few weeks, and it was reported that some of the 99 people on the funding list will most likely die because funding was not going to be avaliable for the transplants.
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Funny...your only comment was... "Where was the charity we are told would assist people like this?"

You either knew about this case before the woman died or you didnt. if you did and did nothing...shame on you. If you DIDNT and then posted it in the name of gotcha partisan sniping, well...shame on you again. Did you? Did this womans very existence even MATTER to you until you could use her death to score some sort of political point?
 
VanceMack said:
Funny...your only comment was... "Where was the charity we are told would assist people like this?"

You either knew about this case before the woman died or you didnt. if you did and did nothing...shame on you. If you DIDNT and then posted it in the name of gotcha partisan sniping, well...shame on you again. Did you? Did this womans very existence even MATTER to you until you could use her death to score some sort of political point?
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That being said when the article in the OP is dripping with emotional pleas, misleading statements and a frivolous abandon of facts only to lead to the end in which it discusses the 'importance of donating to charities for said cause'

I'm a bit frustrated with trying to debate this - because some essential facts to truth are protected (as they should be).
 
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VanceMack said:
Funny...your only comment was... "Where was the charity we are told would assist people like this?"

You either knew about this case before the woman died or you didnt. if you did and did nothing...shame on you. If you DIDNT and then posted it in the name of gotcha partisan sniping, well...shame on you again. Did you? Did this womans very existence even MATTER to you until you could use her death to score some sort of political point?
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The specific person I had no idea

That Arizona cut this funding and that has put the lives of 99 people at risk I did.

It was posted to point out the idiocy of complaining about potential "death panels" when they already exist. Of the ones complaining about death panels are generally the ones against universal health care and generally point out that charity would take care of those in need. This case points out that charity is not going to do the job.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The specific person I had no idea

That Arizona cut this funding and that has put the lives of 99 people at risk I did.

It was posted to point out the idiocy of complaining about potential "death panels" when they already exist. Of the ones complaining about death panels are generally the ones against universal health care and generally point out that charity would take care of those in need. This case points out that charity is not going to do the job.
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I see...so your comments had NOTHING to do with your post. well...that at least makes more sense.

So WITH your very in depth knowledge of Arizonas death panels...do you really and truly maintain that Jan Brewer is the person responsible for denying this person a transplant? And apparently...these processes DO exist...so when that debate was raging did you take the "yes they already exist and its not going to change" position or the "no...there arent any such things called for in government run health care programs" position? My memory just doesnt seem to recall anyone pointing to the current existence of death panels...I must have missed those posts.
 
CriticalThought said:
Big surprise. The state of Arizona values human life at $14,000.
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The average human body is composed of the following elements:

# 65% Oxygen
# 18% Carbon
# 10% Hydrogen
# 3% Nitrogen
# 1.5% Calcium
# 1% Phosphorous
# 0.35% Potassium
# 0.25% Sulfur
# 0.15% Sodium
# 0.15% Chlorine
# 0.05% Magnesium
# 0.0004% Iron
# 0.00004% Iodine

Additionally, it was discovered that our bodies contain trace quantities of fluorine, silicon, manganese, zinc, copper, aluminum, and arsenic. Together, all of the above amounts to less than one dollar!
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$14,000.00 dollars? Damn, I thought that all those 600 dollar hammers were grossly overpriced, but this takes the cake. That's our government at work, folks. :mrgreen:
 
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ksu_aviator said:
What makes you think its the government's job to assist in transplants to begin with?
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What makes you think that a person relying on a benefit that he was told would help him should die?
 
mike2810 said:
I am addressing those that feel AZ should pay for the transplant for people who have no insurance or can't afford it. IMO many people in the US who want govt financed transplants are not donners themselves.
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Anything at all to support that?
 
What I found:

90% of Americans say they support donation, but only 30% know the essential steps to take to be a donor.

Donate Life America

Would seem a lack of knowledge and not support or willingness is the larger problem.
 
If a person needs a transplant they are most likely very sick and unemployable. How does any one expect them to pay for insurance much less the cost of a transplant?
 
winston53660 said:
If a person needs a transplant they are most likely very sick and unemployable. How does any one expect them to pay for insurance much less the cost of a transplant?
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Good question.
 
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