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In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

No one needs to teach teens how to have sex. They have a way of figuring it out on their own. The problem is teaching teens to have sex safely, while at the same time telling them that abstinence is still a better option. That last message is lost in modern media that depicts casual sex as the norm.

Teaching them the truth about STDs helps, except that teens seem to have "oh, it won't happen to me" attitude toward any sort of risk, from AIDS to car crashes.

Meanwhile, values are taught in the home, and the values taught by unprepared teen parents are likely to result in more teen parents. It's a vicious circle.

And the question becomes how to discourage abortion, while at the same time discouraging people who can't raise children from having them. There are no simple answers to that one, are there?
No. I understand wanting to teach teens about safe sex and contraceptives based on the assumption that teens will have sex anyway. The problem, as I see it, is making the information available without making it look like it's tacit encouragement of kids having sex before they should. If sex ed actually encourages teens to have sex, then that only contributes to the problem and these abortion numbers seem to suggest that's actually what's happening. I do totally agree with the part I bolded.
 
healthy f-a-m-i-l-i-e-s

hello

tragically too few in new york, bringing great sorrow to many of us

Then it appears with these numbers the Reps attempt has been about successful as the Dems attempt, correct?

And it if it your assertion that unhealthy families have unplanned pregnancies would that include a upper middle class family like the Palins?
 
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NYC has one of the most comprehensive free condom programs imaginable.



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They're handed out everywhere like candy, for free. In addition, every bodega on every block has condoms for sale.

The high abortion rates in NYC have nothing to do with a lack of availability of condoms.
I live in NYC and have not heard of this, lol.
 
Then it appears with these numbers the Reps attempt has been about successful as the Dems attempt, correct?

the american family is tragically troubled a long time now

it comes down to values, they're changing

And it if it your assertion that unhealthy families have unplanned pregnancies would that include a upper middle class family like the Palins?

no family is perfect

pray for gabby giffords and hers
 
Then it appears with these numbers the Reps attempt has been about successful as the Dems attempt, correct?

And it if it your assertion that unhealthy families have unplanned pregnancies would that include a upper middle class family like the Palins?

Healthy families have unplanned pregnancies too. The difference is that healthy families love the unplanned children just as much as the planned ones.

My last grandson was not supposed to have been born as soon as he was. There is less than a year and a half between him and his older brother, after all. Still, that doesn't mean he is any less loved and cherished as the other children. That's what healthy families do.
 
Healthy families have unplanned pregnancies too. The difference is that healthy families love the unplanned children just as much as the planned ones.

My last grandson was not supposed to have been born as soon as he was. There is less than a year and a half between him and his older brother, after all. Still, that doesn't mean he is any less loved and cherished as the other children. That's what healthy families do.

How can one not love a child. This thread has taken many turns but I question such posts here that state Planned Parenthood would take money from people who indicated they wanted it spent to abort black babies.
If that is so then perhaps PP is an abortion machine afterall. But what is pushing these people to have so many abortions? It isn't a pleasant procedure for the female and just can't buy this is their contraception.
Really haven't seen any suggested solutions other than "healthy families" and just how is that accomplished.
 
How can one not love a child. This thread has taken many turns but I question such posts here that state Planned Parenthood would take money from people who indicated they wanted it spent to abort black babies.
If that is so then perhaps PP is an abortion machine afterall. But what is pushing these people to have so many abortions? It isn't a pleasant procedure for the female and just can't buy this is their contraception.
Really haven't seen any suggested solutions other than "healthy families" and just how is that accomplished.

Planned Parenthood a 'minority abortion machine'... Here's how you can find out for yourself :
- Call a planned parenthood
- Ask to speak to someone in charge
- Tell them "I'm sick of all the bad families of minorities making so many babies that become gangsters and so I want to donate money to help stop this problem from perpetuating."

Listen to the response that you get... but not just the response (which odds are better then 50-50 that you'll get someone that agrees with you), but listen to HOW they respond...


Also, it's absolutely disgusting, I don't remember where I read that, but I saw this study where they asked high school kids about contraceptives and the percentage was in the area of 10% of high school kids will list 'abortion' as a contraceptive.
 
If the New Yorkers were exercising personal responsibility they would use condoms or birth control pills. But condoms don't feel as good do they? This statistic is evidence of a weak culture.

Its a weak culture within all this nation. Goddamn women are stupid for not using a condom.
 
They're in New York City.

I wouldn't want to have a child there, either - it's ridiculously expensive just to live as a married childless couple with TWO incomes. Personally - I fail to see how poor people can pull it off even WITH government assistance.

The place should be ashamed for gutting everyone from so much money - it's inexcusable.
 
I hate to break the news to you, Gray Fox, but all those women you've been seeing with Penises?

They're really men.
I hate to break the news to you, Gardener, but all this tough talking will lead to you eventually being slapped.

You suck, go back to the kitchen and make ME a ham sandwhich.
 
They're in New York City.

I wouldn't want to have a child there, either - it's ridiculously expensive just to live as a married childless couple with TWO incomes. Personally - I fail to see how poor people can pull it off even WITH government assistance.

The place should be ashamed for gutting everyone from so much money - it's inexcusable.

I am not sure if what I have heard on the news is 100% accurate. And tourists normally do not know where to shop. And you can always find locals who will complain about whatever. I still think for a city of that stature NYC still remains affordable to most middle class. Whereas other cities like Rome, Madrid are ridiculously expensive for anything.
 
Obviously, since a no life is more important than another, this is a holocaust. What are you going to do to the Nazis?
Gee, Sir, what are you trying to do? Incite me to act violently? Is that just what liberals do or what? BTW, you violated Godwin's Law. LOL
 
I am not sure if what I have heard on the news is 100% accurate. And tourists normally do not know where to shop. And you can always find locals who will complain about whatever. I still think for a city of that stature NYC still remains affordable to most middle class. Whereas other cities like Rome, Madrid are ridiculously expensive for anything.

My sister lived there for a few years after she graduated college - She worked for Sax 5h Avenue as a buyer, earned $32.00 an hour - and that netted her barely enough to buy a tiny no-room apartment. She had a fold-away bed to sleep on in the living-area, a tiny bathroom - a tiny kitchen.

To live in New York she lived like a rat in a cage.

Every time we talked on the phone our conversation would be drowned out by the sound of sirens outside - it was dangerous and disasterous to live there.

Have a kid in that environment? **** no.
 
They're in New York City.

I wouldn't want to have a child there, either - it's ridiculously expensive just to live as a married childless couple with TWO incomes. Personally - I fail to see how poor people can pull it off even WITH government assistance.

The place should be ashamed for gutting everyone from so much money - it's inexcusable.

How exactly is that the city's fault? Should we institute price controls on everything? If people are willing to pay X, that's not the city's fault.

My sister lived there for a few years after she graduated college - She worked for Sax 5h Avenue as a buyer, earned $32.00 an hour - and that netted her barely enough to buy a tiny no-room apartment. She had a fold-away bed to sleep on in the living-area, a tiny bathroom - a tiny kitchen.

To live in New York she lived like a rat in a cage.

Every time we talked on the phone our conversation would be drowned out by the sound of sirens outside - it was dangerous and disasterous to live there.

Have a kid in that environment? **** no.

How long ago was this? NYC is the safest large city in the country.
 
How can one not love a child.

I don't know, but lots of people manage it. How many little children are abused, abandoned, and neglected? How many fathers run off when they hear the great news of impending fatherhood? How can a mother throw a baby into a dumpster? It happens.
 
I don't know, but lots of people manage it. How many little children are abused, abandoned, and neglected? How many fathers run off when they hear the great news of impending fatherhood? How can a mother throw a baby into a dumpster? It happens.
That's an interesting observation, I've heard stories like that. If a mom puts her newborn in a dumpster and the baby dies, is it murder?
 
How long ago was this? NYC is the safest large city in the country.

I felt that it was long ago as well. Perhaps she lived there in the 80s. Those times were dangerous especially in a city like NYC. Nowadays everything is safe....too safe. There is no more spice to NYC. It has becomed to plastic like most of Europe. Its why I prefer cities like Chicago. Actually yeah, Chicago is the only good city in the states.
 
How can one not love a child. This thread has taken many turns but I question such posts here that state Planned Parenthood would take money from people who indicated they wanted it spent to abort black babies.
If that is so then perhaps PP is an abortion machine afterall. But what is pushing these people to have so many abortions? It isn't a pleasant procedure for the female and just can't buy this is their contraception.
Really haven't seen any suggested solutions other than "healthy families" and just how is that accomplished.
You have to understand a lot of people are scum. Especially when they are young. They will do things that most mature minded people would resent. But then again, those who do bad things while young would still be doing bad things as they get older.
 
That's an interesting observation, I've heard stories like that. If a mom puts her newborn in a dumpster and the baby dies, is it murder?

Yes generally it is
 
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