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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

ummmm, maybe they haven't started recovering it yet.

Here is what the oil executives had to say about it in their report, Strategic Energy Policies for the 21st Century:

"The American people must know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems."

"As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."


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Nobody can tell you anything you don't want to hear, and you know it, so why this overacting? Want sympathy, a hug...

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Not from you. :vomit:
 
Here is what the oil executives had to say about it in their report, Strategic Energy Policies for the 21st Century:

"The American people must know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems."

"As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."


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Thanks for the quote, but it has zero relevance to my post. I never claimed the U.S. would be a totally independent of imported oil, although most people seem to forget we are one of the world's leading oil producers.
 
Thanks for the quote, but it has zero relevance to my post. I never claimed the U.S. would be a totally independent of imported oil, although most people seem to forget we are one of the world's leading oil producers.

We're #3 on the list of countries.
 
We're #3 on the list of countries.

Absolutely correct. Most people (probably Catawba) think we produce very little oil. They also think we get the majority of our oil from the Middle East.

Both assumptions are wrong.
 
Absolutely correct. Most people (probably Catawba) think we produce very little oil. They also think we get the majority of our oil from the Middle East.

Both assumptions are wrong.

really? poll it.
 
Now we will be told what size light bulb we can use. More government control over our lives.

Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye - San Jose Mercury News

As of Saturday, what used to be a 100-watt light bulb manufactured and sold in California will have to use 72 watts or less. The 72-watt replacement bulb, also called an energy-saving halogen light, will provide the same amount of light, called lumens, for lower energy cost.

Similar new standards for traditional 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt incandescent bulbs will go into effect in California over the next few years, with wattages reduced to 53, 43 and 29 respectively.

The new rule does not ban incandescent light bulbs; it just requires those bulbs to be 25 to 30 percent more efficient. And it only affects incandescent light bulbs manufactured in 2011 or later, not those already in use or on store shelves.

You're right, next thing you know we won't be allowed to produce lead based paint.
 
Thanks for the quote, but it has zero relevance to my post. I never claimed the U.S. would be a totally independent of imported oil, although most people seem to forget we are one of the world's leading oil producers.

The main point I made to Erod, to which you interjected yourself, was that "since 1971 we have not produced as much oil as we consume." I was further making the point (with their own quotes) that the oil executives themselves realize that "Drill baby Drill" is just a campaign slogan and not a viable solution to our energy problems.

I stand by that assessment.
 
I am not clear as to why I am supposed to be outraged. :confused:

Regulation like this is the foundation for things to come, such as government controlled thermostats and requiring registration of appliances.
 
Regulation like this is the foundation for things to come, such as government controlled thermostats and requiring registration of appliances.

i think you have to prove that.
 
Regulation like this is the foundation for things to come, such as government controlled thermostats and requiring registration of appliances.

It's regulation on what can be produced, not on what you can use in your home which is normal.
 
It's regulation on what can be produced, not on what you can use in your home which is normal.

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They regulate what can be made, thus what you can buy, thus what is in your home....

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They regulate what can be made, thus what you can buy, thus what is in your home....

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Lots of things can't be produced: certain types of paints, some products have effeciency requirements. Even cars need to be inspected for emissions.
 
Unnecessary totalitarianism. Though it is perfectly logical.
 
Where else have I heard this............

i think you have to prove that.

It's regulation on what can be produced, not on what you can use in your home which is normal.
2008 Building Energy Efficiency Standards for Residential and Nonresidential Buildings.
California Energy Commission.


http://www.energy.ca.gov/2007publications/CEC-400-2007-017/CEC-400-2007-017-45DAY.PDF

Page 60-64, edited for relevant portions by me:
Section 112(c)

(c) Thermostats6. All unitary heating and/or cooling systems including heat pumps that are not controlled by a central energy management control system (EMCS) shall have a Programmable Communicating Thermostat (PCT) that is certified by the manufacturer to the Energy Commission to meet the requirements of Subsections 112(c)(1) and 112(c)(2) below:

1. Setback Capabilities. All PCTs shall have a clock mechanism that allows the building occupant to program the temperature set points for at least four periods within 24 hours. Thermostats for heat pumps shall meet the requirements of Section 112(b).

2. Communicating Capabilities. All PCTs shall be distributed with a non-removable Radio Data System (RDS) communications device that is compatible with the default statewide DR communications system, which can be used by utilities to send price and emergency signals. PCTs shall be capable of receiving and responding to the signals indicating price and emergency events as follows.

B. Emergency Events. Upon receiving an emergency signal, the PCT shall respond to commands contained in the emergency signal, including changing the set-point by any number of degrees or to a specific temperature set-point. The PCT shall not allow customer changes to thermostat settings during emergency events.
 
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All utilities have the authority to discontinue service during an emergency. This is nothing new.

If it's nothing new then why did you try to dismiss it as conspiracy?

Change your argument much?
 
All utilities have the authority to discontinue service during an emergency. This is nothing new.

True, but how many want the ability to control the thermostat inside your home ???

Shutting power off to a house or building is quite a bit different than being able to adjust the thermostat inside the building.

Maybe you wouldn't mind if they wanted to change the channel you're watching on tv, or maybe log you off of unapproved web sites.

Wait, they are already trying to do that..... never mind.
 
If it's nothing new then why did you try to dismiss it as conspiracy?

Change your argument much?

Say what? You seem to have me confused with Glen Beck, he is the one that suggested it was a conspiracy. Utilities have had the authority to discontinue service during an emergency since their inception
 
Say what? You seem to have me confused with Glen Beck, he is the one that suggested it was a conspiracy.
No I realize that Glenn Beck is not posing in this thread. It was your post #363 which tried to dismiss my argument as kook conspiracy. Now you're trying to change your argument and say it occurs all the time. Well which is it?

Utilities have had the authority to discontinue service during an emergency since their inception

Discontinuing service is one thing (and no, a utility can't discontinue at-will unless your contract specifies such, non of mine do), a legal mandate to place a device in your home to control that service is another. It's the difference between your car insurance choosing to drop you and your car insurance installing a tracking device which can override your control of the vehicle. The DP mod team can choose to ban you, but not place a program inside your PC override your use of that PC.
 
True, but how many want the ability to control the thermostat inside your home ???

Shutting power off to a house or building is quite a bit different than being able to adjust the thermostat inside the building.

Maybe you wouldn't mind if they wanted to change the channel you're watching on tv, or maybe log you off of unapproved web sites.

Wait, they are already trying to do that..... never mind.

Which is more cost effective for a utility, being able to discontinue service during an emergency electronically or having to have a man climb a pole and turn off the transformer switch? Should utilities also have not switched to computerized billing, so they could continue manual billing that cost them and you more money?
 
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