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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

Gill in this case is correct and so is Tucker


The production of oil under peak oil can be increased for a time but will cause a sharper drop off in production as the reserves are used up faster then otherwise would have been

Hubbert peak theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reserves and production rates are generally fairly interconnected, but through secondary and tert recovery methods the production rate can be increased, while draining reservers quicker. Meaning instead of a bell shaped curve for production rates, it will be skewed towards with a sharp drop off as rates will eventually decrease drastically rather then gradually


Perhaps we are saying the same thing afterall.

So, would anyone disagree with the point that we passed peak oil in this country in 70/71?
 
I didn't know people still use those old light bulbs. If you still use them, you are losing money in the long run (and the short term too actually). LEDs are much cheaper if you order them online and they don't burn out like traditional bulbs. You can find ultra bright LEDs in bulk for about $0.20 each in some places. I've put together some lighting circuits of my own and use them in my room and the shed outside. If you are not into electronics you can buy them at any hardware store and they screw in to any fixture. You will see the big savings on your electric bill.
 
@Catawba, i think the real distinction between what you and gill are saying is that production can decrease for different reasons. if oil production goes down because an oil producing state creates a law making it more difficult to produce oil that is not due to the amount of oil on the planet.

as to the topic, peak light bulb (hehe) is a separate issue altogether, we need to consider all the implications. one that has yet to be mentioned in this 33 page thread is that there's 5mg of mercury in all the 40 watt twisty light apparatuses (they're not called 'bulbs' are they?) that are replacing the 100 watt incandescent bulbs. that's a lot of nasty stuff getting thrown in our land fills. though i soon the LEDs will replace those we all assume, but two problems with that. first LEDs still only come in a few different colors, secondly we've never had to produce the number of LEDs that we have with the incandescent lamps, i'm not sure all the resources are there for those.
 
@Catawba, i think the real distinction between what you and gill are saying is that production can decrease for different reasons. if oil production goes down because an oil producing state creates a law making it more difficult to produce oil that is not due to the amount of oil on the planet.

Politics is not a factor in the bell shaped curve of an oil well's production.

as to the topic, peak light bulb (hehe) is a separate issue altogether, we need to consider all the implications. one that has yet to be mentioned in this 33 page thread is that there's 5mg of mercury in all the 40 watt twisty light apparatuses (they're not called 'bulbs' are they?) that are replacing the 100 watt incandescent bulbs. that's a lot of nasty stuff getting thrown in our land fills. though i soon the LEDs will replace those we all assume, but two problems with that. first LEDs still only come in a few different colors, secondly we've never had to produce the number of LEDs that we have with the incandescent lamps, i'm not sure all the resources are there for those.

One has mentioned now 3 times though that the OP refers to halogen light bulbs which contain no mercury.
 
In my home I have downlights which operate on these brilliant little 50W lights that produce a pleasant light orange glow, like the old ones did. I dislike pure white light, it annoys my head.

I have one light in my entire house using an old style light, absolutely the most inefficient lights I've ever owned. It's 70W. In Australia lights must be 15 Lumens/W efficient. It's worked just fine over here, we've also cut greenhouse emissions by 800,000 tonnes, and the lights are cheap as hotcakes, and are still domestically produced.
 
In my home I have downlights which operate on these brilliant little 50W lights that produce a pleasant light orange glow, like the old ones did. I dislike pure white light, it annoys my head.

I have one light in my entire house using an old style light, absolutely the most inefficient lights I've ever owned. It's 70W. In Australia lights must be 15 Lumens/W efficient. It's worked just fine over here, we've also cut greenhouse emissions by 800,000 tonnes, and the lights are cheap as hotcakes, and are still domestically produced.


Quite possibly you guys over there could be exporting those things to us soon if we don't get on the ball over here.
 
I didn't know people still use those old light bulbs. If you still use them, you are losing money in the long run (and the short term too actually). LEDs are much cheaper if you order them online and they don't burn out like traditional bulbs. You can find ultra bright LEDs in bulk for about $0.20 each in some places. I've put together some lighting circuits of my own and use them in my room and the shed outside. If you are not into electronics you can buy them at any hardware store and they screw in to any fixture. You will see the big savings on your electric bill.

$.20 each ???? I find that hard to believe. LED lights range from $10 to $60+ around here. I changed all the recessed lights in my living room (10 of them) to LED a few months ago. I got them at Sam's and they cost about $10 each. These were the only dimmable LEDs that I could find at an affordable price. My wife hates them and wants to go back to incandescents because they don't put out enough light to read by.

As far as halogens go, they are almost as inefficient as incandescents. Both convert a major share of their energy input into heat. Halogen bulbs get extremely hot, and you must be very careful with them. A lot of fires have been started by careless use of halogen bulbs.
 
Peak oil DOES NOT mean we are producing less oil than we consume, it means we used more of the Earth's oil than is left in reserves.

At least learn what you are talking about.




:lol: what he said.
 
Peak oil is when the maximum global rate of extraction is passed. We did. How hard is that to understand?
 
I am not clear as to why I am supposed to be outraged. :confused:
 
Peak oil is when the maximum global rate of extraction is passed. We did. How hard is that to understand?

Maybe, maybe not. Huge new oil fields are being discovered each year.
 
Wasn't there a singer who made waves by pointing out if we all just use 1 square of toilet paper we'd save millions of acres of trees?
iirc, it was a joke that some people w/o a sense of humor didn't get.

I already use both side of the paper.
0.o
 
Maybe, maybe not. Huge new oil fields are being discovered each year.
and the increase in prices has increased the amount of oil that it's financially viable to extract.
 
I tried them had several last not even a year. I do not like the hazmat part or the mercury in them.
Yeah, thats a drag.

I don't like having to take my batteries and my kids' cheap electronic stocking-stuffers and my old computer parts to the hazardous waste place either.
I tried to have a talk w/ the grandarents about the cheap electronics, but to no avail. I costs $5 to dispose of a 1.99 toy
 
Sarcasm? If not, you are not sounding like a conservative... who else is on your list to have their rights removed?

Part sarcasm, and part real. I'm tired of offshore residents coming in here telling me how America should be, and what my rights are or should be. We have foreign member who have a mealy-mouth way of denegrating America to get around the rules, and frankly I'm tired of it. I hope these people end up with the govt they espouse in their own countries.
 
CFL's are already on the way out, as soon as LED bulbs get cheap enough to attract customers. Then we will have some serious savings on electricity usage.
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Fine... let the market decide these things. Same with what powers our economy. When they find a solution, fine... until then, let us exploit our oil, coal, gas, and uranium. Stuff that works.

Until LED is good to go, the old bulb worked just fine and its price was right. I didn't need a hazmat suit to clean the thing after dropping it, and I've dropped a CFL. Turfed it into the trash.

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soon the LEDs will replace those we all assume, but two problems with that. first LEDs still only come in a few different colors, secondly we've never had to produce the number of LEDs that we have with the incandescent lamps, i'm not sure all the resources are there for those.

That could all change fast when LED manufacturers get new purchase orders.

ricksfolly
 
Part sarcasm, and part real. I'm tired of offshore residents coming in here telling me how America should be, and what my rights are or should be.

Nobody can tell you anything you don't want to hear, and you know it, so why this overacting? Want sympathy, a hug...

ricksfolly
 
Light bulbs with higher wattage permits what we used to call "reading". This reading thing was at one time utilized to educate. Thank God, I mean thank someting thosec days are long gone. "Anearica, Anearica how great you are today, more rules to learn, more books to burn from rule to shining rule"! (sing along)
 
Light bulbs with higher wattage permits what we used to call "reading". This reading thing was at one time utilized to educate. Thank God, I mean thank someting thosec days are long gone. "Anearica, Anearica how great you are today, more rules to learn, more books to burn from rule to shining rule"! (sing along)

Actually, light bulbs with higher lumens allow for reading.
 
Light bulbs with higher wattage permits what we used to call "reading". This reading thing was at one time utilized to educate. Thank God, I mean thank someting thosec days are long gone. "Anearica, Anearica how great you are today, more rules to learn, more books to burn from rule to shining rule"! (sing along)

Haha, that explains why these good old inefficient American light bulbs have put American education standards so far ahead of the tyrannical regulated Europe.

I have old style light bulbs in my house that use 70W. I don't see what the issue is lol.
 
Peak oil is when the maximum global rate of extraction is passed. We did. How hard is that to understand?

We're not even close. There's enough under the Rockies alone to last hundreds of years.
 
We're not even close. There's enough under the Rockies alone to last hundreds of years.

How did the oil companies miss this new find?

Because since 1971 we have not produced as much oil as we consume. That is why the oil companies recommended doing something about Iraq in the Energy Task Force Report.
 
How did the oil companies miss this new find?

Because since 1971 we have not produced as much oil as we consume. That is why the oil companies recommended doing something about Iraq in the Energy Task Force Report.

ummmm, maybe they haven't started recovering it yet. They are too busy drilling hundreds of wells in North Dakota right now.
 
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