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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

Deuce said:
Incandescent bulbs are tiny, crappy space heaters that happen to produce some light as a byproduct. Cumulatively, they create an enormous load on our powergrid and contribute a lot of unnecessary pollution. Time to upgrade.
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I agree, but CFLs are only a stop gap to the even more efficient LED bulbs, requiring almost one tenth the amount of watts the incandescent bulb needs. No curliques like the CFLs also helps.

ricksfolly
 
Tucker Case said:
According to Webster's, "the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority "

Now where on Earth did you get the silly idea that regulating commerce is all that is needed for totalitarianism?
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if only lightbulbs or even commerce was all that was regulated.
 
ricksfolly said:
I agree, but CFLs are only a stop gap to the even more efficient LED bulbs, requiring almost one tenth the amount of watts the incandescent bulb needs. No curliques like the CFLs also helps.

ricksfolly
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stop gap? CFL bulbs will probably be with us a long time before the LED stuff gets cheap enough to displace them...
 
Zyroh said:
the US unilaterally slowed down oil production through legislation in the 70s.
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Thanks for your opinion! I think I have to go with the facts however.

"As it happens, the US lower 48 oil production did peak in 1970/1. In that year, by definition, US oil producers had never produced as much oil, and Hubbert's predictions were a fading memory. The peak was only acknowledged with the benefit of several years of hindsight."
Peak oil primer and links | Energy Bulletin
 
Catawba said:
LOL! Do you mean the very short temporary ban on deep water drilling after we had just had a failure with multiple unnecessary deaths of a deep water drilling rig????

How about the off-shore drilling Obama approved that had not been approved during the Bush Adminsitration?

"President Obama's decision, announced Wednesday, to approve new oil and gas drilling off U.S. coasts for the first time in decades reflects a high-stakes calculation by the White House: Splitting the difference on the most contentious energy issues could help secure a bipartisan climate deal this year. "
President Obama opens new areas to offshore drilling - washingtonpost.com
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What world do you even live in, dude? That article is from April!
 
UtahBill said:
I ran out of humor pills, and you don't have enough to share....:2razz:
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Ya know you can buy more...and stop getting those big box, walmart, cheapy kind...;)
 
Catawba said:
And its still a better deal that petroleum if you consider the cost of the ME wars necessary to protect the flow of oil to this country which more than doubles the price at the pump.
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You are under two delusions....

1. The U.S. gets only a small portion of oil from the middle east. Most comes from our own production, Canada, and Mexico.

2. You keep speaking of "peak oil" as only applying to the U.S. It actually applies to the entire world and the date of global peak oil keeps being moved. A large number of huge oil discoveries have been announced in the past few years.
 
??? said:
Who would want to buy an inefficient, more expensive lightbulb? I get the less government regulation argument generally, but when it gets to the point where people are complaining about the government making them save money with little perceivable negative effects and at least decently supported evidence of community benefit, I find that kind of silly.
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So bringing Mercury in the house is OK? I don't see the savings they are more expensive and do not last as long as they claim
 
apdst said:
The point is, he reinstated the drilling moratoiums on thos areas since this article was written....:lamo
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links my friend?
 
ptif219 said:
So bringing Mercury in the house is OK? I don't see the savings they are more expensive and do not last as long as they claim
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Another that is not aware of the thread topic. Halogen bulbs are what the OP refers to and they have no mercury.
 
Catawba said:
Don't know what you are referring to. Are you suggesting we did not pass peak oik in the US in 1970? If so, please list the years we produced more oil than we consumed since 1970.

Thanks!
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Sorry, don't deal in kooky conspiracy theory bunk. :2wave:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Sorry, don't deal in kooky conspiracy theory bunk. :2wave:
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If you have facts that show any years since the early 70's when the US produced more oil than we consumed, you could say that and still be credible.

But since you've stilll not provided any facts to back up your claim...................
 
Catawba said:
I had not heard that. Makes sense though given all the unresolved safety issues conerning the deaths resulting from the BP oil disaster.
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Oh, right, so now he's doing for our own good?

Gimme a freekin' break!
 
Catawba said:
If you have facts that show any years since the early 70's when the US produced more oil than we consumed, you could say that and still be credible.

But since you've stilll not provided any facts to back up your claim...................
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Peak oil DOES NOT mean we are producing less oil than we consume, it means we used more of the Earth's oil than is left in reserves.

At least learn what you are talking about.
 
Gill said:
Peak oil DOES NOT mean we are producing less oil than we consume, it means we used more of the Earth's oil than is left in reserves.

At least learn what you are talking about.
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I thank you for your opinion, even though it is wrong.

"Peak oil primer

What is peak oil?

Peak oil is the simplest label for the problem of energy resource depletion, or more specifically, the peak in global oil production. Oil is a finite, non-renewable resource, one that has powered phenomenal economic and population growth over the last century and a half. The rate of oil 'production', meaning extraction and refining (currently about 85 million barrels/day), has grown almost every year of the last century. Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market. For economies leveraged on ever increasing quantities of cheap oil, the consequences may be dire. Without significant successful cultural reform, severe economic and social consequences seem inevitable. "

This a good source to learn more:
Peak oil primer and links | Energy Bulletin
 
Catawba said:
I thank you for your opinion, even though it is wrong.

"Peak oil primer

What is peak oil?

Peak oil is the simplest label for the problem of energy resource depletion, or more specifically, the peak in global oil production. Oil is a finite, non-renewable resource, one that has powered phenomenal economic and population growth over the last century and a half. The rate of oil 'production', meaning extraction and refining (currently about 85 million barrels/day), has grown almost every year of the last century. Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market. For economies leveraged on ever increasing quantities of cheap oil, the consequences may be dire. Without significant successful cultural reform, severe economic and social consequences seem inevitable. "

This a good source to learn more:
Peak oil primer and links | Energy Bulletin
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Actually, that's what gill said.
 
Tucker Case said:
Actually, that's what gill said.
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Here is the difference, as I see it.

Gill said, "Peak oil DOES NOT mean we are producing less oil than we consume, it means we used more of the Earth's oil than is left in reserves.

At least learn what you are talking about."

Bold emphasis is mine.

The distinction is not how much reserve oil is left, as Gill stated, but rather a matter of greater usage than production: "Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market."
 
Catawba said:
Here is the difference, as I see it.

Gill said, "Peak oil DOES NOT mean we are producing less oil than we consume, it means we used more of the Earth's oil than is left in reserves.

At least learn what you are talking about."

Bold emphasis is mine.

The distinction is not how much reserve oil is left, as Gill stated, but rather a matter of greater usage than production: "Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market."
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I added the bold to show that this is pretty much what Gill said.

Production can stop growing and begin a terminal decline without production being lower than consumption. The Peak point occurs where Gill said it does.
 
Gill in this case is correct and so is Tucker


The production of oil under peak oil can be increased for a time but will cause a sharper drop off in production as the reserves are used up faster then otherwise would have been

The Hubbert peak theory posits that for any given geographical area, from an individual oil-producing region to the planet as a whole, the rate of petroleum production tends to follow a bell-shaped curve. It is one of the primary theories on peak oil.

Choosing a particular curve determines a point of maximum production based on discovery rates, production rates and cumulative production. Early in the curve (pre-peak), the production rate increases because of the discovery rate and the addition of infrastructure. Late in the curve (post-peak), production declines because of resource depletion.

The Hubbert peak theory is based on the observation that the amount of oil under the ground in any region is finite, therefore the rate of discovery which initially increases quickly must reach a maximum and decline. In the US, oil extraction followed the discovery curve after a time lag of 32 to 35 years.[1][2] The theory is named after American geophysicist M. King Hubbert, who created a method of modeling the production curve given an assumed ultimate recovery volume
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Hubbert peak theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reserves and production rates are generally fairly interconnected, but through secondary and tert recovery methods the production rate can be increased, while draining reservers quicker. Meaning instead of a bell shaped curve for production rates, it will be skewed towards with a sharp drop off as rates will eventually decrease drastically rather then gradually
 
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