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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

If I get to choose, then I would like a platform of conservatism for our resources, honoring the property rights of other countries as we honor our own. What do ya think?

Too general.
 
Government has done that since day one... deal with it.

We're going to deal with it, real soon. You can sit there and let your rights be taken away. In fact you probably should have your right reduced given your political tendencies. The less right you have to do anything at all, the better.
 
Not only does our govt tell us what to buy, but the banks do as well.

We were told we could afford a $350K home the last time we were looking, in 1994. We bought one for $125K, and paid it off in about 6 years. The range in our new neighborhood was $115K to $250K.

They look at our assets/savings/debt/income and then tell us how much house we can afford.

Well, they are supposed to....but govt turned a blind eye to good judgement in favor of a "booming economy".

CFL use will reduce our use of coal and gas. But lighting is not the largest load, just the easiest to reduce.

Leaky homes, poorly insulated, poorly sealed use a lot more fuel than well built homes.

Next largest load is hot water, and homes in the sunbelt can use solar thermal panels, 1 or 2 depending on location.

OTOH, green industries tend to charge too much for their products, especially if there is a govt tax break involved.

High utility bills is motivation enough for me to go green where I can, the govt incentives should attract more of us to green living. Problem there is that the green industries charge so much that the end user is reluctant to spend the money.

Price a solar hot water heater tank with internal heat exchanger loop compared to an ordinary water heater. Search word is indirect water heater.I can see the price going up some for the HX loop and extra fittings, but doubling in price is what happens. Even more if stainless steel is used. The industry kills itself off looking for instant fortune accumulation, instead of making the systems affordable to more consumers. Then price the collectors, pump with controller, and it is easy to see why people don't buy into it.
 
We're going to deal with it, real soon. You can sit there and let your rights be taken away. In fact you probably should have your right reduced given your political tendencies. The less right you have to do anything at all, the better.

Sarcasm? If not, you are not sounding like a conservative... who else is on your list to have their rights removed?
 
Nope.

"Halogen light bulbs are a type of incandescent light bulbs and are filled with a halogen gas. The halogen gas gives the bulbs a longer life than traditional incandescent bulbs because it helps redeposit the evaporated tungsten back to the filament. Halogen light bulbs are not the same thing as compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL bulbs), which have mercury inside and are often subject to state or local disposal regulations. Also, halogen light bulbs are not recyclable like CFL bulbs are."

Read more: How to Dispose of Halogen Light Bulbs | eHow.com How to Dispose of Halogen Light Bulbs | eHow.com

Personally, I prefer the LED bulbs, but the halogen bulbs are definitely a step up from regular incandescent bulbs.



CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury : NPR



Seems they do.....



and led's are like $60 bucks a piece.... :roll:
 
I don't I use 60 watt.. What gives the government the right to make my choices for me? Letcapitalism work if the new light bulbs are so great the old bulbs will go the way of the 8 track. The government will force us which means I will get stubborn and stock up

Already have...they can have my old standard 100 watt bulbs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers. ;)

Where are these new lightbulbs being built? And wasnt there some sort of environmental impact regarding their disposal? And for all their supposed extra long life...Im not seeing it. The ones I do use burn out just as fast as the old lightbulbs. Oh...and heres another problem...how many people just leave the lights on 24/7 now because they are tired of these new bulbs taking 5 minutes to get to their full lumination?
 
Already have...they can have my old standard 100 watt bulbs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers. ;)

Where are these new lightbulbs being built? And wasnt there some sort of environmental impact regarding their disposal? And for all their supposed extra long life...Im not seeing it. The ones I do use burn out just as fast as the old lightbulbs. Oh...and heres another problem...how many people just leave the lights on 24/7 now because they are tired of these new bulbs taking 5 minutes to get to their full lumination?





Do they still make you look jaundiced? I remember putting them in the bathroom and the wife freaked about the unnatural light output.
 
Now we will be told what size light bulb we can use. More government control over our lives.

Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye - San Jose Mercury News

As of Saturday, what used to be a 100-watt light bulb manufactured and sold in California will have to use 72 watts or less. The 72-watt replacement bulb, also called an energy-saving halogen light, will provide the same amount of light, called lumens, for lower energy cost.

Similar new standards for traditional 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt incandescent bulbs will go into effect in California over the next few years, with wattages reduced to 53, 43 and 29 respectively.

The new rule does not ban incandescent light bulbs; it just requires those bulbs to be 25 to 30 percent more efficient. And it only affects incandescent light bulbs manufactured in 2011 or later, not those already in use or on store shelves.
Who would want to buy an inefficient, more expensive lightbulb? I get the less government regulation argument generally, but when it gets to the point where people are complaining about the government making them save money with little perceivable negative effects and at least decently supported evidence of community benefit, I find that kind of silly.
 
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Who would want to buy an inefficient, more expensive lightbulb? I get the less government regulation argument generally, but when it gets to the point where people are complaining about the government making them save money with little perceivable negative effects and at least decently supported evidence of community benefit, I find that kind of silly.




If the bulbs really are that much better, the government wouldn't need to mandate folks purchasing them.


Let the market decide.,
 
If the bulbs really are that much better, the government wouldn't need to mandate folks purchasing them.


Let the market decide.,

Rev, the market is full of idiots. I mean look at Wal Mart, you really think the people shopping there would make the RIGHT choice? People are STUPID! They need, and secretly WANT help in making the right choices!
 
Rev, the market is full of idiots. I mean look at Wal Mart, you really think the people shopping there would make the RIGHT choice? People are STUPID! They need, and secretly WANT help in making the right choices!



Uhm yeah, they would eventually get it. :shrug:



Fool and thier money.... government mandates will never fix that.
 
If the bulbs really are that much better, the government wouldn't need to mandate folks purchasing them.


Let the market decide.,
I don't think people are idiots, but the amount of time people can spend researching things at the level of lightbulbs is necessarily limited. And let's not forget that the market is controlled by companies who are ulikely to make such investigation (as to which lightbulb is the best) quick or easy. Government regulation in situations like this is basically just a time saver for consumers. Letting the market decide just for the sake of letting the market decide seems inefficient.
 
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I don't think people are idiots, but the amount of time people can spend researching things at the level of lightbulbs is necessarily limited. And let's not forget that the market is controlled by companies who are ulikely to make the investigation of which type of lightbulb is the best easy. Government regulations in situations like this is basically just a time saver for consumers.

Think of all the ways Gov't could save stupid people from wrong choices....
 
Think of all the ways Gov't could save stupid people from wrong choices....
we could stop having elections and just let congress decide who gets to be President...:2razz:
 
I don't think people are idiots, but the amount of time people can spend researching things at the level of lightbulbs is necessarily limited. And let's not forget that the market is controlled by companies who are ulikely to make such investigation (as to which lightbulb is the best) quick or easy. Government regulation in situations like this is basically just a time saver for consumers. Letting the market decide just for the sake of letting the market decide seems inefficient.




Researching? It's a freaking light bulb.....


"hey neighbor, check out my pimpin new light bulbs.... on the package they say they save me hundereds per year"
 
No my idea of a long-term solution is electric cars and mass transit. But diesel biofuel is a promising interim alternative to costly wars and shedding blood for oil in the middle east.

BTW, I would like to to see your evidence that cars that run on biodiesel get 34% less milage than the US fleet average.

Right here,

Ethanol contains approx. 34% less energy per unit volume than gasoline, and therefore in theory, burning pure ethanol in a vehicle will result in a 34% reduction in miles per US gallon , given the same fuel economy, compared to burning pure gasoline.

Ethanol fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Think of all the ways Gov't could save stupid people from wrong choices....
Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.
 
Researching? It's a freaking light bulb.....


"hey neighbor, check out my pimpin new light bulbs.... on the package they say they save me hundereds per year"
That's exactly the point. Nobody researches lightbulbs, they either grab the brand they are used to or the closest one on the shelf. That doesn't make them stupid, it just means they understandably can't be bothered. Waiting for the mass public to realize that one particular type is better than the other would be grossly inefficient.
 
That's exactly the point. Nobody researches lightbulbs, they either grab the brand they are used to or the closest one on the shelf. That doesn't make them stupid, it just means they understandably can't be bothered. Waiting for the mass public to realize that one particular type is better than the other would be grossly inefficient.



You really think people even grab brands? :lol:



here's how you get folks to by the cfl's that have the higher markup price (did you know the markup on a cfl for the wholesaler and the retailer is nearly double that of a standard bulb?)


Put the CFL's at 36"-46" on the shelves, put the standards above or below that height......



Guess what.... Home depot, and lowes do just that.... in a year or two, you all won't even be talking about this nonsense.


No government inteference needed.
 
Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.

Care to cite wherein the Constitution such authority is derived from?
 
Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.



And who wants to bet the government is spending more than we'd be saving on stuff it's not supposed to be doing? :ssst:
 
I have an infrared temperature detector, with a laser point...
100 watt equivalalnt CFL reads 130-150 degrees, a 75 watt halogen spot light reads about 300 degrees, a 40w round (shape and size of glass can affect the readings) over the bathroom sink light is about 150, all taken at about a foot from the bulbs....

not exactly apples to apples, but it shows that a lot of the energy used to run the bulb is gone in the form of waste heat.
If it is winter and you have electric radiant heat, then waste heat from incandescents is helping to heat your house.
If it is summer and theh AC is running, your AC must work harder to counteract the excess heat.
Our kitchen has 8 soupcan looking light fixtures on the ceiling, and the builder installed 75 watt floods. Standing under those kitchen lights was unbearable when all those flood lights were on. I replaced all of them with 100W equivalent CFL bubls. Lots of difference...
 
You really think people even grab brands? :lol:



here's how you get folks to by the cfl's that have the higher markup price (did you know the markup on a cfl for the wholesaler and the retailer is nearly double that of a standard bulb?)


Put the CFL's at 36"-46" on the shelves, put the standards above or below that height......



Guess what.... Home depot, and lowes do just that.... in a year or two, you all won't even be talking about this nonsense.


No government inteference needed.
Yeah, that's assuming the retailers decide to play along.
 
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