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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

Catawba said:
I'm not thinking natural gas because I am thinking long-term. I'm not thinking natural gas because it is another declining fossil fuel that will just further delay our necessary transition to renewable energy that will be required to prevent future blackouts. Through what we already know about alternative energy and energy efficiency, we could have transitioned away from Persian gulf oil over the last 40 years, while the rest of the world transitions away from fossil fuels. If we continue to sit on our butts and do nothing to provide our own energy, we will be left behind economically in the future.
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So, you idea of a long term solution, is a government subsidized fuel, that will cause vehicles to get 34% less fuel mileage? :lamo
 
apdst said:
Does a gallon of produced gasoline create three gallons of waste water, like ethanol does? Most of the water used to produce gasoline, is used for cooling and be recycled within the refinery.
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More than three, when you add in the water used in retrieving the crude oil.
 
apdst said:
Water used in retrieving the crude oil?
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Yes.

The industry uses what they call "mud", which is a mixture of seawater and various oils, to lubricate the drill head and help blast away at the earth while drilling.
 
apdst said:
Does a gallon of produced gasoline create three gallons of waste water, like ethanol does? Most of the water used to produce gasoline, is used for cooling and be recycled within the refinery.
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Producing water as it's used is actually a reason NOT to use ethanol...because that water tends to mes up an engine, increasing maintenance costs which are greater than money saved by using ethanol. In short, ethanol increases the cost of operating a vehicle.
 
Jerry said:
Yes.

The industry uses what they call "mud", which is a mixture of seawater and various oils, to lubricate the drill head and help blast away at the earth while drilling.
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Ah, he was talking about drilling mud. Well, oil based mud doesn't have water in it, hence the term, oil based mud. Water based mud does, however and the mud is recycled, so by comparison oil rigs use less water than ethanol production does.

Mud is used to weigh down the downhole pressure, to prevent a well from blowing out. That's it's primary usage while drilling.
 
Jerry said:
Producing water as it's used is actually a reason NOT to use ethanol...because that water tends to mes up an engine, increasing maintenance costs which are greater than money saved by using ethanol. In short, ethanol increases the cost of operating a vehicle.
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Agreed, it's what I've been saying all along.
 
Jerry said:
Yes.

The industry uses what they call "mud", which is a mixture of seawater and various oils, to lubricate the drill head and help blast away at the earth while drilling.
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That's one type of way that water is used in getting crude, but there are numerous other ways such as flooding/water injection. It is estimated that rcovering crude from the ground uses from 2.1-5.4 gallons of freshwater per every gallon of oil.
 
Tucker Case said:
That's one type of way that water is used in getting crude, but there are numerous other ways such as flooding/water injection. It is estimated that rcovering crude from the ground uses from 2.1-5.4 gallons of freshwater per every gallon of oil.
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Care to post those projections?

After you do, I'll explain to you how fracing works and how they filter the water used for a frac job and reintroduce it into the environment.
 
apdst said:
Care to post those projections?
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First, they aren't projections, they are estimates. I wouldn't want you to think that these data were projecting something.

www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/AF/557.pdf


After you do, I'll explain to you how fracing works and how they filter the water used for a frac job and reintroduce it into the environment.
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there's really no need to do that. Instead, try and figure out how the reintroduction rate would never be 100% of the water used.

Obvioulsy, had I not been looking at net usage, the numbers for Oil would be much much higher than 2.1-5.4 gallons per gallon.
 
apdst said:
So, you idea of a long term solution, is a government subsidized fuel, that will cause vehicles to get 34% less fuel mileage? :lamo
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No my idea of a long-term solution is electric cars and mass transit. But diesel biofuel is a promising interim alternative to costly wars and shedding blood for oil in the middle east.

BTW, I would like to to see your evidence that cars that run on biodiesel get 34% less milage than the US fleet average.
 
Henrin said:
You just said he cut it altogether. Something I claimed you were crying over.

Nice job failing.

Oh and something that uses oil can't exactly replace it...........just sayin'



Also this line is beyond stupid. As this moron should be aware companies would charge far less if it wasn't for the government, but alas, that is not something he wants to mention.
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Companies charge what they CAN, based on competition.....unless they act in collusion. Would oil companies do that?
 
MrVicchio said:
How do you do that?

Let's say Acme Brick decides it's too costly to manufacture here in the USA. So they do some research and find that an Albanian Brick Plant would make them competitive again. Oh wait, if they do that they'll be taxed so much it won't make a difference!

So what would you do if you were Acme Brick?

That's right! You would liquidate your company, and then invest in a new Albanian Brick Company that happened to be starting up. You'd offer your services in getting the product to market, marketing...

Good job Catz, you succeeded in doing nothing.

Try thinking through ideas before posting them.
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and when enough jobs are gone, we have far fewer Americans with jobs, or money, so they don't use brick any more....

Try thinking through ideas before posting them.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
so one must spend more money on light bulbs instead of food for thier families.... that's some great eurologic there...... :lol:
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no, they cut back on cigarettes, beer, soda, dining out, cablel TV, videogame players, and so on...
 
theangryamerican said:
*sigh* Your original post stated that incandescent bulbs can still be manufactured as long as they conform to a specific energy standard. Old technology gets replaced by newer, more efficient technology. This is the same reason why we're communicating via an online message board instead of via Pony Express.

What do you use 100 watt bulbs for anyway? An interrogation room? :2razz:
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I don't I use 60 watt.. What gives the government the right to make my choices for me? Letcapitalism work if the new light bulbs are so great the old bulbs will go the way of the 8 track. The government will force us which means I will get stubborn and stock up
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
By god it is only mercury

How many of the people complaining about the mercury in CFL's would have been the people to complain about the government mandate removing mercury from gasoline.

Or how about the fact most mirrors used to use mercury for the reflective coating ( just tell your kids not to lick the back of mirrors.

Or that older termometers used mercury, and how many people played with the mercury when they broke.

Getting worked up about a broken CFL is being paranoid, your health is at risk far more by bad eating habits then by a couple of broken CFL's.

All you need to do is get the kids out of the house, open up the windows put a fan to blow the air away from the CFL and vacuum up the stuff. Any trace mercury will evaporate within a short period of time and having the air circulating will dilute it enought to keep you healthy

Of course I work with far more toxic items on a daily basis so I might be biased against insane levels of safety
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Do you bring those chemicals home? We do not need mercury in our house
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Sure it should be a concern

But it is not truely a major one, like some have made it out to be.

Remember mercury was added to gasoline for decades. It is in the coal that is burnt at power plants and emitted into the atmosphere, it is leaching into the rivers and lakes from industrial run off.

A minute amount of mercury released from breaking a CFL is not going to polute your home for years to come. Just kick your kids out of the house for a few hours as you clean it up and things will be fine

(remember your kids probably have a mountfull of mercury as it is from the filling they get from the dentist.)
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Why are you bringing up things no longer used. We should have learned from the past and should keep mercury out of our homes.
 
ricksfolly said:
Less wattage means smaller electric bills. I'm all for it. I don't care if it's government mandated or not.

ricksfolly
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You have no problem with government control and this country becoming a police state and taking away our choices?
 
Jerry said:
I'll just install another light stand.

Were I now have a single 100w bulb I'll now have 2-3 53w bulbs, for a net increase of power usage.
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Because the government is controlling what you can buy
 
with all the serious issues we have to face, some of our posters here are whining about light bulbs? Doesn't sound too "bright", not to me....
 
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