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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

MrVicchio said:
Care to cite wherein the Constitution such authority is derived from?
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I'm willing to assume there is some portion of the California state constitution that would cover such legislation.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
they make 10% on standard, 30% on cfl's..... I'll let you think about that for a moment,
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Well that is very convenient for everyone, if true, and would likely speed up the process, at least if your theory of where the product is located is what motivates people, rather than the price or brand or habit or anything else.
 
??? said:
Who would want to buy an inefficient, more expensive lightbulb? I get the less government regulation argument generally, but when it gets to the point where people are complaining about the government making them save money with little perceivable negative effects and at least decently supported evidence of community benefit, I find that kind of silly.
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What is really silly is when people whine about their taxes being too high, but their electric bill is not.:2razz:
We can't do much, as individuals, about the taxes but we certainly can reduce our electric bill.
 
??? said:
Well that is very convenient for everyone, if true, and would likely speed up the process, at least if your theory of where the product is located is what motivates people, rather than the price or brand or habit or anything else.
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go to lowes and check it out. where are the cfl's where are the standards?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Do they still make you look jaundiced? I remember putting them in the bathroom and the wife freaked about the unnatural light output.
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Last i checked they have three different styles...a yellow, a blue, and a white. The blue is supposed to be 'natural' I think. The yellow is supposed be sunlight or some such crap. Cant stand em. Quite often people walk into roooms, then leave them. How crappy does your product have to be if it takes a while to reach the illumination standard? maybe we should just go back to candles and oil lanterns.
 
UtahBill said:
with all the serious issues we have to face, some of our posters here are whining about light bulbs? Doesn't sound too "bright", not to me....
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OK...but its such a NON issue to you that you read the thread, posted the dismissive comment and spend even MORE time on it...a topic you dont care about? ;)
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
they make 10% on standard, 30% on cfl's..... I'll let you think about that for a moment,
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Sorry, your point is? If they last longer, you save money.
BTW Sam's Club shoppers, sometimes they order in more stuff than they can sell. Last fall they had CFL bulbs so cheap that they were only a bit higher than incandescents. I stocked up for our 2 houses...
When you see a good deal at a big box store, buy it then. Those super deals sell out fast....
 
VanceMack said:
OK...but its such a NON issue to you that you read the thread, posted the dismissive comment and spend even MORE time on it...a topic you dont care about? ;)
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You got something to add to the topic? I care a lot, which is why I have mostly CFL's in my 2 houses...
You don't like my informed opinion, feel free to post your rebuttal.
 
UtahBill said:
Sorry, your point is? If they last longer, you save money.
BTW Sam's Club shoppers, sometimes they order in more stuff than they can sell. Last fall they had CFL bulbs so cheap that they were only a bit higher than incandescents. I stocked up for our 2 houses...
When you see a good deal at a big box store, buy it then. Those super deals sell out fast....
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The crap sold at costco/sams club, is inferior to the same labeled stuff you get at real stores. just sayin....


My point is, that we don't need government mandating the use of cfl's.... the market will decide, that when they can make more money on cfl's they'll push them as they are doing now.

Mandating them is nanny state government interventonalism looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


I use LED's myself, cause, I can. :pimpdaddy:
 
UtahBill said:
You got something to add to the topic? I care a lot, which is why I have mostly CFL's in my 2 houses...
You don't like my informed opinion, feel free to post your rebuttal.
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1-Ive been adding to the conversation...I wasnt the one that said 'we have more important things to argue about'...and 2-someone forgot to take their sense of humor pill this morning. Id say it was me but I didnt forget to include the winking smiley thingy there...
 
MrVicchio said:
Care to cite wherein the Constitution such authority is derived from?
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While this is not necessarily where the authorization for what ??? is saying comes from, in this specific instance, the authority to regulate the wattage of these light-bulbs does come from the constitution:

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes
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Even if the California plant is only selling these light-bulbs in California (which is doubtful), California itself gets much of their energy supplied from other states. Thus, regulating wattage can be included in the authority to regulate interstate commerce.

The reasoning they utilize is irrelevant to the fact that the constitution does, indeed, grant the authority for such regulation.


Edit: Scratch that. I just realized this is a California-specific situation. There's no need for the constitution to grant California this authority ove rtheir own intra-state commerce.

A conservative should know that.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
The crap sold at costco/sams club, is inferior to the same labeled stuff you get at real stores. just sayin....
Mandating them is nanny state government interventonalism looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


I use LED's myself, cause, I can. :pimpdaddy:
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Big Box crap is the same crap being sold in regular stores. Or do you have a consumer's report study that says otherwise?:2wave:
 
VanceMack said:
1-Ive been adding to the conversation...I wasnt the one that said 'we have more important things to argue about'...and 2-someone forgot to take their sense of humor pill this morning. Id say it was me but I didnt forget to include the winking smiley thingy there...
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I ran out of humor pills, and you don't have enough to share....:2razz:
 
UtahBill said:
Big Box crap is the same crap being sold in regular stores. Or do you have a consumer's report study that says otherwise?:2wave:
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Costco - Philips Sonicare HealthyWhite Rechargeable Toothbrush w/ UV Sanitizer customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings




. Designer Clothes

You might score the occasional pair of Lucky jeans or a Speedo swimsuit, but designer duds aren't exactly Job 1 at Costco. Even if you do see an item from a top-tier name brand, you can't assume it's the same quality as the similar-looking product at a department store. "Just because it's a national brand name, an item of clothing doesn't have to meet the standards you'll see in other stores," says Marshal Cohen, chief retail analyst at the NPD Group, a market research firm.

Kathryn Finney, founder of The Budget Fashionista, says it's no secret that most name designers make cheaper lines just for warehouse clubs or outlet stores. The tip-off, says Finney, will be in the packaging and/or label on the garment. Labels on the sub-brands are just glued on, and are usually stiff and crunchy, while labels on high-end goods are softer or silky, and stitched all around.




Anything else?


They sell cheaper made versions of regular products.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You really think people even grab brands? :lol:



here's how you get folks to by the cfl's that have the higher markup price (did you know the markup on a cfl for the wholesaler and the retailer is nearly double that of a standard bulb?)


Put the CFL's at 36"-46" on the shelves, put the standards above or below that height......



Guess what.... Home depot, and lowes do just that.... in a year or two, you all won't even be talking about this nonsense.


No government inteference needed.
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Merchandising is everything.
 
??? said:
Yeah, that's assuming the retailers decide to play along.
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Of course they're going to play along, because they want to make the higher price margin.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Costco - Philips Sonicare HealthyWhite Rechargeable Toothbrush w/ UV Sanitizer customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings




. Designer Clothes

You might score the occasional pair of Lucky jeans or a Speedo swimsuit, but designer duds aren't exactly Job 1 at Costco. Even if you do see an item from a top-tier name brand, you can't assume it's the same quality as the similar-looking product at a department store. "Just because it's a national brand name, an item of clothing doesn't have to meet the standards you'll see in other stores," says Marshal Cohen, chief retail analyst at the NPD Group, a market research firm.

Kathryn Finney, founder of The Budget Fashionista, says it's no secret that most name designers make cheaper lines just for warehouse clubs or outlet stores. The tip-off, says Finney, will be in the packaging and/or label on the garment. Labels on the sub-brands are just glued on, and are usually stiff and crunchy, while labels on high-end goods are softer or silky, and stitched all around.




Anything else?


They sell cheaper made versions of regular products.
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Are you talking about "instore branding". Those may be different, as they might be at your local grocery store, but if is the same brand and model number, they are the same.
We shop Costco and Sam's a lot, never been disappointed.
 
UtahBill said:
Are you talking about "instore branding". Those may be different, as they might be at your local grocery store, but if is the same brand and model number, they are the same.
We shop Costco and Sam's a lot, never been disappointed.
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No, the lucky brand jeans you are wearing that you got for $20 are not the same as the $100 pair, I am wearing, even though all the labels are the same. mine will last a couple years, yours, a few months.

edit to add, they have a slight UPC label change. that's all.


The companies sell cheaper versions of thier products to big box stores to dupe you the consumer into thinking you are getting a deal.


I won't even get into thier "meat and fish" departments and the havoc they reek on the ecosystem and your health. :lol:
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
No, the lucky brand jeans you are wearing that you got for $20 are not the same as the $100 pair, I am wearing, even though all the labels are the same. mine will last a couple years, yours, a few months.


The companies sell cheaper versions of thier products to big box stores to dupe you the consumer into thinking you are getting a deal.


I won't even get into thier "meat and fish" departments and the havoc they reek on the ecosystem and your health. :lol:
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Well, I have a generic body, so designer clothing would just be a waste on me.
You got a link of meat and fish? how they "reek"?
Hardly anybody goes to Costco looking for the kind of quality you speak of, not really, do they?
 
It seems this thread is full of people that don't understand how free markets allocate resources. But now that the statists have been moving in for several decades and the waste in the system is becoming ever more evident, can we finally read road to serfdom and give it a try? If not please explain how a single entity, be it a person or government, can receive information on the state of a market and make precise decisions based on the efficient allocation of resources more efficiently than a system of free market prices? (interest rates are prices as well, i'm looking at you pro-central-banking neocons)
 
UtahBill said:
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Well, I have a generic body, so designer clothing would just be a waste on me.
You got a link of meat and fish? how they "reek"?
Hardly anybody goes to Costco looking for the kind of quality you speak of, not really, do they?
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My spelling errors and typos indicate a lack of interest, not intellect. :prof :2razz


http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2009/03/costco_shrimp_lawsuit_involved.php



but my real gripe is with thier quality control of thier shrimp. and use of companies with less than stellar sustainable fishing practices.



as for the clothes, they don't last, they are junk, you are wasting your money.


Go get some wranglers from a work store, carhartts what not if you want value for your generic body.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
My spelling errors and typos indicate a lack of interest, not intellect. :prof :2razz


Costco Shrimp Lawsuit Involved Eight Month 'Investigation ... From New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to California' - San Francisco News - The Snitch



but my real gripe is with thier quality control of thier shrimp. and use of companies with less than stellar sustainable fishing practices.



as for the clothes, they don't last, they are junk, you are wasting your money.


Go get some wranglers from a work store, carhartts what not if you want value for your generic body.
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You call them shrimp, I call them bugs...
My generic body only needs covering, not decorating.
 
UtahBill said:
You call them shrimp, I call them bugs...
My generic body only needs covering, not decorating.
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I'm trying to tell you friend, the wranglers, and the carharts will cost you the same and last 10 times as long. :lol:
 
American said:
We're going to deal with it, real soon. You can sit there and let your rights be taken away. In fact you probably should have your right reduced given your political tendencies. The less right you have to do anything at all, the better.
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That's the ticket American, you stand up for your right not to wear seatbelts and have less light for more money!
 
Catawba said:
That's the ticket American, you stand up for your right not to wear seatbelts and have less light for more money!
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Freedom is a bitch. :shrug:


I'd rather not wear a seatbelt, and spend more money of old lightbulbs than be told at gunpoint, fine and imprisonment, I can't do such things. Statism vs. liberty. we see where you stand.
 
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