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PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

Boo Radley said:
It would come no where new as huge a lie as those who won the last two. :coffeepap
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So still buying the Polifact lie of the year which happens to be a source used by the left to shape the agenda? How does anyone know that this so call "lie of the year" is truly a lie?
 
Conservative said:
Political lie of the year and every year, "If you like your doctor or insurance plan you can keep it!" Your premiums doubled, why?
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It's not surprising. Premiums have been going up by 20 and 30% pretty regularly. It doesn't take long for them to double given that rate of increase.

The cost of health care might come as a surprise to those whose employers have been paying for insurance premiums, and who haven't done more than have a physical or a visit to get flu meds over the past few years. Anyone who has been to a hospital, and who looked at the total cost, would have been shocked at the bottom line.
 
Conservative said:
So still buying the Polifact lie of the year which happens to be a source used by the left to shape the agenda?
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of course he does. we all prefer our echo chambers; Boo is just a little more blatant about it than most.
 
cpwill said:
of course he does. we all prefer our echo chambers; Boo is just a little more blatant about it than most.
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Says the reader of NRO. :lamo :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
tell us what makes Polifact credible to you?
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Facts. The biggest lie is a subjective thing. But the fact checks they done have been done well, and factual. Of course you have to be interested in the truth to care. :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
tell us what makes Polifact credible to you?
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it tells him what he wants to hear; and agrees with him on subjective matters. for example: Glenn Beck said that an Obama science advisor had advocated the use of mass sterilization for population control. politifact pointed out that the man had only said that it would be necessary to avoid worse calamities (surely the real debate here should be over a man who thinks that political elites have the right to honestly consider mass-sterilizing the rest of us), which (they claimed) isn't "advocation". that distinction was enough to earn Beck Politifacts' "Pants on Fire" award. now, had anything that ridiculous been presented to Boo (who is intelligent) in any other context, he would immediately have highlighted the obvious confirmation bias. but since Boo also wants to degrade Glenn Beck, he accepts and champions the abuse.
 
Boo Radley said:
It would come no where new as huge a lie as those who won the last two. :coffeepap
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no.... putting aside the debate over their accuracy; there seems to be little dispute that the advocates of those views believed what they were saying. Obama, clearly, knew he was lying even as he did it.

the dividing line for you seems to be that his lie served purposes of which you approved.
 
Boo Radley said:
Facts. The biggest lie is a subjective thing. But the fact checks they done have been done well, and factual. Of course you have to be interested in the truth to care. :coffeepap
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How do you know that the truth on a program that doesn't go into effect for 4 years?
 
Conservative said:
How do you know that the truth on a program that doesn't go into effect for 4 years?
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Objective truth or your subjective truth? It any case, I'm fairly familar with the Bill.
 
cpwill said:
no.... putting aside the debate over their accuracy; there seems to be little dispute that the advocates of those views believed what they were saying. Obama, clearly, knew he was lying even as he did it.

the dividing line for you seems to be that his lie served purposes of which you approved.
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If either of those actually "BELIEVE" the lies they told, they're too stupid to breath. So, I don't buy that argument. And no, that's your spin again, you ignoring the extreme of the liars on your side while trying to make a smaller lie equal.
 
Boo Radley said:
Objective truth or your subjective truth? It any case, I'm fairly familar with the Bill.
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You are familiar with the bill but not the implemenation of that bill because it hasn't been implemented yet and won't be for another 4 years yet you willingly buy the lie of the year when there are more obvious lies which I posted.
 
Boo Radley said:
If either of those actually "BELIEVE" the lies they told, they're too stupid to breath. So, I don't buy that argument. And no, that's your spin again, you ignoring the extreme of the liars on your side while trying to make a smaller lie equal.
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I would say that over 16 million people unemployed today aren't concerned with a lie of the year being about Healthcare but are concerned about the 8% Obama lie.
 
Conservative said:
You are familiar with the bill but not the implemenation of that bill because it hasn't been implemented yet and won't be for another 4 years yet you willingly buy the lie of the year when there are more obvious lies which I posted.
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NO, you have not posted anything I consider more obvious, or near as large. Nothing about when the Bill is fully implemented makes the winner less a lie. Sorry.
 
Boo Radley said:
NO, you have not posted anything I consider more obvious, or near as large. Nothing about when the Bill is fully implemented makes the winner less a lie. Sorry.
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Sorry is right, since there is no implementation there can be no lie unless in the liberal lefwing world. Amazing that you continue to buy the rhetoric from the left.
 
Conservative said:
I would say that over 16 million people unemployed today aren't concerned with a lie of the year being about Healthcare but are concerned about the 8% Obama lie.
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A miscalculation isn't a lie. It's a miscalculation.
 
Conservative said:
There were no calculations there was a complete lie for personal gain and to divert blame.
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You still have not learned the difference between a projection and a lie.
 
E_Pluribus_Venom said:
A miscalculation isn't a lie. It's a miscalculation.
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lie    

noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Since Obama has been classified as one of the smartest people to ever hold the office there is no way a smart person could have been this far off without an intent to deceive and then blame the results on someone else.
 
Conservative said:
lie    

noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Since Obama has been classified as one of the smartest people to ever hold the office there is no way a smart person could have been this far off without an intent to deceive and then blame the results on someone else.
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There was a man on TV the other day telling us it would rain, and it didn't. Did he lie?
 
Dittohead not! said:
There was a man on TV the other day telling us it would rain, and it didn't. Did he lie?
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Yes. He knew it wouldn't rain, but a consortium of umbrealla manufacturers had lobbied him to say otherwise.
 
Dittohead not! said:
There was a man on TV the other day telling us it would rain, and it didn't. Did he lie?
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That man on the TV isn't the President of the United States, an individual that some claim is the smartest person ever to hold the office.Per my post and the dictionary definition of a lie, that is what he did, intentionaly deceived, stated a falsehood because even some of the least educated knew that expansion of the govt. wasn't going to grow the private sector economy.

As for the actual "lie of the year" again how can one claim that it is a lie when the program hasn't been implemented yet? Why don't you define "death panel" for us? Would rationing healthcare be construed as part of any death panel?
 
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