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Firstly, you are assuming that I have never run a business. 100% turnover... that's outrageous and says something about the company. And, if you want to go the partisan hack route, a CONSERVATIVE ran a business that was crummy enough that every single employee left within the year. Perhaps if CONSERVATIVES had a bit more concern about their employees that wouldn't happen.

Now, do you want to discuss the topic without your normal partisan hackery, or do you want to continue this? Because if you do, I'll gladly keep going.

As has been pointed out to you, 100% turnover isn't abnormal in the business I was in and in fact was quite low, the best in the industry and believe me I did competitive surveys to find out. You immediately jumped on the quality of the company. You are right, I don't know if you ran a business just like you don't know what kind of company I ran. You immediately jumped on questioning the company which shows your partisan hackery. you showed once again that typical stereotyping that 100% is outrageous without knowing the circumstances? I call that making statements on a topic you know little about.
 
I wouldn't expect 100% turnover even at a grocery store or a fast food place. High turnover, certainly, because of the nature of the job, but not 100%. My brother's been working at a grocery store for 9 years. I know a couple of people who have been there that long or longer.

Considering that the turnover rate would also include filling the same position multiple times in a year. You could have some long term employee's but if you replace the midnight shift workers every 3 months you will still have a highe turnover while maintaining some experienced staff
 
WTF

I stated that high turnover would be expected at a grocery store due to the people being hired and lack of opportunities for skilled employees and you go on a tangent ranting about Liberals.

Sorry it was not a grocery store but a chain of convenience stores. Which is generally quite closer


And some offense, I strongly doubt you ran a 1200 store chain, you do not appear to have the knowledge base to be able to run an operation of that size. Perhaps being the manager of convenience store, but certainly not a 1200 store chain

I said I had 1200 on the payroll of 140 stores. LOL, had to take a shot, didn't you. Does that liberal arrogance serve you well? I only wish I could be half as smart as you think you are.
 
Considering that the turnover rate would also include filling the same position multiple times in a year. You could have some long term employee's but if you replace the midnight shift workers every 3 months you will still have a highe turnover while maintaining some experienced staff

Starting to figure it out? A location with 8 employees might 2 or 3 employees turning over more than once for various reasons. I am sure you can figure out how that could add up to 1200 in a year. I suggest you read actually what I post instead of what you want to see, like a chain of 1200 stores instead of 1200 employees.
 
As has been pointed out to you, 100% turnover isn't abnormal in the business I was in and in fact was quite low, the best in the industry and believe me I did competitive surveys to find out. You immediately jumped on the quality of the company. You are right, I don't know if you ran a business just like you don't know what kind of company I ran. You immediately jumped on questioning the company which shows your partisan hackery. you showed once again that typical stereotyping that 100% is outrageous without knowing the circumstances? I call that making statements on a topic you know little about.

All you're doing is demonstrating that you cannot discuss any topic without placing blame on external sources and without making pointless partisan hack statements. Your bias is clear as glass. If your turnover rate is that high, you need to look at the company, also. But you refuse, because of your hack blinders. For you to assume that 100% employee turnover has nothing to do with the company demonstrates partisan hackery and complete lack of objectivity. This is not surprising, as this is what defines your posts.
 
Considering that the turnover rate would also include filling the same position multiple times in a year. You could have some long term employee's but if you replace the midnight shift workers every 3 months you will still have a highe turnover while maintaining some experienced staff

It still wouldn't get to 100%, unless you're using some sort of weird math.
 
Starting to figure it out? A location with 8 employees might 2 or 3 employees turning over more than once for various reasons. I am sure you can figure out how that could add up to 1200 in a year. I suggest you read actually what I post instead of what you want to see, like a chain of 1200 stores instead of 1200 employees.

Starting to figure it out?


LOL

I know what turnover rates mean and how they can be high, when you have to fill the same position multiple times. 100% is still quite high for all employees
 
It still wouldn't get to 100%, unless you're using some sort of weird math.

well in all fairness if a company lasts long enough it will have 100% turnover:mrgreen:

everyone who was an employee of P&G when my great grandfather was a director no longer works there (they are all long dead!)
 
I said I had 1200 on the payroll of 140 stores. LOL, had to take a shot, didn't you. Does that liberal arrogance serve you well? I only wish I could be half as smart as you think you are.

I wish you were half as smart as I actually am


As for taking a shot, turnabout is fairplay is it not?
 
well in all fairness if a company lasts long enough it will have 100% turnover:mrgreen:

everyone who was an employee of P&G when my great grandfather was a director no longer works there (they are all long dead!)

That's true, but he's saying EVERY YEAR the turnover rate is 100%.
 
It still wouldn't get to 100%, unless you're using some sort of weird math.

You certainly don't know much about the industry but that doesn't stop you from judging me or my performance. Who is placing blame other than you? What blame have I placed? Then please dazzle me with your intellectual superiority by telling me what in my post is partisan hackery? I really suggest that you gain more experience in my industry before telling me that it is the company's fault for 100% turnover. How long would you expect a part time employee to work? How about promotions and replacing those individuals? How about full time employees deciding to go back to college under our college reimbursement program? You might want to reconsider the tone of your posts.
 
I wish you were half as smart as I actually am


As for taking a shot, turnabout is fairplay is it not?

You are right, you are a legend in your own mind. No one can be as smart as you say you are, totally impossible.
 
well in all fairness if a company lasts long enough it will have 100% turnover:mrgreen:

everyone who was an employee of P&G when my great grandfather was a director no longer works there (they are all long dead!)

In the end you are all dead (I plan on living for ever)

But 100% turnover per year is quite high


The company I am with is a seasonal business. Most workers are hired for periods of 2-8 months per year, a few work for 10 months per year. We dont have anything near a 100% turnover and at least 50% return year after year with only those workers at the bottom of the senority list tending to quit and find other work (seasonal work is not exactly income stable)
 
How is there to be any honest and frank discussion of the issues when some of you insist on demonizing those who simply see things differently than you and painting them in the most negative of light simply to make your own views look nobler?
 
You are right, you are a legend in your own mind. No one can be as smart as you say you are, totally impossible.

Not really I am above average in intelligence, but no where in that department

Which is why I feel sorry for you. To be above the drooling moron status must be a hardship for you
 
I know, i was hoping to get things back on track. I failed:doh

My post that you responded to has taken off on a tangent due to some not wanting to address the actual content of that post. Instead they want to make the turnover rate the issue,not the salary, not the benefits, not the bonuses, but ignoring that there are a lot of bad people that steal and take advantage of every situation, something that liberals ignore.
 
Not really I am above average in intelligence, but no where in that department

Which is why I feel sorry for you. To be above the drooling moron status must be a hardship for you

It really is, but a cross that I have to bare for a lifetime. Somehow I will just muddle through it. Don't feel sorry for me, I will survive. At least my 5 grandkids still love me. Don't tell them what a failure I am, ok?
 
You certainly don't know much about the industry but that doesn't stop you from judging me or my performance. Who is placing blame other than you? What blame have I placed? Then please dazzle me with your intellectual superiority by telling me what in my post is partisan hackery? I really suggest that you gain more experience in my industry before telling me that it is the company's fault for 100% turnover. How long would you expect a part time employee to work? How about promotions and replacing those individuals? How about full time employees deciding to go back to college under our college reimbursement program? You might want to reconsider the tone of your posts.

Here you go. Here are your hack statements... in this thread alone. There's not enough bandwidth on the internet to catalague all of them from this site:

In spite of this I had employees steal from the company with one employee stealing over $75000. These are the people liberals refuse to acknowledge exist and are the ones they want tax dollars to help.

It wasn't a grocery store but notice how individuals immediately question the company. Obviously people who never ran a business don't understand that all these employees get paid with the owner the last one, getting what is left over. Guess that is fair in the liberal world

I said I had 1200 on the payroll of 140 stores. LOL, had to take a shot, didn't you. Does that liberal arrogance serve you well? I only wish I could be half as smart as you think you are.

That was easy. And yes, you are placing the blame solely on the employees, not considering possible alternatives. THIS rigidity sounds like a reason that the company had so much turnover... but of course, you would never consider looking at things objectively, and considering all possible options.

As far as the tone of my posts, it will change when you stop posting like a blind partisan hack and look at situations less inflexibly. I'll be waiting.
 
My post that you responded to has taken off on a tangent due to some not wanting to address the actual content of that post. Instead they want to make the turnover rate the issue,not the salary, not the benefits, not the bonuses, but ignoring that there are a lot of bad people that steal and take advantage of every situation, something that liberals ignore.

And there are a lot of bad companies out there... something that conservatives ignore. See? You post like a hack, and I'll respond showing how ridiculous your comments are. I can do this all day. If you don't want me to keep demonstrating how hackish you post, stop doing it.
 
Store Owners Tackle HR Issues - Features - Convenience Store News - Single Store Owner

On average, one-store operators employ 9.5 store associates and one store manager, according to the CSNews for the Single Store Owner survey of 149 single stores (51 percent of respondents) and multi-store operators (49 percent), conducted in February and March 2010.

Single-store retailers hold on to their employees much longer than the average multi-store operator. Store associates working for single-store operators stayed an average of 2.6 years, compared to 1.9 years for those at chain retailers. Single-store managers average 6.3 years of service, compared to 5.9 years for those working for larger retailers.

At the 24-hour, foodservice-heavy Short Stop Deli in Ithaca, N.Y., owners Albert and Cindy Smith average 25 employees, depending on the season.

“We spend a great deal of time with the employees, developing relationships and trying to keep small problems small,” Albert Smith said.

The store has little management turnover, he said. Some senior employees — including a general manager, three managers and eight employees authorized to supervise 21 shifts per week — have logged between five and 18 years of service at Short Stop Deli
The above link is about managing employee turnover at small retain type oulets

From looking at various stats it would appear the turn over rate is generally about 55% for non managment staff for the companies that responded to the survey
 
Here you go. Here are your hack statements... in this thread alone. There's not enough bandwidth on the internet to catalague all of them from this site:







That was easy. And yes, you are placing the blame solely on the employees, not considering possible alternatives. THIS rigidity sounds like a reason that the company had so much turnover... but of course, you would never consider looking at things objectively, and considering all possible options.

As far as the tone of my posts, it will change when you stop posting like a blind partisan hack and look at situations less inflexibly. I'll be waiting.

What the hell are you talking about, those are real life stories and issues. Haven't heard one liberal address the employee problems and that there are bad employees in the business world, people that steal, people that cheat but it is always the companies fault. now if you want to address the reality have at it, but your strawman is just that, made out of straw. I posted the salary range, benefits, and opportunities for advancement which are real yet that didn't stop you from making your accusations. Notice that you didn't respond when I asked about part time employees, people going back to college, second income employees that left to stay at home, or any number of other reasons other than a bad company for turnover. Your partisanship is truly showing and now I can honestly say that I believe you have never run a business or ever had your own money invested in anything. Had you, then you wouldn't be making statements like you are making.

Pretty easy to ignore the shots I have taken in this forum, isn't it?
 
Store Owners Tackle HR Issues - Features - Convenience Store News - Single Store Owner

The above link is about managing employee turnover at small retain type oulets

From looking at various stats it would appear the turn over rate is generally about 55% for non managment staff for the companies that responded to the survey

So are you ever going to focus on the fact that it isn't always the company's fault for high turnover and that even C-Store News has significant turnover? Why would a company have 55% turnover? Must be bad companies, right?
 
What the hell are you talking about, those are real life stories and issues. Haven't heard one liberal address the employee problems and that there are bad employees in the business world, people that steal, people that cheat but it is always the companies fault.

That is a partisan hack statement. Have you spoken to EVERY liberal? Your overgeneralizations are SO easy to expose. Tell us why no conservatives ever consider that there might be bad companies? See how ridiculous that sounds? Every bit as ridiculous as what you said.

now if you want to address the reality have at it, but your strawman is just that, made out of straw. I posted the salary range, benefits, and opportunities for advancement which are real yet that didn't stop you from making your accusations.

Your strawman is what is the issue. That liberals always blame companies and the employees are always at fault. I know you hate looking in the mirror because it messes with your worldview, but you might find some objectivity if you did. And you wouldn't get confronted on your hackery so often.

Notice that you didn't respond when I asked about part time employees, people going back to college, second income employees that left to stay at home, or any number of other reasons other than a bad company for turnover.

You didn't mention them until several posts later. But notice that you didn't mention poor management, poor hiring practices, or poor working conditions for reasons for turnover. You just blamed the employees for the turnover.

You make this SO easy.

Your partisanship is truly showing and now I can honestly say that I believe you have never run a business or ever had your own money invested in anything. Had you, then you wouldn't be making statements like you are making.

Your partisanship is, as usual, showing completely, it makes me believe that if you HAD run a company, if it failed it was because you refused to look at any reasons other than those that fit your narrow partisanship.

So easy.

Pretty easy to ignore the shots I have taken in this forum, isn't it?

If you don't want shots, cease the partisan hackery. It's that simple.
 
And there are a lot of bad companies out there... something that conservatives ignore. See? You post like a hack, and I'll respond showing how ridiculous your comments are. I can do this all day. If you don't want me to keep demonstrating how hackish you post, stop doing it.

Conservative has ignored no such thing, I stole a lot of employees from bad companies, promoted many of those same employees into management positions. Still waiting for you to show how ridiculous my comments are? What I spoke was the truth, companies aren't always to blame for turnover. time for a little fair and balanced look.
 
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