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CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

Kev316 said:
One, we have high taxes because we have good services. We want that, here. That doesn't need explaining to you because you have no experience with it. We have good roads, good infrastructure, good schools, a robust safety net for women and children - especially children. We take care of our own, a Biblical principle I don't expect you to know much about. Isaiah 58, if you want to know what ultimately happens to nations, and people, that refuse to care for their needy and down-trodden.

Maybe, just maybe, you fine little conservative wrecking balls could be constructive for just a bit? Btw, if you are so effing brilliant and your policies so great, why the crash? Why the crash after Reagan's folly? Why, when all is said and done, cons have grown government more than anyone since Johnson? You realize Reagan grew it about 185%, little George about 89%, right? Clinton? About half of what little George grew it. Carter? About 38%.

Stop lying or get educated. One or the other, please.
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According to liberals high taxes mean no deficit and your state has among the highest in the nation and 15 billion deficit in 2010. Facts don't mean anything to you yet you tell me I am lying. What is it about the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Sunshine Review that is a lie. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Seems those numbers worked quite well when Clinton was taking credit for the employment but not now? 9.6% unemployment is terrible yet for some reason you think that is a good thing. One of these days you are going to get a job and find the value of more take home pay. Hope I am around to see that.
 
UtahBill said:
Victoria Advocate | Morrison says budget shortfall biggest challenge

Read it and weep, no caterpillar plant will make up for THIS disaster....everything in Texas is big, budgets, egos, mouths....
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Let's see if I have this right, the budget of TX for fiscal year 2011-2012 hasn't been debated or written yet but all these experts know there will be a huge shortfall. Why are these sources credible and the history of TX not? TX requires a balanced budget, has no state income taxes, and a part time legislature.

I find it quite telling that you and others seem to take great job in posting false information that in no way is accurate. Please explain why? Could it be that TX is successful and its economic policies make liberals look foolish?
 
UtahBill said:
poverty in Texas....big state, tiny govt teats...


http://www.basicneedscoalition.org/documents/2010PovertyFactsheet.pdf

Texas seeks answers to rising poverty rate | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Regional News
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Yet the state of TX just elected another 20 Republicans to the Legislature. Obviously they didn't get your memo, wonder why the people are turning against liberalism? Apparently there is a disconnect between what you are reporting and what is actually happening in this state. You seem to have a serious problem giving credit where it is due and stealing shamelessly. Seems to me that Utah is a Conservative state and the people there understand personal responsibility. It doesn't appear that you have grasped that concept.
 
UtahBill said:
poverty in Texas....big state, tiny govt teats...


http://www.basicneedscoalition.org/documents/2010PovertyFactsheet.pdf

Texas seeks answers to rising poverty rate | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Regional News
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A lot of people wouldn't survive in TX because they don't understand personal responsibility. You obviously think it is the role of the govt. to guarantee individuals a "fair" wage yet I have never seen you tell us how much that is? How about telling us what a fair tax rate is for the rich? People keep moving to TX so obviously they have a different opinion of TX than you and others here. What do they know that you don't?
 
Conservative said:
According to liberals high taxes mean no deficit and your state has among the highest in the nation and 15 billion deficit in 2010. Facts don't mean anything to you yet you tell me I am lying. What is it about the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Sunshine Review that is a lie. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Seems those numbers worked quite well when Clinton was taking credit for the employment but not now? 9.6% unemployment is terrible yet for some reason you think that is a good thing. One of these days you are going to get a job and find the value of more take home pay. Hope I am around to see that.
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You really don't know what liberals believe, other than what you've been told. Again, if your policies are so good, why the deficits and government growth under your administrations? Why are we in this mess now? I mean, you got two rounds of tax cuts through, and lost 800,000 jobs in 8 years. I'm sorry you are too, um, blind - yeah, blind - to understand your policies created this, but oh well. I'm sure the Boner will fix everything in the House. It'll be fun to watch Pelosi kick his ass - again.

Now take your petulant little self and go play with the other spoiled children.
 
Kev316 said:
Prosperity Christianity. Behold the anti-Christ in all it's splendor. Yes, they avoid Matthew (and Luke) quite a bit. Inconvenient truth. Not sure how that works, but hatred, us against them, keeps the tithes a comin'. See, according to prosperity Christianity, good Christians prosper. If one is not materially prospering, one must be out of sinc with God and, therefor, not worth the time, especially if they refuse a witness.

Meanwhile, those of us who are not the "right kind" of Christians are taking food to the homeless on Lower Whacker Drive, supporting cold whether shelters, helping cook meals, passing out condoms and needles to prevent HIV... Huh, never see too many fundies down there doing this work. But they look good on the TeeVee machine.
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See, there you go again, pushing off personal responsibilities to the Federal Govt, because you cannot sell it in the states. Always giving us one side of the equation, the negative one. TX has the 11th largest economy in the world, is home for more Fortune 1000 Companies than any other state and all I get from you is whining and distortions. The actual results here make you look foolish.
 
Conservative said:
A lot of people wouldn't survive in TX because they don't understand personal responsibility. You obviously think it is the role of the govt. to guarantee individuals a "fair" wage yet I have never seen you tell us how much that is? How about telling us what a fair tax rate is for the rich? People keep moving to TX so obviously they have a different opinion of TX than you and others here. What do they know that you don't?
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You people realize that liberals, as a group, are a hell of a lot more successful, wealthier and "self-made" than your average con, right? What? You think I made money sitting around waiting to rape the middle class so I can succeed? Uh uh. Started with 1 big truck. Then 2. Then 3...

Liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families. So, how ya gonna square that triangle? Why are conservatives taking my money? Know what the welfare rates are for cons? No different than libs. Abortion? Same. Divorce? Same. Food Stamps? Same. Head Start? Same. So here's a bit of truth for you: Liberals do just fine. Chances are good I make a lot more money than you. The difference? I don't exploit the needy and blame them for their condition. I don't blame the victim. When something is wrong, I look within. I don't blame Obama, or Bush, or Conservatards, or Muslims, or freaky Christians. I find my own faults and fix it - without you or anyone else.

So - you are basically dead wrong and know nothing about liberals, or progressives, or Democrats. You know what a small mind and hatred teach you, nothing more.

6% more money we make and you dare accuse us of sloth? Sorry, but as I always say, projection is a terrible thing. You'll never see your own shortcomings if you keep laying them on everyone else.
 
Kev316 said:
You people realize that liberals, as a group, are a hell of a lot more successful, wealthier and "self-made" than your average con, right? What? You think I made money sitting around waiting to rape the middle class so I can succeed? Uh uh. Started with 1 big truck. Then 2. Then 3...

Liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families. So, how ya gonna square that triangle? Why are conservatives taking my money? Know what the welfare rates are for cons? No different than libs. Abortion? Same. Divorce? Same. Food Stamps? Same. Head Start? Same. So here's a bit of truth for you: Liberals do just fine. Chances are good I make a lot more money than you. The difference? I don't exploit the needy and blame them for their condition. I don't blame the victim. When something is wrong, I look within. I don't blame Obama, or Bush, or Conservatards, or Muslims, or freaky Christians. I find my own faults and fix it - without you or anyone else.

So - you are basically dead wrong and know nothing about liberals, or progressives, or Democrats. You know what a small mind and hatred teach you, nothing more.

6% more money we make and you dare accuse us of sloth? Sorry, but as I always say, projection is a terrible thing. You'll never see your own shortcomings if you keep laying them on everyone else.
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I am done with you before I get banned. Your economic ignorance is staggering.
 
Conservative said:
See, there you go again, pushing off personal responsibilities to the Federal Govt, because you cannot sell it in the states. Always giving us one side of the equation, the negative one. TX has the 11th largest economy in the world, is home for more Fortune 1000 Companies than any other state and all I get from you is whining and distortions. The actual results here make you look foolish.
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Where did I mention the federal government in my Christianity post? Well? WHERE? I only addressed Prosperity Christianity and the work my church does. Now you have a problem with taking care of the less fortunate in a religious setting?

Listen Baby Einstein: I can give my time, talents and money to whom I please. What I do in my church has nothing to do with government - another first amendment right you probably know nothing about. I have a few suggestions for you, but I don't need any more hit-points because you cons can't handle debate.

As I've said, I can buy and sell you three times over. Seriously, leave me alone.
 
Conservative said:
A lot of people wouldn't survive in TX because they don't understand personal responsibility. You obviously think it is the role of the govt. to guarantee individuals a "fair" wage yet I have never seen you tell us how much that is? How about telling us what a fair tax rate is for the rich? People keep moving to TX so obviously they have a different opinion of TX than you and others here. What do they know that you don't?
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OF course you can link us back to where I said any of that? If you weren't so busy with mental masturbation you would remember that I have said many times that we have a lot of slackers, some of them my siblings. But that in no way means that the disadvantaged are also slackers....
As far as Texans knowing what I don't? I suppose they are better at skinning squirrels...
 
Conservative said:
I am done with you before I get banned. Your economic ignorance is staggering.
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Good. But I'm wealthy, and you're not. Average of 6%. Maybe you should stop with the kool-aide? Now, take your little self and leave the wealth to those that can handle it responsibly.
 
UtahBill said:
OF course you can link us back to where I said any of that? If you weren't so busy with mental masturbation you would remember that I have said many times that we have a lot of slackers, some of them my siblings. But that in no way means that the disadvantaged are also slackers....
As far as Texans knowing what I don't? I suppose they are better at skinning squirrels...
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I'm noticing focus is an issue here.
 
Conservative said:
Yet the state of TX just elected another 20 Republicans to the Legislature. Obviously they didn't get your memo, wonder why the people are turning against liberalism? Apparently there is a disconnect between what you are reporting and what is actually happening in this state. You seem to have a serious problem giving credit where it is due and stealing shamelessly. Seems to me that Utah is a Conservative state and the people there understand personal responsibility. It doesn't appear that you have grasped that concept.
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Do you have any idea why Texas petitioned the United States to become a state in the first place? You couldn't pay your war debt and were ascared of Mexico. So please...
 
Kev316 said:
Do you have any idea why Texas petitioned the United States to become a state in the first place? You couldn't pay your war debt and were ascared of Mexico. So please...
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Mexico is invading the southwestern states everyday, not too many states are doing much about it.
It is bad enough that we outsource/export jobs to Mexico, do we have to import Mexican labor for the jobs we can't export?
 
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UtahBill said:
Mexico is invading the southwestern states everyday, not too many states are doing much about it.
It is bad enough that we outsource/export jobs to Mexico, do we have to import Mexican labor for the jobs we can't export?
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We don't have to worry about it when they secede and become Texico.
 
Kev316 said:
We don't have to worry about it when they secede and become Texico.
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Now that sounds like a good idea...if Texas becomes the property of Mexico, it would likely increase the average IQ of both nations...:2razz:
 
Kev316 said:
Can you please point out where I asked for anything for myself? I will be happy to review it. As a long haul truck driver I can assure you I have plenty of money, thanks. I'm guessing I could buy and sell you three times over. There, now do I have credibility? I'm fairly well off, so I count and am to be admired? Whatever.

So, where did I demand anything of my government, for myself, in any of these posts? ANY OF THEM. I'm sticking up for the poor and fighting the nasty. Nothing more.
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Yeah I believe you I really do
 
Kev316 said:
Where did I mention the federal government in my Christianity post? Well? WHERE? I only addressed Prosperity Christianity and the work my church does. Now you have a problem with taking care of the less fortunate in a religious setting?

Listen Baby Einstein: I can give my time, talents and money to whom I please. What I do in my church has nothing to do with government - another first amendment right you probably know nothing about. I have a few suggestions for you, but I don't need any more hit-points because you cons can't handle debate.

As I've said, I can buy and sell you three times over. Seriously, leave me alone.
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So what is your net worth? I call BS on this idiotic claim.
 
TurtleDude said:
So what is your net worth? I call BS on this idiotic claim.
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And what you decide effects me - how, exactly? My net worth matters to two people only: My ex-wife and the Federal Government. Other than that, I don't answer to you.

However, I'm sure you can do some quick math on 115 Kenworth T-2000 tractors and 150 vans. Add another 60 triple tits along with 50 tractors. Then add the full shop, wash bays, and office. You can get an idea from there.
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah I believe you I really do
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Oh, Ohio. That explains it. You see my trucks all the time in Ohio. Btw, you have yet to point out where I have asked anything for myself in any of my posts. The only one asking for things is you people, actually. Waaa...
 
Kev316 said:
Oh, Ohio. That explains it. You see my trucks all the time in Ohio. Btw, you have yet to point out where I have asked anything for myself in any of my posts. The only one asking for things is you people, actually. Waaa...
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A trucking magnate who sounds like a marxist-leninist? Don't think so
 
Kev316 said:
Good. But I'm wealthy, and you're not. Average of 6%. Maybe you should stop with the kool-aide? Now, take your little self and leave the wealth to those that can handle it responsibly.
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I can tell exactly how wealthy you are by the content of your posts. You don't know me but you do post a lot of hot air. Suggest you do some research of my past posts which will give you an idea of who I am and who you are dealing with. Your condescending attitude and arrogance is showing, all internet boasting I am sure. Merry Christmas!
 
Conservative said:
I can tell exactly how wealthy you are by the content of your posts. You don't know me but you do post a lot of hot air. Suggest you do some research of my past posts which will give you an idea of who I am and who you are dealing with. Your condescending attitude and arrogance is showing, all internet boasting I am sure. Merry Christmas!
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And he now claims to have super powers...

How humble :coffeepap
 
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