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CBS News Poll: Most Oppose GOP Tax Plan

Conservative said:
LOL, TX picked up Four Representatives, companies are moving to TX and bringing employees with them. How do you explain it?
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Didn't the increase in Reps come from increases in population ? If so, one could also consider people moving into TX from the south of it. Illegal aliens from Mexico who are counted in the Census. Also, many of them are becoming American citizens via the anchor baby racket.
 
Protectionist said:
Didn't the increase in Reps come from increases in population ? If so, one could also consider people moving into TX from the south of it. Illegal aliens from Mexico who are counted in the Census. Also, many of them are becoming American citizens via the anchor baby racket.
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The increase in population also includes companies moving to TX which I posted as well. It is all well and good to defend your state but it is also a sign of maturity to admit that your state has screwed up and has caused businesses to move out. Businesses are in business to make a profit and high taxes affect their ability to generate that profit to pay shareholders and employees. It is a concept that liberals don't seem to understand. Lower taxes in TX are attractive to businesses and the economy here is benefiting.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, TX picked up Four Representatives, companies are moving to TX and bringing employees with them. How do you explain it?
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Nobody here has to explain it. You are using the article to make your own particular ideological point. It is up to you to provide evidence which is sorely lacking in that piece you think says something but actually does not say what you it badly want it to say.
 
Protectionist said:
Didn't the increase in Reps come from increases in population ? If so, one could also consider people moving into TX from the south of it. Illegal aliens from Mexico who are counted in the Census. Also, many of them are becoming American citizens via the anchor baby racket.
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thats it ... its those damn illegals ... and maybe some coming just for the food ... or the weather .... or the movies in Austin ..... or dirt and dust... maybe lots of dust fans
 
haymarket said:
Nobody here has to explain it. You are using the article to make your own particular ideological point. It is up to you to provide evidence which is sorely lacking in that piece you think says something but actually does not say what you it badly want it to say.
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Absolutely amazing, nothing is going to change your mind and that is fine. One of these days you too will even grow up and realize how liberalism has made a fool out of you. I don't care whether you believe it or not as one great thing about this country is that you have the freedom to remain with your head buried in the sand and remain a believer in the liberal ideology. Once you finally realize how wrong you have been hopefully it won't be too late. It wasn't for me when I finally grew out of my own ignorance as the liberal rhetoric never achieved the promised results.
 
haymarket said:
NO NO NO NO NO

What I am asking you is to explain to me and everyone here just how this entire NET TAXPAYER thing is computed. HOW is it done. What is measured? How are all taxes accounted for? How are all services accounted for? How are the various differences in people and what services they use accounted for?

I want to know the details of how this definition is arrived at.

You see I wanted to find out for myself but I went to Wikipedia and put in NET TAXPAYER and there is no such thing there.
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YES YES YES=It was being discussed constantly on various political talk shows-left and right.
 
haymarket said:
Would that be the same Dick Morris of the toe sucking episode with prostitutes?
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I expect the next time someone mentions clinton you will refer to him as the guy stuffing cigars up girls?
 
Conservative said:
Absolutely amazing, nothing is going to change your mind and that is fine. One of these days you too will even grow up and realize how liberalism has made a fool out of you. I don't care whether you believe it or not as one great thing about this country is that you have the freedom to remain with your head buried in the sand and remain a believer in the liberal ideology. Once you finally realize how wrong you have been hopefully it won't be too late. It wasn't for me when I finally grew out of my own ignorance as the liberal rhetoric never achieved the promised results.
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What does any of that have to do with the quote you reproduced from me asking for supporting evidence behind claims and allegations of fact?
 
TurtleDude said:
YES YES YES=It was being discussed constantly on various political talk shows-left and right.
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Talk shows???? Talk Shows!!!!!! TALK SHOWS!?!?!?!?!? You are freaking kidding all of us, right?

You throw around a term which attempts to disenfranchise tens of millions of people in this land and you cannot even point to a working definition of that term. I am shocked and horrified at your complete lack of intellectual honesty.



I have looked and can find nothing. I do not even think this concept exists outside of some ideological belief by you and your fellow travelers.

I ask you again to find and provide the appropriate evidence of just what it is, how the calculations are made in making this determination, and all other relevant facts needed to examine the methodology reached in this judgment.

Otherwise, its just a bunch of ideological BS... and it won't even fertilize my garden.
 
haymarket said:
Talk shows???? Talk Shows!!!!!! TALK SHOWS!?!?!?!?!? You are freaking kidding all of us, right?

You throw around a term which attempts to disenfranchise tens of millions of people in this land and you cannot even point to a working definition of that term. I am shocked and horrified at your complete lack of intellectual honesty.



I have looked and can find nothing. I do not even think this concept exists outside of some ideological belief by you and your fellow travelers.

I ask you again to find and provide the appropriate evidence of just what it is, how the calculations are made in making this determination, and all other relevant facts needed to examine the methodology reached in this judgment.

Otherwise, its just a bunch of ideological BS... and it won't even fertilize my garden.
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OH THE DRAMA

I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
OH THE DRAMA

I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote:mrgreen:
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So you DO NOT have the information requested about the so called 'net taxpayer' that you claim exist.

Attacking me, attacking my character, making statements about my right to vote - none of those things magically provide the information requested to support your claim.

Thank you for making it obvious to everyone that you simply do not have that information which supports your claims and allegations.
 
Protectionist said:
Somehow, I think that if what you call "the current lingo" was actually that, then in over 250 articles that I've had published in my other forum, in over 10,000 comments I've had published there and the verbal exchanges they precipitated, and in over 50,000 comments I've read from other members, somewhere along the line, these oddball words would have shown up. But they didn't. So I guess what I didn't know is your "current lingo". I can live with that.

Silence of the Lambs is nothing but another 3 1/2 star movie (one among thousands), and there's no necessity for anyone to have seen it, or know anything about it. Frankly, it doesn't have much significance on the grand scale of things as compared to really serious films like "Fitna" and "The Sum of All Fears", and the real-life political stories attached to them.

As for things cultural that have happened since 1982, well there was the "CONTRACT" (Dec. 1, 1982). Are you aware of that (and all its ramifications) ?

As for your question : "I'm the one with the misconception", Shoo-wee. Yup. You were the one in these words precisely > "..calling yourself an "independent" so as to claim some kind of objectivity is pretty lame when you post fringist drivel.", whereby you just got it wrong.
As I said before (and this is the last time I'm going to say it) I wasn't trying to "claim some kind of objectivity". The objectivity is something that comes with being an Independent seperate from party line
pressures, is established by sacrificing primary voting (not what youcall yourself), and in this case isn't "fringist" at all, since the majority of the American people agree with what I said (that there should not be tax cuts for the rich). Is this sinking in yet ? If not, too bad. I've wasted enough perfectly good time on this. Let's move on.
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Sinking in? :doh

You keep telling me I'm right! :lamo :lamo
 
TurtleDude said:
OH THE DRAMA

I couldn't care less what you think, ANd your constant claims I am not intellectually honest is among the most dishonest things I have seen on this board.

One thing is true, this country would be better off if people who think like you weren't allowed to vote:mrgreen:
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Just provide the information requested on this NET TAXPAYER concept and you can take a step towards proving your intellectual honesty. You use this as a weapon time and time again in thread after thread. So lets see what is behind it. Or is it just a mythical creation of the far right in an attempt to disenfranchise the voters who they do not want to vote?
 
Protectionist said:
I don't have to say it. The polls already have.
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Only in your fantasy world where people favoring a certain level of tax means they think that rich people's money doesn't belong to them. :lamo

Not very honest, are you?


As for "Islam isn't a real religion", that's been said by billions of people around the world for 1400 years.
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"Billions"? :rofl :lamo

What else is new ? The latest and most prestigious group to say it (link included) is the all-star writer cast of The Center for Security Policy's new book > "Shariah : The Threat To America".

They are :

MEMBERS OF TEAM B II
Team Leaders

LIEUTENANT GENERAL WILLIAM G. “JERRY” BOYKIN
US Army (Ret.), former Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense for Intelligence

LIEUTENANT GENERAL HARRY EDWARD SOYSTER
US Army (Ret.), former Director, Defense Intelligence Agency
Associates

CHRISTINE BRIM
Chief Operating Officer, Center for Security Policy

AMBASSADOR HENRY COOPER
former Chief Negotiator, Defense and Space Talks, former Director,
Strategic Defense Initiative

STEPHEN C. COUGHLIN, ESQ.
Major (Res.) USA, former Senior Consultant, Office of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff

MICHAEL DEL ROSSO
Senior Fellow, Claremont Institute and Center for Security Policy

FRANK J. GAFFNEY, JR.
former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy
(Acting), President, Center for Security Policy

JOHN GUANDOLO
former Special Agent, Counter-Terrorism Division, Federal Bureau of
Investigation

BRIAN KENNEDY
President, Claremont Institute

CLARE M. LOPEZ
Senior Fellow, Center for Security Policy

ADMIRAL JAMES A. “ACE” LYONS
US Navy (Ret.), former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet

ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
former Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney; Senior Fellow, National Review
Institute; Contributing Editor, National Review

PATRICK POOLE
Consultant to the military and law enforcement on anti-terrorism issues

JOSEPH E. SCHMITZ
former Inspector General, Department of Defense

TOM TRENTO
Executive Director, Florida Security Council

J. MICHAEL WALLER
Annenberg Professor of International Communication, Institute
of World Politics, and Vice President for Information Operations,
Center for Security Policy

DIANA WEST
author and columnist

R. JAMES WOOLSEY
former Director of Central Intelligence

DAVID YERUSHALMI, ESQ.
General Counsel to the Center for Security Policy

And here's a copy paste from 2 different pages of the book where they say it :

On page 30 > "Today, we are facing an internal threat that has masked itself as a religion (my emphasis) and that uses the tolerance for religious practice guaranteed by the Constitution’s First Amendment to parry efforts to restrict or prevent what amount to seditious activities".

Again, on Page 229 (and the title of Chapter 7) > "THE U.S. AND WESTERN VULNERABILITIES
TO A THREAT MASQUERADING AS A RELIGION.............229"

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....rica (Team B Report) Web Version 09302010.pdf
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OK, first of all, you didn't read your own quote very well, and second, even if you did, a dozen people out of 7 billion would, indeed, constitute . . . well, not even a fringe.


As for the militant veganism, those are your words not mine.
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No, you're just moved to desire to do violence over it. Those were indeed your words.


I'm not really militant about being a vegetarian, but if all vegetarians were "fringe", that would be a heck of a good fringe.
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Don't backpedal; you call yourself a vegan, not a mere "vegetarian," and vegans don't even rate 1% of the population. That's as fringe as fringe gets.
 
haymarket said:
What does any of that have to do with the quote you reproduced from me asking for supporting evidence behind claims and allegations of fact?
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Guess you are going to have to determine for yourself why businesses are moving to TX and why the population is growing here. Let me give you another hint, it isn't illegals as you indicated. Apparently in the liberal world taxes have little affect on economic decisions. After spending 35 years in the business world I know for a fact taxes play a major role in economic decision making. Taxes add to the costs and if those costs cannot be passed on to the consumer, businesses lose business, lose jobs, and negatively impact the economy.
 
Conservative said:
Guess you are going to have to determine for yourself why businesses are moving to TX and why the population is growing here. Let me give you another hint, it isn't illegals as you indicated. Apparently in the liberal world taxes have little affect on economic decisions. After spending 35 years in the business world I know for a fact taxes play a major role in economic decision making. Taxes add to the costs and if those costs cannot be passed on to the consumer, businesses lose business, lose jobs, and negatively impact the economy.
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What was it in the news lately about Texas having a budget shortfall of an estimated 11 to 14 BILLION dollars in the current budget? How would Texans feel about the governor proposing increased sales taxes, or god forbid, INCOME taxes, for Texas to make up the difference so Texas can have a balanced budget? Or does Texas still have enough oil sales to preclude an Income Tax?
With all the bad weather lately, record rains in California, record snowfall in the northeastern states, Texas might pick up some more businesses.
 
UtahBill said:
What was it in the news lately about Texas having a budget shortfall of an estimated 11 to 14 BILLION dollars in the current budget? How would Texans feel about the governor proposing increased sales taxes, or god forbid, INCOME taxes, for Texas to make up the difference so Texas can have a balanced budget? Or does Texas still have enough oil sales to preclude an Income Tax?
With all the bad weather lately, record rains in California, record snowfall in the northeastern states, Texas might pick up some more businesses.
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texas is perfect.
 
UtahBill said:
What was it in the news lately about Texas having a budget shortfall of an estimated 11 to 14 BILLION dollars in the current budget? How would Texans feel about the governor proposing increased sales taxes, or god forbid, INCOME taxes, for Texas to make up the difference so Texas can have a balanced budget? Or does Texas still have enough oil sales to preclude an Income Tax?
With all the bad weather lately, record rains in California, record snowfall in the northeastern states, Texas might pick up some more businesses.
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First of all TX has no state income taxes and that would require an amendment to the Constitution which isn't going to happen. The proposed budget shortfall for 2011-2012 is indeed 11-14 billion dollars and will be handled by budget cuts and a growth in revenue from the businesses moving to TX. I know how excited liberals are with the prospect of higher taxes but that doesn't seem to be on the agenda here.
 
liblady said:
i have relatives in midland-odessa.........how ironic for me.
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What I continue to be amazed at is the arrogance of liberals. Liberals learn nothing from the mistakes of other liberals and simply believe that the previous group of liberals didn't do a good enough job thus this group of liberals will do better.

I learned a long time ago to "steal shamelessly" meaning that if something is working in this state or another state, steal the idea and implement. God forbid that a liberal would do something like that. Instead liberal jealousy is showing just like their arrogance.
 
liblady said:
texas is perfect.
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Nope, no state is perfect but TX economic results are better than any other big state in the nation. Too bad liberal arrogance won't allow for stealing some of TX ideas.
 
Conservative said:
What I continue to be amazed at is the arrogance of liberals. Liberals learn nothing from the mistakes of other liberals and simply believe that the previous group of liberals didn't do a good enough job thus this group of liberals will do better.

I learned a long time ago to "steal shamelessly" meaning that if something is working in this state or another state, steal the idea and implement. God forbid that a liberal would do something like that. Instead liberal jealousy is showing just like their arrogance.
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your skidmarks are showing.
 
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