Poll: Tea Party GOP, Obama nearly tied for leader of choice

haymarket said:

Coming for you rev, I take that as a sign I am unmistakably correct. You are a perfect reverse barometer.

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We call that delusional.... :thumbs:

Where I came from, people who referred to themselves as "we" were in fact delusional. But thats okay.

haymarket said:

Where I came from, people who referred to themselves as "we" were in fact delusional. But thats okay.

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We'll planet earth waves a fair hello to you then. Here on planet earth, we refer to those who think the tea party is a political party as delusional. :shrug:

from the Rev

Here on planet earth, we refer to those who think the tea party is a political party as delusional.

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and in every one of my posts on the subject that is what I have repeatedly said. Which is exactly why we do not treat it with the same capitalization that we extend to the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party and many others.

glad to see we are on the same page on this.

Didn't read your post, you messed up the quote feature. :shrug:

no - quoted the sentence that was relevant.

Councilman said:

And this is why so much hateful rhetoric is being spewed by the Left.

They saw from the time of the giant Tea Party rally on 9-12 and the equally huge one on 8-28 that the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Libertarians, and many thinking Americans have had enough talk of Socialism/Marxism and the pack of lies belching forth from the "Trifecta of Doom," Oabama, Pelosi, Reid, all the Democrats, and Progressive Republicans.

We want this Administration to understand when the American people want change we want the Constitution to be left alone and intact.

Too many people misunderstood that when on "Mar 15, 2008 Obama said "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

They had no idea Obama meant destroy it and trample the Constitution.

I think Obama will not be running in 2012 because he will not be able to beat Hillary. All we have to do is make sure she is defeated before she runs.

This is all good news.

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A lot of independents, moderates, and Libertarians I know are not involved in the tea party and don't agree with it... With people like Michelle Bachman and Palin as the defacto leaders, the movement is not very appealing to moderates. Who is a moderate in that movement? Ironically, many politicians involved (like Bachman) are also open about changing the Constitution and scrapping some amendments, so they really don't want to protect the Constitution as it is.. they want to change the Constitution to what suits them and then promise to protect it...

I wouldn't call that protecting the Constitution... the next time the political wind changes, and they don't like something the Constitution says, will they propose scrapping that too? BS

haymarket said:

Coming for you rev, I take that as a sign I am unmistakably correct. You are a perfect reverse barometer.

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Coming from someone who is arguing as to whether, "Tea Party", should be capitalized, or not, Rev should be flattered.

Councilman said:

And this is why so much hateful rhetoric is being spewed by the Left.

They saw from the time of the giant Tea Party rally on 9-12 and the equally huge one on 8-28 that the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Libertarians, and many thinking Americans have had enough talk of Socialism/Marxism and the pack of lies belching forth from the "Trifecta of Doom," Oabama, Pelosi, Reid, all the Democrats, and Progressive Republicans.

We want this Administration to understand when the American people want change we want the Constitution to be left alone and intact.

Too many people misunderstood that when on "Mar 15, 2008 Obama said "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".

They had no idea Obama meant destroy it and trample the Constitution.

I think Obama will not be running in 2012 because he will not be able to beat Hillary. All we have to do is make sure she is defeated before she runs.

This is all good news.

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LOL....yeah....we are trembling over those 70K at the largest of the rallies. Man.....that is the wave of a new movement!

Zyphlin said:

Alright, maybe I need to make it more blatant for you that you need to actually address what people are saying, not what you're imagination is telling you erroniously is fact.

If you have no got the message yet...you are strawmaning. Its a personal pet peeve of yours. Wonderful, great, deal with it. Until you can show some kind of definition or rule that clearly states that the use of the world "Party" as a capitalization in ALL cases refers to a nationally identified political party your pet peeve is nothing but your own inability to deal with your opinion not being fact.

It became known as the "Tea Party" movement as a throwback reference to the Boston Tea Party (note, the Boston Tea Party was not a political party either). It is capitalized as it is a formal, organize...albiet loosely...group and as such gets formal recognition. However, there is few...if any...that are part of said group that actually suggest that its the "Tea Party" Party, as in a political party.

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Damn, my horse just ate my monitor.

Sweet Jeebus. Unless haymarket actually sells hay, I demand he stop using his misleading and misused screen name. Until such time, he should stop posting because he, in essence, lies about himself with every post.

disneydude said:

LOL....yeah....we are trembling over those 70K at the largest of the rallies. Man.....that is the wave of a new movement!

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I think you're exaggerating. No way did any of the rallys have that many people.:sarcasticclap

haymarket said:

When they get on the ballot as an official political party with their own candidates for office they then become the Tea Party. Until then they are using a title that they are not.

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There are some people who lived in Boston more than 130 years ago, who would strongly disagree with you. They weren't on the ballot either. :mrgreen:

ReverendHellh0und said:

We'll planet earth waves a fair hello to you then. Here on planet earth, we refer to those who think the tea party is a political party as delusional. :shrug:

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I thought they considered themselves as a movement, not a party.

I could be wrong, but I was convinced that most of their candidates ran as Republicans.

The members of the movement did not name themselves. It was hung on them as
ridicule by the Left, which they took and ran with, much to the Left's dismay. Kind
of like the Patriots taking the Yankee Doodle insult from the British & turning it into
a badge of pride.

If the Republicans do not get the Tea Party's message, there will be an official
TEA Party IMHO, but that is another topic.
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danarhea said:

There are some people who lived in Boston more than 130 years ago, who would strongly disagree with you. They weren't on the ballot either. :mrgreen:

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You are confusing the name of the EVENT in the 18th century with the name of a GROUP today. The usage is two very different things.

SheWolf said:

A lot of independents, moderates, and Libertarians I know are not involved in the tea party and don't agree with it... With people like Michelle Bachman and Palin as the defacto leaders, the movement is not very appealing to moderates. Who is a moderate in that movement? Ironically, many politicians involved (like Bachman) are also open about changing the Constitution and scrapping some amendments, so they really don't want to protect the Constitution as it is.. they want to change the Constitution to what suits them and then promise to protect it...

I wouldn't call that protecting the Constitution... the next time the political wind changes, and they don't like something the Constitution says, will they propose scrapping that too? BS

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There is a BIG difference between using the amendment process to make change & Progressive (republican or democrat appointed) judges ruling in a way the authors did not intend.

Last I heard, Palin & Bachmann were both promoting change through the amendment process. I fail to see how is promoting a constitutional process violating their oath to uphold the constitution.
The amendment process is there for good reason. It is difficult & tedious for good reason as well.
The founders realized there would be issues they could not foresee, so they provided two ways to amend the Constitution. They also realized that there would be people (or groups of people) who would want to act out of haste,
so they made the process difficult & tedious, hoping that in the end saner heads would hopefully prevail.
There is precedent for repealing amendments. Prohibition would still be with us if the 21st amendment had not repealed the 18th.

Supporting the Constitution means supporting all of it, whether we like that part or not, be it gun rights, freedom of speech, limiting federal authority or any other provisions.
The amendment process is part of the Constitution, so we have to support the process. If we do not like the particular amendment, we have plenty of opportunity to weigh in & oppose ratification.