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Palin's reckless views on obesity

Councilman said:
Because Liberals are not smart enough to feed their own kids they want someone to make it a law that the Government can order you what to eat and not to eat.
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Mississippi is the fattest state in the union. Liberals aren't the only ones who don't feed their kids properly. Just sayin.
 
Barbbtx said:
Sorry, it wasn't your one post, it's a combination of most of the posts on this thread. I'm not getting how most think that Michelle Obama's 70 pt project is nothing to worry about.
I'm worried about the country for all kinds of reasons and think this is just another nudge to get us to behave the way they want us to.
Oh well, Some of you think it's a good idea, I think it's a really bad idea. I hope you all are right.
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I don't even think the issue is whether people think it's a good idea or not. What people are saying is that it is not a directive. Not in any way. You seem to think it is, yet don't seem to have any substantitive reason for believing that.
 
tryreading said:
Same with trans fats. They can't be processed properly by the human body and are poisonous over time. And, they are man made and have no place as a food additive.
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Not true. Its naturally found in cattle, goats, deer, sheep, mice, etc. Its true it can be added, but its not only added.
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with those on this thread.
I see the whole thing as a big government wanting to grow even bigger. I see the boogie man around the corner disquised in words like recommended. I feel the "nudge" that no one else seems to feel. Either that or they don't care how big the government grows or how much power it will have over our individual lives. In fact they seem to look forward to it.
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I think what most people here are saying is that its okay with them if the government promotes healthy diet, not enforces it, like Captain Courtesy said.

What I think would be great is if private health insurance companies, even in group plans, jack up premiums for the fat people they insure (or lower rates for the thinner people).





Disclaimer: I'm not talking about clinically obese people, a tiny percentage of the overweight.
 
Councilman said:
The Liberal wackos in San Francisco just made it illegal for happy meals to contain toys because the food ion a Happy meal is less healthy in essence than say broccoli. Because Liberals are not smart enough to feed their own kids they want someone to make it a law that the Government can order you what to eat and not to eat.

It's just more control and a way to grow government and another reason to dump Obama and ignore his dumb ass mate.

Let the personal attacks and name calling begin.
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You already did. I'll post your comments and point out each of your attacking, partisan hack statments... statements that have no substance and are nothing but silly overgeneralizations:

The Liberal wackos in San Francisco just made it illegal for happy meals to contain toys because the food ion a Happy meal is less healthy in essence than say broccoli. Because Liberals are not smart enough to feed their own kids they want someone to make it a law that the Government can order you what to eat and not to eat.

It's just more control and a way to grow government and another reason to dump Obama and ignore his dumb ass mate.

Let the personal attacks and name calling begin.
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Now, my question is, is it possible for you to make a substantial post WITHOUT overgeneralizing without facts?
 
Henrin said:
Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said we aren't connected, but my point still stands, we have no responsliblity for others well being if we aren't personally involved with them or their situation. I shouldn't have to deal with bans on products that I enjoy because people go out and kill themselves with it like that alcholic energy drink banned recently. On the other hand, if a person goes out and kills someone that strips the know dead person of their life that person should be punished. One is tyranny like you believe, the other is protecting individual rights and liberty of the citizens. Understand?
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There is no suggestions to be banning any products here.

If and when this came about I would be protesting loudly as well, I do not think prohibition solves anything (as you can glean by my signature below); however I do feel awareness, and promoting a message of healthy, responsible choices does
 
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Henrin said:
Not true. Its naturally found in cattle, goats, deer, sheep, mice, etc. Its true it can be added, but its not only added.
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Its found in these meats in trace amounts, not the very large amounts found in processed foods. I am talking about the man made additives, hydrogenated vegetable oils, which are not natural and are not needed in food at all. Don't cloud the issue.
 
I'd have to say I agree with Palin. Gov't is sticking its nose in too much these days.


Yeah, obesity is a problem. Gov't isn't the answer.
 
Councilman said:
The Liberal wackos in San Francisco just made it illegal for happy meals to contain toys because the food ion a Happy meal is less healthy in essence than say broccoli. Because Liberals are not smart enough to feed their own kids they want someone to make it a law that the Government can order you what to eat and not to eat.

It's just more control and a way to grow government and another reason to dump Obama and ignore his dumb ass mate.

Let the personal attacks and name calling begin.
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You have no respect for the President, obviously. But None for his office, either.

Out of curiousity, ever call Reagan's wife his dumb ass mate? Or either of the Presidents Bush?
 
Barbbtx said:
Sorry, it wasn't your one post, it's a combination of most of the posts on this thread. I'm not getting how most think that Michelle Obama's 70 pt project is nothing to worry about.
I'm worried about the country for all kinds of reasons and think this is just another nudge to get us to behave the way they want us to.
Oh well, Some of you think it's a good idea, I think it's a really bad idea. I hope you all are right.
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I understand you're scared and feel the government is just getting bigger through this.. ok.. What I don't understand is why you think that 70 pt project is something to worry about based on what it says.. so that is why I asked you to point out what is so concerning. As I said before, I think a lot of it won't work, but I didn't read anything about granting government excessive authority over my dietary choices. Point out what it is so concerning.. that is all I am asking for..

I don't understand your fear beyond knowing you have it.. and you have to see I am not being biased here especially if you can't show me why I should fear that 70 pt project.
 
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tryreading said:
Its found in these meats in trace amounts, not the very large amounts found in processed foods. I am talking about the man made additives, hydrogenated vegetable oils, which are not natural and are not needed in food at all. Don't cloud the issue.
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You said trans fats are man made and should be banned, not mentioning at all that it actually occurs naturally. The fact is if you are going to ban it outright as you said, you would have to ban those items aswell. That is all my point was.

You have no respect for the President, obviously. But None for his office, either.
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He doesn't have any respect for us, so why should we respect him? Just because someone is president doesn't mean they earn and keep respect because of it. This argument of respecting the president feels like when I was a kid and my parents would say I must respect my elders even if the person they were telling me to respect was a douchebag that disrespected me. It doesn't make much sense.
 
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Henrin said:
You said trans fats are man made and should be banned, not mentioning at all that it actually occurs naturally. The fact is if you are going to ban it outright as you said, you would have to ban those items aswell. That is all my point was.
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I will clarify for you. Man made trans fats should definitely not be added to food. Natural trans fats are not man made, but occur in negligible amounts in animal products, and are unimportant.

Henrin said:
He doesn't have any respect for us, so why should we respect him? Just because someone is president doesn't mean they earn and keep respect because of it. This argument of respecting the president feels like when I was a kid and my parents would say I must respect my elders even if the person they were telling me to respect was a douchebag that disrespected me. It doesn't make much sense.
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He doesn't have any respect for us? The President has never shown me disrespect, so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Goshin said:
I'd have to say I agree with Palin. Gov't is sticking its nose in too much these days.


Yeah, obesity is a problem. Gov't isn't the answer.
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Even on a local level?
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
When people have demonstrated a pattern of making bad decisions, trusting them to make the right decisions for our future is irrational and dangerous. If we were making the right decisions for our children in the face of the obesity epidemic, there wouldn't be any obesity epidemic for us to worry about.

Getting this country back on track means getting people to behave correctly. If force is the only way the government can accomplish this, so be it.
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WOW! I am so sorry that YOU are incapable of taking care of YOURSELF and YOUR FAMILY and are to stupid to make important decisions as to what YOUR KID eats.

So basically, if you disagree with how someone is raising their kids, then this calls for government to make the correction???

But you know what, you are right in some respects, in that based on your picture; YOU have made some bad decisions in regards to what you eat. So why would trusting YOU to make the right decisions for "our" future not be considered irrational and dangerous?????

THE IRONY IN THIS IS RICH!!!! HAHAHAHA
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You already did. I'll post your comments and point out each of your attacking, partisan hack statments... statements that have no substance and are nothing but silly overgeneralizations:



Now, my question is, is it possible for you to make a substantial post WITHOUT overgeneralizing without facts?
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Uhhh, exactly what more facts are you needing in his argument? Is the story of what is happening in San Francisco not "fact" enough? I can point them out to you if need be.

Another example of how facts do not sync in the Liberal mind!
 
Bwp3000 said:
Uhhh, exactly what more facts are you needing in his argument? Is the story of what is happening in San Francisco not "fact" enough? I can point them out to you if need be.

Another example of how facts do not sync in the Liberal mind!
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In know it's difficult for partisan hack conservatives to pay attention but do give it a try. Firstly, I did not dispute what is happening in SF... though one incident does not make for a global situation that some conservatives... who love to distort and overgeneralize... are doing. No, my challenge would be for him to prove the statements I placed in bold. With links. If he doesn't want to, you can certainly give it a try. :lol:
 
Goshin said:
I'd have to say I agree with Palin. Gov't is sticking its nose in too much these days.
Yeah, obesity is a problem. Gov't isn't the answer.
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I find govt too intrusive as well. But that is a more general and vague sentiment than saying Michelle Obama is trying to take away our ability to decide what we feed our kids.

If Palin had simply said "Govt is too involvedin our personal lives," I would agree. But that's not the comment that's at issue.
 
E_Pluribus_Venom said:
produce the answer.
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to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


That's to reduce your own, btw.

To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

There. Answered.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
When people have demonstrated a pattern of making bad decisions, trusting them to make the right decisions for our future is irrational and dangerous. If we were making the right decisions for our children in the face of the obesity epidemic, there wouldn't be any obesity epidemic for us to worry about.

Getting this country back on track means getting people to behave correctly. If force is the only way the government can accomplish this, so be it.
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It's not surprising that you were thanked by all the neighborhood liberals for promoting the the government control public behavior. It's not surprising at all. Afterall, that's what socialists usually do.
 
Goshin said:
to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


That's to reduce your own, btw.

To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

There. Answered.
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This leftwing attitude definite explains why they support mandatory UHC.
 
Goshin said:
to reduce obesity, eat less and exercise more.


That's to reduce your own, btw.

To reduce your child's obesity, make them eat less and exercise more.

Your neighbor's obesity is your neighbor's problem.

Now, someone will say "but the healthcare costs impact us all!" Well you could say that about almost anything, use it as an excuse for almost any intrusion of Gov't on private citizens. Get gov't out of the healthcare business, get laws out of the way of healthcare competition, and it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

There. Answered.
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We aren't just simply talking about our neighbors.. We are talking about our neighbor's children and them, as a parent, failing to teach their children to value their health. It really goes beyond obesity IMO, but a issue of cultural laziness. People keep asking what happened to America.. it's simple. Look in the mirror and listen to your attitude.

I have a serious problem when valuing small gov and the freedom of others turns into respecting and tolerating bad habits. I don't have a duty as a small government libertarian to respect people not raising their children properly and teaching them laziness.

For example, I respect freedom of speech but I am not going to argue that you should personally respect the CHOICES of the Westboro Baptist Church. By the same coin, I am going to be tolerant of stupid people failing to teach their children to be mindful of their health, shoving Happy Meals down their throats, and neglecting to teach them anything about healthy eating and lifestyle habits. It shouldn't be a crime, but I don't have to be tolerant of it either... That is what respecting the liberty of other people really means.

I'll keep repeating myself.. it keeps going ignored, but I'll keep repeating it

SheWolf said:
A lot of preprocessed and fast food is widely known as being unhealthy and fattening.. even baby formula is well known to be less beneficial to a baby, but it's a million dollar industry. We live in society of consumption and convenience, so when a female doesn't learn how to breast feed quickly, she just goes to formula.... even if she is poor, she'll move to formula and get it via WIC. That sort of laziness has become acceptable today.

It's easier to be unhealthy and convenient than it is to LEARN how to be independent.. how to make your own food, grow your own vegetables, be an economic independent entity and feeding yourself while you are rich or poor

I am not saying this is deserving of government punishment, but I believe self sufficiency and independence are a major part of our founding principle values. If people learned how to grow their own food and feed themselves independently again, I think the poor would be less likely to starve without assistance and WIC would be less of an occurrence.

It really seems like common sense to me..
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They say give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Have we forgotten the second part of that saying all together?
 
SheWolf said:
We aren't just simply talking about our neighbors.. We are talking about our neighbor's children and them, as a parent, failing to teach their children to value their health. It really goes beyond obesity IMO, but a issue of cultural laziness. People keep asking what happened to America.. it's simple. Look in the mirror and listen to your attitude.

I have a serious problem when valuing small gov and the freedom of others turns into respecting and tolerating bad habits. I don't have a duty as a small government libertarian to respect people not raising their children properly and teaching them laziness.

For example, I respect freedom of speech but I am not going to argue that you should personally respect the CHOICES of the Westboro Baptist Church. By the same coin, I am going to be tolerant of stupid people failing to teach their children to be mindful of their health, shoving Happy Meals down their throats, and neglecting to teach them anything about healthy eating and lifestyle habits. It shouldn't be a crime, but I don't have to be tolerant of it either... That is what respecting the liberty of other people really means.

I'll keep repeating myself.. it keeps going ignored, but I'll keep repeating it



They say give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Have we forgotten the second part of that saying all together?
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simplistic platitude....
and wrong.
teach a man to fish and all he wants to do there after is fish. He buys an expensive boat, and a new truck to tow it, and tackle, etc. and puts it all on his credit card, or home equity loan (125% of equity), then loses his job because he takes too many "mental health" days to go fishing. He goes bankrupt next, gets to keep his house and truck, and taxpayers support him by allowing this poor soul to draw welfare....
It's probably in the constitution of the great state of Texas, since it is my siblings I am talking about, and they live in Texas.
 
You guys do understand that people gorging themselves and their children does affect you, if they are on welfare or receive food stamps or Medicare/cade? I have been pretty much demanding that people not only learn to eat better, but learn to feed themselves the way my grandparents did it before processed and pre packaged food.. WITHOUT government force or coerce... Why is this falling on def ears when said to smaller government proponents?

It really bothers me that people receiving those benefits can even have multiple children, and one of them... medicare or cade.. won't pay for them to be surgically sterilized if they want to be. Thats the case here anyway.. I know a 19 year mom on welfare with 5 five kids.. no joke, and she won't get her tubes tied because welfare won't pay for it. That should be changed.
 
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