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Warren Buffet: 'Trickle Down' Theory Doesn't Work

You just did it again, you enormous boob. :lol:

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General answer to this recent topic change...

The fact is how much you spend on students is not the answer, it never was. The answer is caring, its better explaining of topics, its less of a crowd, its the one on one experience, its understanding that kids learn differently. You need to sit with just two children, maybe your own, and you will find they go about not only life differently, but learning, and this difference is what teachers need to learn, accept and make no excuses when its ignored. Sure, the kid might not care, but most kids get to the point of not caring not because they really don't care, but because they are hopelessly lost, which is undoubtedly caused by bad teaching. Do people really want to know why private schools beat out public schools? Caring, it's that simple.

To answer haymarkets question of mediocre schools, its simple, the pace is too fast, the attention to the kids is limited if there at all, the topics aren't explained, the attention to learning differences is nonexistent and kids are ignored.

Not one thing in your posts documents or supports any sort of problem in firing "bad teachers" in "mediocre schools.As for your "analysis" and simple conclusion, your statements are based on what exactly?

For what it is worth - everything you discuss - caring, one on one, explaining things, recognizing differences, - all that has been part of a teachers curriculum for a very long time now in colleges and universities which train teachers. This are basic teacher skills and techniques that are not new, not any secret, are not revolutionary and certainly are not unheard of. There are part and parcel of everyday teaching and have been for a long time.

I would hope any discussion on this topic is fact based and not belief based. The basis for any intelligent discussion is to be able to offer evidence to show that what your saying is true and not merely conjecture, rumor or just what passes for common knowledge among certain people who believe because they want to believe what they believe.
 
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Not one thing in your posts documents or supports any sort of problem in firing "bad teachers" in "mediocre schools.As for your "analysis" and simple conclusion, your statements are based on what exactly?

Public schools are mediocre. The funding and students of certain areas might make certain schools worse than others but the teachers are most likely going to be of about the same skill and the situations that make good education impossible are going to still be present.

For what it is worth - everything you discuss - caring, one on one, explaining things, recognizing differences, - all that has been part of a teachers curriculum for a very long time now in colleges and universities which train teachers. This are basic teacher skills and techniques that are not new, not any secret, are not revolutionary and certainly are not unheard of. There are part and parcel of everyday teaching and have been for a long time.

So that is why no one practices it in public schooling. Hmm? Is this why when a kid falls behind everyone finds out they actually have A.D.D and they are put in retard class? Oh sorry, that is a secret.

I would hope any discussion on this topic is fact based and not belief based. The basis for any intelligent discussion is to be able to offer evidence to show that what your saying is true and not merely conjecture, rumor or just what passes for common knowledge among certain people who believe because they want to believe what they believe.

What have you done my good man? All I've have seen so far of worth is in the last paragraph. All the rest is you being worthless, and a dick. I hope all that experience you say you have wasn't you being as worthless as you are here.
 
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Public schools are mediocre.

Which of the thousands upon thousands of different public schools in different systems in different states are you talking about here? For your charge to have any meaning it must be narrowed down and become specific. To attack "public schools" is so vague and so wide that it is meaningless.

The funding and students of certain areas might make certain schools worse than others but the teachers are most likely going to be of about the same skill and the situations that make good education impossible are going to still be present.

What evidence do you have that teachers are going to be of the same skill level?
What "situations that make good education impossible" are you referring to?

In response to your 'analysis' of what schools needed, I said this to you

For what it is worth - everything you discuss - caring, one on one, explaining things, recognizing differences, - all that has been part of a teachers curriculum for a very long time now in colleges and universities which train teachers. This are basic teacher skills and techniques that are not new, not any secret, are not revolutionary and certainly are not unheard of. There are part and parcel of everyday teaching and have been for a long time.

your response
So that is why no one practices it in public schooling. Hmm? Is this why when a kid falls behind everyone finds out they actually have A.D.D and they are put in retard class? Oh sorry, that is a secret.

Where do you get this idea that "no one practices it in public schooling"? What do you base this allegation on?

Using such a term as "a retard class" is an insult to anyone in special education - both the teaching staff and the students. Please refrain from such insults in the future. The education of students with identified disabilties such ad ADD or ADHD or any other disabilities is hardly any secret and is part of the public record and can be easilly researched if you care to do so.

What have you done my good man? All I've have seen so far of worth is in the last paragraph. All the rest is you being worthless, and a dick. I hope all that experience you say you have wasn't you being as worthless as you are here.

You having to resort to personal insults and the calling of playground names simply because I differ with your 'analysis' says volumes about yourself.

As I have said, if you want an honest and fact based discussion about removing teachers from the job, I have vast experience with this topic and spent over two decades involved in over a dozen such cases. I can tell you how the process works, and why sometimes it produces results and why sometimes it does not produce results.

But that is based on you or anyone else actually being interested in the real world facts behind the issue and not merely ideological talking points based on belief or ones agenda.
 
What evidence do you have that teachers are going to be of the same skill level?
What "situations that make good education impossible" are you referring to?

umm..reading.

Where do you get this idea that "no one practices it in public schooling"? What do you base this allegation on?

Where is it? They teach in groups of thirties. They teach as fast as they can. They don't think of kids on how they learn but on how much they know. Its not even close to how I said it should be done.

Using such a term as "a retard class" is an insult to anyone in special education - both the teaching staff and the students.

Please refrain from such insults in the future. The education of students with identified disabilties such ad ADD or ADHD or any other disabilities is hardly any secret and is part of the public record and can be easilly researched if you care to do so.

Who do you think you are talking to right now? You think I don't have experience with this pile I brought up? Is that what you think? You think I actually NEED to look up this stuff up? Why don't you get a clue. Buy one or something, I will sell one to you free if I have too, but please get one. The class was and the disabilities like A.D.D. and A.D.H.D. was created to throw kids to the side of the road to make the school look better. NOTHING happens in the class of value. PERIOD. The kids don't get help, they don't get caught up, they don't get anything of value. They are left to rot, so they aren't a problem for the school and their funding. The secret IS the purpose of the class, it IS what actually happens in the class, it IS the creation of the disabilities. Stop talking to me like I don't have experience, that I haven't looked in to it over the years since my experience with it. I called the class retard class, because that is what YOU PEOPLE treat it as. In case you are so unbelievably dense you can't realize it, I'm using the term "retard class" to insult the CLASS. I KNOW what it is all about. Do you? I hope you honestly don't because otherwise you have pissed me off.

You having to resort to personal insults and the calling of playground names simply because I differ with your 'analysis' says volumes about yourself.

It says volumes of actual your experience and knowledge that you haven't done anything of worth in this debate but say you can. DO IT ALREADY! What the hell are you waiting for? You clearly can't.

As I have said, if you want an honest and fact based discussion about removing teachers from the job, I have vast experience with this topic and spent over two decades involved in over a dozen such cases. I can tell you how the process works, and why sometimes it produces results and why sometimes it does not produce results.

And you continue to talk with nothing backing you up. For a person with all this knowledge you say you have sure aren't showing it.
But that is based on you or anyone else actually being interested in the real world facts behind the issue and not merely ideological talking points based on belief or ones agenda.

Oh yes, you have shown me facts oh 33 years of experience guy. Where are they again?
 
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Henrin

I will be happy to inform you of anything you need to be informed about in the field of education. Just ask and I will answer.

As to your rantings about schools, I do not know what you base this on. You claim "reading". Reading what exactly?

You slur kids in special education classrooms calling them retards and then blast others for you doing so. That is less than honest and certainly cowardly since it was your own word.

With each subsequent post you make, you are becoming more agitated and more frustrated and less rational.

you state this

Stop talking to me like I don't have experience, that I haven't looked in to it over the years since my experience with it.

I will be glad to stop talking to you like you don't have any experience once you either clarify for me what your actual experience is and then write presenting the true picture of education reflecting that experience. I am mor than happy to listen to you present both.
 
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What is it you want to know? I will be happy to inform you.

At this point I highly doubt you know much of anything, so anything will do.
 
At this point I highly doubt you know much of anything, so anything will do.

As I have already pointed out to you, I spent 33 years in public education. My degrees are in the field. Your rantings about public education have nothing at all to do with the reality that I saw in 33 years.

So I ask you again, where are you getting your 'information' (for lack of a better word) about public education?

If somebody ranted and raved about the plumbing industry and plumbers but presented no real information about either but only presented falsehoods that actual industry professionals know to be false, that would count for something with most intelligent people. Apparently, your belief system is more important than actual reality.
 
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As to your rantings about schools, I do not know what you base this on. You claim "reading". Reading what exactly?

Reading what I wrote. Do like a good teacher does and review my paper, but instead of looking for the red pen look for the highlighter. The big yellow one should do.

You slur kids in special education classrooms calling them retards and then blast others for you doing so. That is less than honest and certainly cowardly since it was your own word.

Look for my reasoning for why I used the term. Instead of acting like I said nothing. Again, the highlighter. THE HIGHLIGHTER!

With each subsequent post you make, you are becoming more agitated and more frustrated and less rational.

That is because with each post you won't say anything of value, but continue to say I'm wrong. Back yourself up, hmm? Mister teacher, my teacher. 33 years of experience of nothing apparently. Nice.

I will be glad to stop talking to you like you don't have any experience once you either clarify for me what your actual experience is and then write presenting the true picture of education reflecting that experience. I am mor than happy to listen to you present both.

Self proclaimed experts go first. At this point you are trolling the hell of me mister expert.
 
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As I have already pointed out to you, I spent 33 years in public education. My degrees are in the field. Your rantings about public education have nothing at all to do with the reality that I saw in 33 years.

So I ask you again, where are you getting your 'information' (for lack of a better word) about public education?

Where do you think? Experience. DUH! I even said as much if you were paying attention.

If somebody ranted and raved about the plumbing industry and plumbers but presented no real information about either but only presented falsehoods that actual industry professionals know to be false, that would count for something with most intelligent people. Apparently, your belief system is more important than actual reality.

Apparently, you think you can call yourself an expert and that is it. How old are you? You should know that is ridulous.
 
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Reading what I wrote. Do like a good teacher does and review my paper, but instead of looking for the red pen look for the highlighter. The big yellow one should do.

Is this suppose to mean something?

I asked this about the rantings and observations of Henrin

So I ask you again, where are you getting your 'information' (for lack of a better word) about public education?

and he replied
Where do you think? Experience. DUH! I even said as much if you were paying attention.

Allow me to use my teaching skills with you...... all right Henrin, now use you words please, use more words, expand on that one word "experience" which by itself means little without specifics attached to it. Tell us all Henrin, exactly what kind of experience are you referring to? Experience as a student in a school? Experience as a teacher in a school? Experience because you read an article or a book or two on the subject? Tell us all please Henrin, where did this "experience" you claim come from exactly?

I hope that helps you clarify your thoughts.
 
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Henrin

I will be happy to inform you of anything you need to be informed about in the field of education. Just ask and I will answer.

As to your rantings about schools, I do not know what you base this on. You claim "reading". Reading what exactly?

You slur kids in special education classrooms calling them retards and then blast others for you doing so. That is less than honest and certainly cowardly since it was your own word.

With each subsequent post you make, you are becoming more agitated and more frustrated and less rational.

you state this



I will be glad to stop talking to you like you don't have any experience once you either clarify for me what your actual experience is and then write presenting the true picture of education reflecting that experience. I am mor than happy to listen to you present both.

I still want an answer to my question, as to what the alternative is, if trickle down doesn't work.
 
apdst

I do not remember talking about trickle down, trickle up or even trickle sideways.
 
apdst

I do not remember talking about trickle down, trickle up or even trickle sideways.

Either way, you claim that trickle down doesn't work. Yes?

If so, please explain a viable alternative.
 
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Is this suppose to mean something?

I asked this about the rantings and observations of Henrin

So I ask you again, where are you getting your 'information' (for lack of a better word) about public education?

and he replied


Allow me to use my teaching skills with you...... all right Henrin, now use you words please, use more words, expand on that one word "experience" which by itself means little without specifics attached to it. Tell us all Henrin, exactly what kind of experience are you referring to? Experience as a student in a school? Experience as a teacher in a school? Experience because you read an article or a book or two on the subject? Tell us all please Henrin, where did this "experience" you claim come from exactly?

I hope that helps you clarify your thoughts.

Will you please, PLEASE get it through your tiny little head that I'm am NOT only saying I have 33 years of experience. It is NOT I that needs to prove his claims of experience are true, YOU ARE. You didn't even manage to show you are a good history teacher in the other thread. If that truly is what you do. All you are doing, and yes this is all you are doing, is saying I'm wrong. You are the one that says he has all the answers, so why is it than that you don't appear to have any ANSWERS?
 
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Will you please, PLEASE get it through your tiny little head that I'm am NOT only saying I have 33 years of experience. It is NOT I that needs to prove his claims of experience are true, YOU ARE. You didn't even manage to show you are a good history teacher in the other thread. If that truly is what you do. All you are doing, and yes this is all you are doing, is saying I'm wrong. You are the one that says he has all the answers, so why is it than that you don't appear to have any ANSWERS?

Boy do you have it wrong. What I am saying is that when you pontificate about the state of public education, you either claim they should be doing things that they already have been doing for some time now as a matter of routine and you are blissfully unaware of it or you clearly do not know what you are talking about.

When you claim that you have credibility on this issue I can see none of any kind.
 
Either way, you claim that trickle down doesn't work. Yes?

If so, please explain a viable alternative.

Does trickle down work? Honestly, I would have to know what 'work' means in that context.
 
It sounds nice in theory, but it'll never happen. Not only for the reason that you haven't addressed where the money is going to come from, but also because there are still going to be people who are too stupid and too lazy to go get the free ****.

It will come from the gov and tax payers. We already are wasteful with our money but how about bucking up and being money wise to do things that Really help?

And you are so right about people not knowing about the programs or too lazy. Keything is making sure everybody knows and if too lazy? Give them some motivation.
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/lighter-side/110853-political-cartoon-thread-iii-137.html#post1060229050



The wealthy spend a fraction of their disposable income compared the hundreds of millions of the non-wealthy. This became painfully clear over the last decade of tax cuts for the wealthy that didn't create jobs, or stimulate the economy sufficiently.
Perhaps.


However, I looked at the cartoon's proposed cycle and its conclusion...and it appeared to me that, whatever the reality is, within the cartoon's parameters, lower taxes anywhere would equal more money to spend.

It did not seem to account for whether that available money would actually be spent.

And yes, I realize it was a cartoon.

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However, to your response.

As I understand it, most if not all “wealthy” persons invest the majority of their money in one thing or another – few of them simply store it under their house in a vault, so far as I understand.

By that measure, they are spending it in a way that theoretically should promote, if not jobs directly, an environment in which whomever they invested in would have more money to hire people – or “create jobs”.
Of course, I’m not sure things actually work that way…
 
The Trickle Up Theory works quite well. Just ask any republican.
You fail to note that those who gain wealth do so mainly by providing value to those who trade with them
 
Perhaps.


However, I looked at the cartoon's proposed cycle and its conclusion...and it appeared to me that, whatever the reality is, within the cartoon's parameters, lower taxes anywhere would equal more money to spend.

It did not seem to account for whether that available money would actually be spent.


Only if you ignore that a consumer economy requires consumers to prosper.

And yes, I realize it was a cartoon.

Then you must be unaware that moderators have repeatedly warned not to bring political debate to the cartoon thread.


As I understand it, most if not all “wealthy” persons invest the majority of their money in one thing or another – few of them simply store it under their house in a vault, so far as I understand.

The tax cuts for the rich were sold to the middle class that they would produce jobs in this country. Overseas investments do not provide jobs in this country.

By that measure, they are spending it in a way that theoretically should promote, if not jobs directly, an environment in which whomever they invested in would have more money to hire people – or “create jobs”.

India and China's middle class is doing better while our own declines. Hell of a deal!!!
 
The tax cuts for the rich were sold to the middle class that they would produce jobs in this country. Overseas investments do not provide jobs in this country.

If it means cheaper products here in the U.S. and more money to spend on other things, that certainly would help create jobs.
 
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