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70% of military believe lifting gay ban would have positive influence

Your Star said:
What one determines sinful is totally subjective, and has no bearing on laws. Also allowing people to live their lives, and to give them equal rights under the law in no way harms your family. Stop pretending that it does.
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No no no. It's a fact you gays are contagious virulent perverts doomed to burn in hell and take as many good people with you as you can. It's a fact I tell you! I know because youtube and Paul Cameron websites told me so. If you don't refute all elventy seven links in detail, you are running away from the facts I presented.

You guys are scary, and icky too.
 
Wake said:
Liberalism is an amoral mindset complete with secular and perverse ideals. To those who differ on this: explain why it is that it is liberals who consistently hate on Christianity, defend socialism and communism, believe good and evil to be subjective, seek to destroy the nuclear family, and time and again seek to pervade society so much so that even now in this very forum incest has been defended by them.

Time and again liberals defend the brutes and vagabonds throughout time; Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Che, etc. Not all liberals do so, but it is always liberals who do so. Godless, amoral, secular, perverse, lazy, dependent on the government, haters of normallity, defenders of the perverse. If you think to refute this post, do try.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is a work of ART!Who could even BEGIN to respond to this?!
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
Well, they think it works on me.

Sick, nauseous, xenophobic... I've heard it all.
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Nobody thinks it works on you. As I stated earlier in this thread....trying to deal with people of your mindset is impossible. You cannot change a mind that is so closed and narrow that it won't even consider for a moment accepting views of someone other than themself.
 
Your Star said:
What one determines sinful is totally subjective, and has no bearing on laws. Also allowing people to live their lives, and to give them equal rights under the law in no way harms your family. Stop pretending that it does.
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Which equal rights are those?
 
DADT = greatest (max flame value) poll-war yet.
 
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Nobody thinks it works on you.
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Ah, so it's the default position then, happening almost by accident. Bunch of six-year-olds, the lot of you!



As I stated earlier in this thread....trying to deal with people of your mindset is impossible.
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So let me see now, raging into people for having views you don't agree with, however strong, will persuade me will it? You do realise that simply saying 'I don't agree with that but horses for courses' would have ended this spitting little outpouring from the Left ages ago? I would have just said my piece and been off.
 
No no no. It's a fact you gays are contagious virulent perverts doomed to burn in hell and take as many good people with you as you can. It's a fact I tell you! I know because youtube and Paul Cameron websites told me so. If you don't refute all elventy seven links in detail, you are running away from the facts I presented.

You guys are scary, and icky too.
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Ah, the ridicule. Rather enjoyed it though.
 
Wake said:
Prove me wrong then since you think me so incorrect.
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Everything you wrote is wrong.

There. (I did, after all, provide exactly as much evidence as you did)
 
That says it all.

When you provide evidence it's beneath contempt and not worth refuting. If you provide your opinion then that's not good enough either, because there's no supplementary backup link!

You've just got to take the Liberals' say-so and that's about it. Either that or be deluged in the froth, which isn't so bad with your umbrella up.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
That says it all.

When you provide evidence it's beneath contempt and not worth refuting. If you provide your opinion then that's not good enough either, because there's no supplementary backup link!

You've just got to take the Liberals' say-so and that's about it. Either that or be deluged in the froth, which isn't so bad with your umbrella up.
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You get a little carried away.

Let's stick to some specific points.

I'm going to ask you a series of questions, and you're going to answer each directly, or forget about this because you're wasting peoples time. You lose automatically if you post some right wing dumbass youtube video.

Question 1: What's your beef with gays?

Question 2: Why should they have to hide who they are, when there is nothing wrong with them, we garuntee their freedom, if freedom is garunteed and protected by our armed forces, why should they not be able to contribute to said armed forces?

Question 3: You've never answered this in the past... What constitutes "acceptable Behaviour" you speak of when reffering to gays, how should they act according to you?
 
disneydude said:
Sources: Pentagon group finds there is minimal risk to lifting gay ban during war

More than 70 percent of respondents to a survey sent to active-duty and reserve troops over the summer said the effect of repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy would be positive, mixed or nonexistent, said two sources familiar with the document. The survey results led the report's authors to conclude that objections to openly gay colleagues would drop once troops were able to live and serve alongside them.
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I kind of what this 70% of military is.Is it troops who are in a combat MOS or is it Pogs(pronounced pōg, acronym for persons other than grunts, noncombat troops, civilians in soldiers clothing, if you are a infantry solder then it is everybody who is not a infantry solder)? Most of the pogs I observed pretty much acted like civilians, these are the soldiers who would not be hurt by a lack of unit cohesion nor would their lives be on the line as much those in combat MOSs. They lacked the same discipline as combat soldiers.
 
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You lose automatically if you post some right wing dumbass youtube video.
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Oh right, so I've got to be railroaded. Right, let's forget it. I said my original bits ages ago and got sucked down the liberal u-pipe.
 
On what? All I've received are nasty little names which would have made me cry if I was still 7.

That's been the waste, especially as any evidence I do post is smeared because of where it's from or who wrote it.

If we appear to both be wasting each others' time, with previous answers of mine to these things 'unacceptable', then we may as well stop snapping at each other.
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
On what? All I've received are nasty little names which would have made me cry if I was still 7.

That's been the waste, especially as any evidence I do post is smeared because of where it's from or who wrote it.

If we appear to both be wasting each others' time, with previous answers of mine to these things 'unacceptable', then we may as well stop snapping at each other.
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Your evidence only includes clearly right wing biased youtube videos and cherry picked articles.
 
And as if the other side are as pure as the driven in that department?

Oooh, right wing... the final taboo!
 
Deuce said:
You still haven't explained to me why you think some people deserve fewer rights.
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I don't think it's a question of fewer rights. I think it's a question if openly gay people in the military is good for the military. We need more research, maybe all gay units, mixed men and women units to see if sexual attraction would impact discipline and morale. Our current DADT policy gives gays an advantage because they can serve with who they are sexually attracted to. If I could do the same being a male and serve with women, shower with them, smell them, sleep next to them, there would be no complaints from me because I love women. It probably woudn't be a good idea though and that is why our military doesn't have men and women showering/sleeping next to each other because it would probably lead to a breakdown in discipline and morale.

I think the next step is to look at all gay units. This would ensure that gays have the same rights to serve as straight people...
 
Republic_Of_Public said:
Ah, so it's the default position then, happening almost by accident. Bunch of six-year-olds, the lot of you!





So let me see now, raging into people for having views you don't agree with, however strong, will persuade me will it? You do realise that simply saying 'I don't agree with that but horses for courses' would have ended this spitting little outpouring from the Left ages ago? I would have just said my piece and been off.
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AGain....no one here expects to change your mind. In fact, I would fight for your right to have whatever view you have, even when 180 degrees different from mine. However, don't think for a second that anything you say or write that espouses a view to force others to live my your short-sighted and closed minded ways will go unopposed. That will never happen...
 
I would fight for your right to have whatever view you have, even when 180 degrees different from mine.
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Bit of an empty statement when you go on to say you'd fight against the right for anyone with my views to base legislation on it. Presumably, regardless of how big a democratic mandate.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Bit of an empty statement when you go on to say you'd fight against the right for anyone with my views to base legislation on it. Presumably, regardless of how big a democratic mandate.
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If over 50% of the country was like you, You can have all the legislation powers you want, I'm leaving the ****ing country. :)
 
You can have all the legislation powers you want, I'm leaving the ****ing country.
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It's a deal!

I knew we could come to a reasonable conclusion in the end!


Though I do find liberal-left perceptions of 'tolerance' quite bizarre, even on this board.

You can even be a Communist (or sympathiser) and still be taken seriously; yet admit a distaste for homosexual behaviour and you've lost your rights, if only in principle!

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...nst-oppression-anybody-else-see-oxymoron.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...bas-communism-doesnt-work.html#post1058973462



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Got to have those mindless appeals to emotion and contextless pictures. That is how to make a point, for sure.
 
Be that the case I learn from the liberal masters Redress, learning from the Liberal masters.

And unlike them I have the links too!



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Blah blah blah, you're a <insert playground name>, yadda yadda how dare you, waffle waffle invalidation, haw haw haw no rights.


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Pfft! That's so inconsequential, retarded and right wing that I'm unable to refute it, whilst at the same time smearing who wrote it or where it came from.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Be that the case I learn from the liberal masters Redress, learning from the Liberal masters.

And unlike them I have the links too!
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You linked to 2 threads in this forum, a picture of a single Obama worker, and a pile of bones. Nothing that actually proved anything. What you did was attempt to create a false impression and an appeal to emotion. When you get around to posting links to actual facts that have something to do with the topic, then you will have done something.
 
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