- Joined
- Oct 5, 2009
- Messages
- 10,621
- Reaction score
- 2,104
- Location
- In your dreams...
- Gender
- Undisclosed
- Political Leaning
- Independent
Oscar is smarter than the CDC. Better listen to him.
Oscar is smarter than the CDC. Better listen to him.
Moderator's Warning: |
Please do not do this |
Do you understand what "per capita" means? Why should the relative population of the states matter at all?
So what? This country does not have Bantustans. Minorities are just as deserving of comprehensive sex education as whites are.
So, if you read it, how did you miss this:
The racial argument is discussed and proven to not fully account for the differences in teen birth rates.
I really don't understand your point about minorities. Are you saying that blacks have some natural predisposition toward teen pregnancies and unsafe sex? If not, how is it relevant?
The point is that people in the south don't have as much access to comprehensive sex education as people in New England. The fact that they are minorities is completely irrelevant. If anything, it just highlights the education disparity between whites and minorities, but that's a subject for a different thread.
Thanks god someone payed attention in 5th grade.
Sex ed was the most controllable factor. Race was a factor, but does not account for the entire disparity. Why race was a factor I am not going to speculate on.
for the purposes of debating this study, it does not matter WHY, only that they do. you cannot argue that fact.So what? Just pointing out that there are more minorities is not a sufficient explanation. WHY do minorities have higher rates of teen pregnancy?
they have the same access as white kids.In part because they have less access to comprehensive sex education.
It is the primary factor. Unless your argument is that being a minority makes a person naturally more likely to have unprotected sex (which is racist as hell), all it's doing is pointing out a demographic difference and completely ignoring the CAUSE of that demographic difference.
um, yeah. I taught science and math in one for 9 years. NEXTAre you ****ing kidding me? Have you ever set foot inside an inner-city school?
because as the study said...black and hispanic teens get pregnant at a higher rate than whites. no need to speculate, the study spells it out. If you are going to believe one part of the study you have to believe it all. no cherry picking allowed.
big whoop sex ed was the most controllable factor. that doesn't mean it is the most important...only that it is the most controlable.
"sorry, we can't control the differing rates of teen pregnancy among the different demographic groups....so we are just going to ignore that factor." laughable at best
notice: no one here is claiming that race is the only factor or accounts for the entire disparity. that would be illogical and ignore all facts
however, this study is claiming that better sex ed is the causative factor and discounting everything else.
because as the study said...black and hispanic teens get pregnant at a higher rate than whites. no need to speculate, the study spells it out. If you are going to believe one part of the study you have to believe it all. no cherry picking allowed.
big whoop sex ed was the most controllable factor. that doesn't mean it is the most important...only that it is the most controlable.
"sorry, we can't control the differing rates of teen pregnancy among the different demographic groups....so we are just going to ignore that factor." laughable at best
notice: no one here is claiming that race is the only factor or accounts for the entire disparity. that would be illogical and ignore all facts
however, this study is claiming that better sex ed is the causative factor and discounting everything else.
you seem to be saying that race is the major factor.....if so, how do you account for the lower rates in diverse areas of the country, like california? and the high rate in oklahoma?
The study is not claiming that, in fact it points out that sex ed is not the only factor. What it does point out, correctly, is that the evidence is there that full sex ed as opposed to abstinence based sex ed is more effective in reducing teen pregnancy.
you would be wrong. I am saying that the authors of this story are completely ignoring the race factor so that they can proclaim better SEX ED makes all the difference.
I really don't know what the "major factor" is, there are far too many variables to determine..but I do know that race is a factor and you can't ignore it.
the statement that some areas have lower teen pregnancy rates due to more inclusive sex ed is overly simplistic, misleading and disingenuous.
i don't think anyone is ignoring the race factor, but i don't think it plays as a large apart as sex ed, and the culture that believes sex ed shouldn't be taught in schools.
Culture/race is in most cases the factor (even according to the study) among minority's. For them it is not so much a race question, but a question of culture in minority communities.
No real role models and the welfare mentality of entitlement among the adult population does not help the situation. So many factors contribute and play a much larger role than just education it is not even funny.
Culture/race is in most cases the factor (even according to the study) among minority's. For them it is not so much a race question, but a question of culture in minority communities.
No real role models and the welfare mentality of entitlement among the adult population does not help the situation. So many factors contribute and play a much larger role than just education it is not even funny.
that's my biggest complaint with this article. they try to make it sound like if all these backwards ass places down south would just teach comprehensive sex ed, it would make everything all better. just ain't gonna happen. teaching sex ed is like putting a band-aid on arterial bleeding. it doesn't address the real issue.
unfortunately you can't address the real issues without someone screaming "racist".
Is any one screaming "racist" yet? However, the real issue is not race(blacks and hispanics are not more likely for teen pregnancy simply because of their race), but sex ed and other factors(culture).
Is any one screaming "racist" yet? However, the real issue is not race(blacks and hispanics are not more likely for teen pregnancy simply because of their race), but sex ed.
i don't recall anyone screaming racist....but i might be hard of hearing.
BS, if that was true then white kids would have similar teen pregnancy rates because in any given region the white kids get the same sex ed as the black kids. they don't have separate black and white sex ed classes. That indicates that either the sex ed is not that big a factor or culture is a bigger factor.
ie, two girls sit in the same sex ed class, one gets pregnant and the other doesn't. how can you say that the sex ed did or did not play a factor in the one girl not getting pregnant?
a more telling survey would be to break the study down by race/culture. what is the teen pregnancy rate among whites in Vermont compared to the teen pregnancy rate for whites in Texas? break the study down according to race and you can take the race factor out of the equation and produce a more focused reliable study. or break it down by socio economic grouping. anything to reduce/eliminate variables.
that is my problem with this study. it is overly simplistic and therefore misleading.
um...psst.......you didn't read the study, did you? then how can you have a problem with it? whites in kentucky are MUCH more likely to get pregnat than whites in the northeast.
then how do you explain oklahoma and california? and when i said culture, i meant all culture, not just minority culture. because yes, southern states can be backward. i live in one. btw, how are you?
BS, if that was true then white kids would have similar teen pregnancy rates because in any given region the white kids get the same sex ed as the black kids. they don't have separate black and white sex ed classes. That indicates that either the sex ed is not that big a factor or culture is a bigger factor.
ie, two girls sit in the same sex ed class, one gets pregnant and the other doesn't. how can you say that the sex ed did or did not play a factor in the one girl not getting pregnant?
a more telling survey would be to break the study down by race/culture. what is the teen pregnancy rate among whites in Vermont compared to the teen pregnancy rate for whites in Texas? break the study down according to race and you can take the race factor out of the equation and produce a more focused reliable study. or break it down by socio economic grouping. anything to reduce/eliminate variables.
but they won't do that because they are afraid the results will show that regardless of the sex ed classes they get minorities and low socio-economic groups will have a higher rate of teen pregnancy..and god forbid we can't admit that. better to stick our heads in the sand and blame "abstinence based sex ed".
obviously you missed the "socio economic" bit. what is the biggest difference between whites in Kentucky and whites in the northeast? hint, it ain't the kind of sex ed classes they are getting.
sex ed is a red herring designed to distract from the real reason behind the disparity in teen pregnancy rates. culture and socio-economic standing.
Moderator's Warning: Please do not do this
Apparently I am not being clear in my presentation. What I am saying is that race, in and of itself, is not the factor. Now, the fact that blacks tend to live in predominantly black communities with a difference in culture could very well be a factor, but that is not the race itself being a factor.
nope.....but nice try. you clearly DID NOT actually read the study, oscar. else your inital focus wouldn't have been on race, as it was, and you wouldn't have been bitching about how people think the south is backward. You suggested a racial survey would have meant more, but that's already in the survey, which you didn't read.