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Sarah Palin no longer the darling of her own Tea Party.

" ...Over the past year Sarah Palin has established herself as the queen of the Tea Party movement. Her endorsements have helped Tea Party candidates oust established Republicans in races across the country.

But even among the hardcore of tea partygoers it cannot be assumed she reigns supreme. A canvass of delegates to the Tea Party Patriots convention in Richmond over the weekend put her in shock second position for their choice for president in 2012..."

Looks like the Queen has been deposed. Could the party be seeking a bus under which to throw her? Are they recognising the liability she represents? Does anyone care?

Sarah Palin no longer the darling of her own tea party | World news | guardian.co.uk

I like Sarah Palin, but I would choose Chris Christie over her too. Since she came in second, I don't know what the big deal is. She has actually improved over past polls.
 
And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?

Job creation. We need to get people back to work and off government assistance.
Besides, I'm not saying cut taxes. I'm saying don't raise them and let people know what they are going to be for yrs down the road. All the uncertainty has small business kind of frozen in place.
The HC bill is also a hinderance to job growth. We still don't know what the ramifications from it will be.
 
As a card carrying member of MoveOn, I understand grass roots movements, including the Tea Party.
 
It's been answered several times. I'll try a different tact.
They're plan is to do the opposite of what Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the liberals have been doing the last 2 yrs.
#1 they have promised to listen to the people.

that would be tack, my dear. again, no plan.
 
So you apologize and then you speculate about just what you apologized for?


Please, fool me once. :roll:

nope, i apologized for saying "most"....i don't apologize for saying i think the tea party attracts racists.
 
And cutting taxes is going to do what for future generations?

Okay where do we start slicing and dicing?

Well, considering that in general Tea Party members agree with economic theorists of the notion that cutting taxes increases job creation and economic involvement, I'd imagine it'll help be PART of what spurs a better future for the next generation.

However, the Tea Party is as adamant about cutting spending as it is in regards to cutting taxes. Again, one of the differences between a political PARTY and a political MOVEMENT is that one generally is much more concerned with specific policy and legislation as its made up of POLITICIANS and beuracrats whose life and job is involved with the nitty gritty of such things. A political movement tends to be far more made up of individuals, especially in places of power, than politicials and the such and is generally move focused in an idea than nitty gritty.

As a comparison, you didn't see many anti-war movement folks giving you in depth battle plans and diagrams in regards to exit strategies and the methods in which to do it. You don't see many environmentalists giving lengthy dialogs on the in depth corporate tax codes and the ramifications on the environment and business in regards to the variety of fines and taxes placed upon businesses in the name of the environment. So on and so forth, its a disengenious feint and strawman to expect detailed exact answers on some kind of nationally focused level and not on an individual level when speaking about a movement that is loosely organized at a federal level and is more focused on the individual than the group as some kind of gibbering mass entity.

On a personal level I'd say you start by cutting spending across the board. You then start looking at programs that are either one, wasteful, or two, luxuries, and you start cutting there first.

Or, once again, you could actually READ WHAT PEOPLE ARE POSTING HERE and stop playing dumb. Again, as a general idea, the Tea Party has a stated view i nregards to what to cut and what to do along with cutting taxes:

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington
Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

So you want to know what would be cut. Things identified as outside constitutional authority, duplicate in application, wasteful, ineffective, or things that are better served by the state or local authorities. Most political parties don't have extremely more in depth generalized platforms than that and asking for a handful of specifics as if this is some kind of legislative process shows your dishonesty in this and highlights again, you paying attention Liblady, the issue with people ignorantly mischaracterizing the Tea Party as if it is a political party rather than a political movement.

Further things, ALREADY Posted and Linked to in this thread, concerning the Tea Party and spending:

3. Demand a Balanced Budget
Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending
Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

So on top of not adding new taxes or cutting taxes they want it mandated that the budget is balanced rather than taking loans and want to limit the amount of growth the government can do to limit the amount of spending going on and forcing the politicians to better choose what is most important to use the money towards.

Those are just a couple things, already posted and linked, that deal with what the Tea Party wants above and beyond simply "Cutting taxes". Indeed, there are more planks to their pseudo-platform concerning spending then there is about taxes.
 
nope, i apologized for saying "most"....i don't apologize for saying i think the tea party attracts racists.

Wonderful. So does the Democratic Party. What's the use in bringing it up unless you think its a significant portion?
 
That's retarded. Moveon was a soros front group. Who fronted the tea party?

Tea Party movement: Billionaire Koch brothers who helped it grow
Industrialists who own private company with annual revenues of £62bn have channelled millions of dollars to rightwing causes

It likes to present itself as a grassroots insurgency made up of hundreds of local groups intent on toppling the Washington elite.

But the Tea Party movement, which is threatening to cause an upset in next month's midterm elections, would not be where it is today without the backing of that most traditional of US political supporters – Big Oil.

The billionaire brothers who own Koch Industries, a private company with 70,000 employees and annual revenues of $100bn (£62bn), used to joke that they controlled the biggest company nobody had ever heard of.

Not any more. After decades during which their fortune grew exponentially and they channelled millions of dollars to rightwing causes, Charles and David Koch are finally getting noticed for their part in the extraordinary growth of the Tea Party movement.

The two, 74-year-old Charles and David, 70, have invested widely in the outcome of the 2 November elections.

But organisations tracking money in politics say the Kochs' biggest impact in the midterm elections will be from funding and providing logistical support to such groups as Americans for Prosperity (AFP), one of the biggest Tea Party groups.

AFP, in turn, has spun off other organisations such as November is Coming, Hands Off My Healthcare, and the Institute of Liberty, which are buying up television ads and holding rallies across the country in an attempt to defeat Democrats.

More here...
 
Perhaps you might read the entire article...




It's funny, whenever I link a guardian article, some left winger tells me its a tabloid. :shrug:



You do know "americans for prosperity" is not the tea party, right?
 
I love that people keep pointing out Angle and O'Donnell as if they're all the candidates or the average Tea Party candidate. While I've not read a ton of them I know from that from a general bit of research into the following stances that I for the most part like all of the following candidates, all supported by the Tea Party:

Joe Miller
Jesse Kelly
Ken Buck
Raul Labrador
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Pat Toomey
Marco Rubio
Anna Little
Kristi Noem

Do I like EVERYTHING about them? No, there's not a candidate in the world that I like every thing about them. But in general when it comes to the issues I think they're all pretty damn good on them and only really "extreme" if you consider anyone that's not either left or wishy washy "extreme". Yet they don't get a ton of attention because they don't help the media and the left portray the Tea Party as "mostly" a bunch of extremist, racists, bigoted, bafoons
 
First, the Tea Party is a movement not an actual "political party" in regards to the federal level. While there have been individuals at a state level that have ran essentailly as independents backed by the Tea Party movement or local actual "political parties" established, to my understanding there is no official NATIONAL "Tea Party" party.
So there's no organization and no real leadership...

Second, if you want a "platform" of theirs its not that hard to find what would most likely be considered it. The Tea Party functions as an organization of individual groups, each with its own more localized and unique focus or cares, but generally each holding to an overall principle. The only bit of information that I've seen held in esteem as a "message" of the movement by the vast majority of these various individual groups would be the Contract From America. If you want a "platform" for the Tea Party movement this is the closest you'll likely get.
So...you cant really tell whose a teabagger and who isnt?

1. Protect the Constitution
That's...extremely vague

2. Reject Cap & Trade
Slightly more specific, getting better.

3. Demand a Balanced budget
Ok, how do you want to achieve that?

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
Again with the vague.

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington
Yet AGAIN with the vague.

6. End Runaway Government Spending
I'm sensing a trend here.

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health care
Replace it with what?

8. Pass an "All of the Above" Energy Policy
This doesnt even make sense.

9. Stop the Pork
Vague again.

10. Stop the Tax Hikes
Which ones?

Each of the above is simply the bullet point header, as each have some more specific information. For example, #1 is Protect the Constitution, but proposes to do such by requiring "each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.
No, it's a frickin' grocery list. This isnt a platform, it's a list of vague ideas that are neither formed nor apparently very well thought out.

Here, this is a political platform
Socialist Party USA

Agree with it or not, it goes into detail, spells out specific steps and goals to take to achieve an end goal. You have a rough draft, I write grocery lists more complicated than that. I love the enthusiasm, but lets see some specific plans

Note that unlike an actual POLITICAL PARTY platform, these are much more theoritical based as they were submitted and voted on by individual citizens and are more focused on common language and simple concepts than in depth policy statements.
Theory is nice but it isnt a plan.
 
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