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Obama Administration Gave General Electric—Parent Company of NBC--$24.9 Million in ‘S

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What sources are acceptable, by name please.


j-mac

All mainstream news: Fox news (not the political entertainers) for example. Washington Times, WSJ (even their opinion section doesn't go too wild, though it is an opinion), NYT, CNN, PBS, sources with a clear history of being accurate.
 
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It did save jobs. Only hyper partisans disagree with that fact.

Just because it didn't save those jobs doesn't make you right and doesn't make this story any less idiotic.

Ok, so which jobs did it save? And how do you prove this?


j-mac
 
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I guess the quoted RECOVERY.ORG spokeswoman in your piece did not sound very credible. Oh well.

You do realized I asked a question, right? Which is addressing that quote.
 
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Ok, so which jobs did it save? And how do you prove this?


j-mac

We do know it saved teaching jobs for awhile. That has been supported before.
 
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Since when is CNSnews.com a primary source of news and not partisan? :roll:

Does this come for some divine source or ie it just a voice in your head only you can hear?

Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
Actually, republicans have. Go back in the past and look at GM getting money for a jobs program in which they laid off workers. But, let me ask, did Obama do this? Was he the one signing off? How were people picked to get stimulus money. I think a lot more has to be shown before this has legs. Perhaps that is why there is a lack of sound sources on this. You think?

Can you spell Obfuscation?

Wait just a damn minute, will all honest and objective people hold off on passing judgment until after we consider a few possibilities.

GE only showed net profits only in the billions of dollars, and this was a tiny bit less than hopped so the $24.9 million in grants was to make them better about themselves.

OR: We know that Obama is the new king or, (Insert German word for leader here) of PROPAGANDA since the untimely death of the former "leader in this field' in 1945, so we have to consider that this $24.9 million in grants were paid to insure continued unbiased treatment from Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz.

It could happen.

This was a payoff for past and future propaganda to a source a lot of Liberals love to use until they are claiming as was done here it's not a real news media source.

We know they that all of NBC and the spin offs are hurting in the ratings because they are major sources of Obamania worship and I figure this is a way to say tough it out.

The fact that GE made billions means nothing to Obama because like all the millions he's wasted on partying, going to shows in NYC, flying his wife around with he own massive entourage around the world, it's not his money.

It's tax money and to Obama it's the free welfare lotto cash, so screw the cost and his arrogance means he doesn't care about any fall out.
 
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No, the implication is that Obama gave this for favors. How? Did he sign off on GE personally? Was there a procedure? Who made the call? is it possible GE benfitted without being treated special? Agian, it is not unreasonable to ask. Can anyone answer?
 
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No, the implication is that Obama gave this for favors. How? Did he sign off on GE personally? Was there a procedure? Who made the call? is it possible GE benfitted without being treated special? Agian, it is not unreasonable to ask. Can anyone answer?

Please explain to us why anyone should have to prove those implications, when the current administration said it does not have to prove the implications it made regarding the Chamber of Commerce and it's finances. Same thing.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
 
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Please explain to us why anyone should have to prove those implications, when the current administration said it does not have to prove the implications it made regarding the Chamber of Commerce and it's finances. Same thing.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

No, not really the same thing. The administration is speaking of a legal point. I'm speaking to a logic point. If you can't answer, just say so.
 
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No, not really the same thing. The administration is speaking of a legal point. I'm speaking to a logic point. If you can't answer, just say so.
Doesn't matter... legal vs. logic... it is indeed the same thing... making accusations and failing utterly to back them up.

I guess I should not be surprised you can't grasp the similarities.
 
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Doesn't matter... legal vs. logic... it is indeed the same thing... making accusations and failing utterly to back them up.

I guess I should not be surprised you can't grasp the similarities.

Does matter. And I'm not making any accusations, you are. I'm asking questions. Can you answer?
 
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Does matter. And I'm not making any accusations, you are. I'm asking questions. Can you answer?

I didn't say you were making accusations.. I said the administration was doing it. Feel free to continue your one man circle-jerk all you like, you've got nothing in this thread.
 
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I didn't say you were making accusations.. I said the administration was doing it. Feel free to continue your one man circle-jerk all you like, you've got nothing in this thread.

But the administration isn't in this discussion, we are. And if the president is wrong, why do you think it justifies you being wrong here? I knw you really can't answer question, meaning you really can't fully support the claim, but I've seen more creative dodges. :lol:
 
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Please explain to us why anyone should have to prove those implications, when the current administration said it does not have to prove the implications it made regarding the Chamber of Commerce and it's finances. Same thing.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
All the Chamber of Commerce has to do is open their books to show where their donations came from. Why doesn't the American people have a right to know where political donations are coming from?
 
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How come regressives never denounce the corruption in the military appropriations and oil industries?

Is that the name you progressives are going by now?
 
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Does anyone here understand that GE is also a military contractor? That it gets far more money from military contracts then the 25 million from the stimulus

If as the insinuation is that Obama gave GE 25 million to influence MSNBC and NBC news, imagine what GE is forcing NBC and MSNBC to report on regarding military issues. Why MSNBC must be one of the most militaristic supporters of the media
 
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Is that the name you progressives are going by now?

The opposite of progressive is regressive


So if one is opposed to progress, one must support regression, and it would not be the progressives
 
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The real question is why are you complaining about this when so far I haven't seen any evidence that the money was spent on anything wasteful?

No, the implication is that Obama gave this for favors.

Okay, let's put this in perspective, shall we?

Top 20 Contributors to Sen. Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign


GE's contribution: $499,130 (Rank: 17 of 20)

Exerpt from at WashingtonExaminer.com:

Obama’s hidden bailout of General Electric
By: Timothy P. Carney dated March 4, 2009

While many companies hire lobbyists to win earmarks, General Electric’s unmatched lobbying force has secured a tax increase — or its equivalent — in President Barack Obama’s budget.

Labeled “climate revenues” and totaling $646 billion over eight years, this line item in Obama’s budget has inspired confidence in GE Chief Executive Officer Jeff Immelt. As Immelt put it in a letter this week, he believes that the Obama administration will be a profitable “financier” and “key partner.”

On page 115 of Obama’s fiscal 2010 budget is Table S-2, titled “Effect of Budget Proposals on Projected Deficits.” The chart forecasts the costs of Obama’s spending proposals and the added revenue of his proposed tax increases. It also forecasts, beginning in 2012, billions of dollars a year in “climate revenues.”

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GE — a member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, which advocates cap and trade — leads the push for greenhouse gas restrictions.

In the fourth quarter of 2008 as the company’s stock fell 30 percent, GE spent $4.26 million on lobbying...

GE has started a joint venture called Greenhouse Gas Services, which invests in — and hopes to manage the trade in — greenhouse gas credits. But these investments and this trading floor are of basically no use and nearly no value without government restrictions on greenhouse gases.

Hence the lobbying, buttressed by generous campaign contributions: Employees and executives gave $1.35 million to politicians in the past election while GE’s political action committee shelled out $1.55 million. About 64 percent of this $2.9 million went to Democrats, with Obama easily the top recipient of GE money.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Obama


Now, for those who are screaming FOUL, I have three words for you:

1. Oil subsidies. (See "Energy and Natural Resources" for GW Bush's 2004 campaign contributions)

2. Haliberton.

If you're going to complain about lobbyist working for one Presidential candidate AND/OR said candidate's administration once elected, you should complain when them all. We're talking about research grants to a top U.S. electronics company. Not subsidies, not loan guarantees, as to date no "special legislation" to give said company a competitive advantage in the marketplace (yet). So, the way I see it what GE and their affiliants have received under the ARRA (Stimulus Bill) is mere peanuts. However, I can see where there could be a conflict of interest here.
 
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Does anyone here understand that GE is also a military contractor? That it gets far more money from military contracts then the 25 million from the stimulus

If as the insinuation is that Obama gave GE 25 million to influence MSNBC and NBC news, imagine what GE is forcing NBC and MSNBC to report on regarding military issues. Why MSNBC must be one of the most militaristic supporters of the media

I don't think many think this stuff through all the way. But, if a news source doesn't affirm their personal bias, the implication is clear, the news must be biased. and Obama had to pay them to be biased. It's all rather silly all and all.
 
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If this were a republican doing this the outrage level, and rhetoric from the left would be deafening. Where are the libs on this?

j-mac

Consider it paying for advertising as GE has turned MSNBC into air america.
 
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All the Chamber of Commerce has to do is open their books to show where their donations came from. Why doesn't the American people have a right to know where political donations are coming from?

I think you gave illegal material aid in the form of financial contributions to known terrorist states. I don't have to prove my accusations, but you have to prove you didn't. Don't the American people have a right to know if you are giving financial aid to terrorist organizations? All you have to do is open your books to show where all your donations went.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it.
 
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The opposite of progressive is regressive


So if one is opposed to progress, one must support regression, and it would not be the progressives

Correct....And it seems as if all "progressives" want to do is live by the backward regressive socialist model.
 
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Does anyone here understand that GE is also a military contractor? That it gets far more money from military contracts then the 25 million from the stimulus

If as the insinuation is that Obama gave GE 25 million to influence MSNBC and NBC news, imagine what GE is forcing NBC and MSNBC to report on regarding military issues. Why MSNBC must be one of the most militaristic supporters of the media

Flash this just in: Pigs can soar with eagles, yes you heard it right. And in other news Obama authorized a $25,000,000 stimulus payment to GE so they would force NBC, & MSNBC to report favorably on any and all Military involvement GE has with the Government.

This in spite of Obama being Anti-Military spending, makes no sense at all.

Ge doesn't have to force NBC or MSNBC to not bite the hand that feeds them.

Besides it's not an insinuation, it's a damn accusation straight up.

The top three propagandists in the history of the world since Joseph Goebbels worked for Hitler are on MSNBC working overtime for Obama calling people names because they are all Mentally challenged or they would stick to facts and the truth but Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz can't deal with anything that is close to either, and make up crap and then they all three then use each others lies as proof theirs were the truth.

It's classic a PROPAGANDA technique.
 
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Flash this just in: Pigs can soar with eagles, yes you heard it right. And in other news Obama authorized a $25,000,000 stimulus payment to GE so they would force NBC, & MSNBC to report favorably on any and all Military involvement GE has with the Government.

This in spite of Obama being Anti-Military spending, makes no sense at all.

Ge doesn't have to force NBC or MSNBC to not bite the hand that feeds them.

Besides it's not an insinuation, it's a damn accusation straight up.

The top three propagandists in the history of the world since Joseph Goebbels worked for Hitler are on MSNBC working overtime for Obama calling people names because they are all Mentally challenged or they would stick to facts and the truth but Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz can't deal with anything that is close to either, and make up crap and then they all three then use each others lies as proof theirs were the truth.

It's classic a PROPAGANDA technique.


Why would Obama pay GE 25 million to report favorably on the military contracts GE gets, (ie jet and helicopter engines primarily)


If GE exercises editorial control over MSNBC then the idea that MSNBC is a liberal bastion of anti war socialists does not make much sense now does it. Given that GE is union busting company that loves the free market and has thrived with it along with military contracts helping its bottom line
 
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Flash this just in: Pigs can soar with eagles, yes you heard it right. And in other news Obama authorized a $25,000,000 stimulus payment to GE so they would force NBC, & MSNBC to report favorably on any and all Military involvement GE has with the Government.

This in spite of Obama being Anti-Military spending, makes no sense at all.

Ge doesn't have to force NBC or MSNBC to not bite the hand that feeds them.

Besides it's not an insinuation, it's a damn accusation straight up.

The top three propagandists in the history of the world since Joseph Goebbels worked for Hitler are on MSNBC working overtime for Obama calling people names because they are all Mentally challenged or they would stick to facts and the truth but Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz can't deal with anything that is close to either, and make up crap and then they all three then use each others lies as proof theirs were the truth.

It's classic a PROPAGANDA technique.
Take a deep breath... count to ten slowly....
 
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Is that the name you progressives are going by now?

Liberal. Progressive. Libtard. Libbos. Moonbats. Socialist. Marxist. Fascist (lol). Demonrats. Obamabots. Dumbocrats. And so on and so forth.

What, we have to stick with conservative?
 
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