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So How Did the Bush Tax Cuts Work Out for the Economy?

You stated that one of the reasons for the war was Saddams treatment of his people. That has nothing to do with protecting Americans from an enemy.

That is true

crushing a cockroach that we have a valid reason to crush to send a message to other vermin is though
 
nor were tax dollars intended to be redistributed to buy dem politicians votes. the constitutional foundations for war are far more sound than welfare. and I agree that lots of the defense budget is wasted. But at least its not per se illegitimate

Don't get caught in a partisan tit-for-tat argument that has nothing to do with the issues. I say the reasons for Iraq aren't justified and you say "well the democrats support wellfare?" lol. I joined this forum to be intellectually challenged by people who know how to debate. I'm becoming dissapionted.
 
That is true

crushing a cockroach that we have a valid reason to crush to send a message to other vermin is though

That's easy to say while sitting on you couch in the comfort of your own home. The American soldiers who actually sacraficed their lives for that cost, their family members and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who've died in the crossfire would disagree with you. Its easy to support a war when you aren't sacraficing anything.
 
You stated that one of the reasons for the war was Saddams treatment of his people. That has nothing to do with protecting Americans from an enemy.

I didn't state it, politicians on both sides said it. Guess their quotes don't mean anything to you. I keep wondering since you didn't serve, had no one serve that you know, and it being 8 years after the invasion why are you still discussing this issue? It has nothing to do with the thread topic but you did a good job getting me off topic. Don't blame you from diverting from the disaster Obama has been his first two years but that is all you have done is divert, you cannot change reality.
 
Don't get caught in a partisan tit-for-tat argument that has nothing to do with the issues. I say the reasons for Iraq aren't justified and you say "well the democrats support wellfare?" lol. I joined this forum to be intellectually challenged by people who know how to debate. I'm becoming dissapionted.

if someone is upset with too much spending on a constitutionally valid area of government spending, one would thinnk they would be even more upset over unconstitutional areas of government spending
 
That's easy to say while sitting on you couch in the comfort of your own home. The American soldiers who actually sacraficed their lives for that cost, their family members and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who've died in the crossfire would disagree with you. Its easy to support a war when you aren't sacraficing anything.

Right, I sat in the comfort of my home waiting for the phone call that fortunately never came that one of my nephews was killed in Iraq. what is it you sacrificed? Please explain to me why the military to this day overwhelmingly supports GW Bush? So much for the will of the military!
 
That's easy to say while sitting on you couch in the comfort of your own home. The American soldiers who actually sacraficed their lives for that cost, their family members and the hundreds of thousands of civilians who've died in the crossfire would disagree with you. Its easy to support a war when you aren't sacraficing anything.

just as its easy to say the rich need to pay more taxes when you aren't paying taxes.

how do you know that I was not in the military or that none of my family members are? Your assumptions are often wrong and the last time I checked no one over there was drafted.
 
I keep wondering since you...had no one serve that you know,

Ahhh, now I see why we never get anywhere in our debates, you don't actually read what I post!! I'll do you a favor and quote myself from when I told you I also have family that serves. However, unlike you, I don't consider that "qualified" experience in the war on terror. I currently being educated by graduate professors in the study of homeland security. Once you go get education in these matters, let me know.

BTW I have just as much family who served. One is a West Point grad who is in Afghanistan right now. Another is in Iraq right now. The others returned home last year. I know what waiting for calls is like.
 
Ahhh, now I see why we never get anywhere in our debates, you don't actually read what I post!! I'll do you a favor and quote myself from when I told you I also have family that serves. However, unlike you, I don't consider that "qualified" experience in the war on terror. I currently being educated by graduate professors in the study of homeland security. Once you go get education in these matters, let me know.

what university?
 
Ahhh, now I see why we never get anywhere in our debates, you don't actually read what I post!! I'll do you a favor and quote myself from when I told you I also have family that serves. However, unlike you, I don't consider that "qualified" experience in the war on terror. I currently being educated by graduate professors in the study of homeland security. Once you go get education in these matters, let me know.

At this point 8 years later you still don't get it and never will. Reliving the reasons for going to war is a waste of time and only diverts from the problems this country has to day. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. Thank your family members for their service.
 
This is from a textbook that is being used in several criminal justice programs around the U.S.

"Record shows that the use of military force is rarely successful at stopping terrorism over time, since it tends to drive existing groups even further underground, can lock a government into an unproductive tit-for-tat escalation with terrorist , and can increase international alienation against the United States. Dramatic cruise missile attacks, for example, can inflame public opinion in some third world countries (and even among some of our allies), affirming the belief that the United States takes too much unilateral action and has too much international sway. The ironic result can be an overall increase in political sympathy for the terrorist or their cause.

In practical terms moreover, the use of military force has become more difficult because of evolutions in the threat. Terrorist groups are increasingly amorphous, more likely to use evolving information technologies and to rely less upon traditional organizational structures, thus making it much harder to find targets to attack militarily. Sometimes perpertrators come together temporarily only for the purpose of attacking a target, as was the case in the first World Trade Center bombing.

Unfortunately however, military force is often used because it is the most immediate, demonstrable way to respond to an outrageous event. Law enforcement is the best way to build a foundation of homeland security and to develop international cooperation over time.
"

Terrorism: Research, Readings and Realities. Lynne L. Snowden, Bradley C. Whitsel. (2005)
 
At this point 8 years later you still don't get it and never will. Reliving the reasons for going to war is a waste of time and only diverts from the problems this country has to day. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. Thank your family members for their service.

Funny, that's the same thing my uncle says to his wife when she brings up the fact that he cheated on her 8 years ago.
 
This is from a textbook that is being used in several criminal justice programs around the U.S.

"Record shows that the use of military force is rarely successful at stopping terrorism over time, since it tends to drive existing groups even further underground, can lock a government into an unproductive tit-for-tat escalation with terrorist , and can increase international alienation against the United States. Dramatic cruise missile attacks, for example, can inflame public opinion in some third world countries (and even among some of our allies), affirming the belief that the United States takes too much unilateral action and has too much international sway. The ironic result can be an overall increase in political sympathy for the terrorist or their cause.

In practical terms moreover, the use of military force has become more difficult because of evolutions in the threat. Terrorist groups are increasingly amorphous, more likely to use evolving information technologies and to rely less upon traditional organizational structures, thus making it much harder to find targets to attack militarily. Sometimes perpertrators come together temporarily only for the purpose of attacking a target, as was the case in the first World Trade Center bombing.

Unfortunately however, military force is often used because it is the most immediate, demonstrable way to respond to an outrageous event. Law enforcement is the best way to build a foundation of homeland security and to develop international cooperation over time.
"

Terrorism: Research, Readings and Realities. Lynne L. Snowden, Bradley C. Whitsel. (2005)

I will take the GW Bush leadership and defense attitude over yours or Obama's any day! Our enemies understand one thing and one thing only, strength. they do not have the same values as you or any other American and treating this like a criminal police action will get a lot of Americans killed. These terrorists are getting support from governments all over the world thus your textbook learning is out of touch with reality. Get out in the real world, get some real life experiences then get back to me.
 
Who in their right mind would give out personal information like that on forum? I don't even want you neo-cons knowing what city I live in!!

paranoid much

I live in greater cincinnati and I am a graduate of Yale, among other places

you think giving out your state or school is going to allow someone to track you down?

LOL-

and Neocon? another LOL
 
I will take the GW Bush leadership and defense attitude over yours or Obama's any day!

I'll take neither. I'll take the ideas of founding fathers who wanted a non-interventionist foreign policy. If you lived in Germany in 1939 I'd bet you support an invasion of Poland, an invasion of France and a declarartion of war against the U.S. I thought our world had changed since the barbarism we saw during World War II. Now I see it hasn't and Nazism and barbarism are still here just in different forms. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! KILL KILL KILL! What? Facts? NO! NO FACTS! I BELIEVE EVERYTHING MY LEADER SAYS! THERE IS A THREAT, A REAL THREAT! WE MUST DESTROY THE THREAT! Our world hasn't changed at all.
 
Funny, that's the same thing my uncle says to his wife when she brings up the fact that he cheated on her 8 years ago.

Your Aunt doesn't have a lot of personal esteem I see, should have left him 8 years ago. That is taking action instead of holding a grudge for 8 years. Life is too short so if it still bothers her that much today I can imagine what kind of marriage they have had the past 8 years.
 
paranoid much

I live in greater cincinnati and I am a graduate of Yale, among other places

you think giving out your state or school is going to allow someone to track you down?

LOL-

and Neocon? another LOL

I'm surprised someone with a Yale education can be so obtuse about foreign policy issues. Oh and by the "Neoconservatism is a foreign policy that emerged in the United States in the 1970s. It supports using economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries." Wikipedia. They didn't teach what neo-conservativism is at Yale? Those ivy league schools sure aren't what they used to be. Don't even get me started on how Harvards education has dwindled.
 
I'll take neither. I'll take the ideas of founding fathers who wanted a non-interventionist foreign policy. If you lived in Germany in 1939 I'd bet you support an invasion of Poland, an invasion of France and a declarartion of war against the U.S. I thought our world had changed since the barbarism we saw during World War II. Now I see it hasn't and Nazism and barbarism are still here just in different forms. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! KILL KILL KILL! What? Facts? NO! NO FACTS! I BELIEVE EVERYTHING MY LEADER SAYS! THERE IS A THREAT, A REAL THREAT! WE MUST DESTROY THE THREAT! Our world hasn't changed at all.

Our Founders didn't have a problem with intervention because it took weeks to get overseas, not hours like today. I don't recall Germany attacking us but the U.S. did what was right. With people like you we all would be speaking either German or Japanese now. Unfortunately to some people doing what was right was irresponsible even though it could cost the lives of thousands. I have yet to meet a liberal who ever has been proactive in anything. In today's world that is a dangerous philosophy to have.

I have also yet to find a liberal who admits when wrong, that too is dangerous and actually kills a lot of people.
 
Your Aunt doesn't have a lot of personal esteem I see, should have left him 8 years ago. That is taking action instead of holding a grudge for 8 years. Life is too short so if it still bothers her that much today I can imagine what kind of marriage they have had the past 8 years.

We tried to leave Bush! Infact, we tried to never get into a marraige with him!! He didn't win the election in 2000, he stole it!
 
I'm surprised someone with a Yale education can be so obtuse about foreign policy issues. Oh and by the "Neoconservatism is a foreign policy that emerged in the United States in the 1970s. It supports using economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries." Wikipedia. They didn't teach what neo-conservativism is at Yale? Those ivy league schools sure aren't what they used to be. Don't even get me started on how Harvards education has dwindled.

Give a guy a book and he becomes an expert. You think because you read books you are an expert on foreign policy? You don't even know how your state works let alone some foreign country. Hope I am around when you come to the realization that you don't know it all. Arrogant liberalism run amuck
 
I'm surprised someone with a Yale education can be so obtuse about foreign policy issues. Oh and by the "Neoconservatism is a foreign policy that emerged in the United States in the 1970s. It supports using economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries." Wikipedia. They didn't teach what neo-conservativism is at Yale? Those ivy league schools sure aren't what they used to be. Don't even get me started on how Harvards education has dwindled.

I am surprised someone can make such baseless assumptions. That you won't post what school you attend is a sure sign its not one that is all that prestigious. But I am an expert on neo conservatism and one of the original Neocons was an associate at yale, one David Frum. the first wave of Neocons were generally socially liberal Jews who were upset with the Dem party's ambivalence of using american power in foreign policy matters-an ambivalence that came from "the best and the brightest" escapades in vietnam. Neocons are often liberal still on social matters such as gun bans (Krauthammer is a big gun hater for example) or welfare spending
 
We tried to leave Bush! Infact, we tried to never get into a marraige with him!! He didn't win the election in 2000, he stole it!

Yeah, right, he stole the election! You expect people to take you seriously?
 
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