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CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

TARP had nothing to do with defense, that is another issue completely although since this thread is a comparison between Bush and Obama, I don't recall Bush suing a sovereign state for defending itself like Obama did. Another reason that Bush was a better President than Obama is.
so says you, you also said obama didn't inherit tarp before you said he did.
 
so says you, you also said obama didn't inherit tarp before you said he did.

What are you talking about? Obama said he inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and that is a lie, period. Deficits are yearly and the fiscal year runs from October to September. GW Bush was in office October 1, 2008 until January 20, 2009 so in four months he, according to Obama created a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit. That is totally impossible.

Now let me educate you. TARP was the Toxic Asset Relief Program designed to bailout the banks. It wasn't a stimulus plan, that is the Obama 862 billion dollar plan signed in February 2009.

TARP was 700 billion dollars of which Bush spent 350 billion and left 350 billion for Obama. To date there still is about 200 billion dollars that hasn't been spent so the total cost of TARP was approximately 500 billion dollars. Banks started paying back TARP in fiscal year 2009 and much of that 500 billion was paid back. Instead of paying back the taxpayers, Obama held the money and no one knows what he has done with it thus most of the 350 billion which Bush spent was paid back. Get it yet?

Obama lied again. Had Obama done what he should have done, paid down the deficit with the TARP payback Bush wouldn't have had any deficit from the TARP program. Instead Obama wanted the issue and the minions of supporters bought the message of the inherited deficit which is not only impossible but a lie.

Clear yet?
 
What are you talking about? Obama said he inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and that is a lie, period. Deficits are yearly and the fiscal year runs from October to September. GW Bush was in office October 1, 2008 until January 20, 2009 so in four months he, according to Obama created a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit. That is totally impossible.

Now let me educate you. TARP was the Toxic Asset Relief Program designed to bailout the banks. It wasn't a stimulus plan, that is the Obama 862 billion dollar plan signed in February 2009.

TARP was 700 billion dollars of which Bush spent 350 billion and left 350 billion for Obama. To date there still is about 200 billion dollars that hasn't been spent so the total cost of TARP was approximately 500 billion dollars. Banks started paying back TARP in fiscal year 2009 and much of that 500 billion was paid back. Instead of paying back the taxpayers, Obama held the money and no one knows what he has done with it thus most of the 350 billion which Bush spent was paid back. Get it yet?

Obama lied again. Had Obama done what he should have done, paid down the deficit with the TARP payback Bush wouldn't have had any deficit from the TARP program. Instead Obama wanted the issue and the minions of supporters bought the message of the inherited deficit which is not only impossible but a lie.

Clear yet?
of course obama lies ALL politicians lie that is what they do but when bush lied our soldiers died. you said "where did the money go?" if that is YOUR concern then you should look at the place where the vast majority of the deficit comes from namely the defense budget and then tell ME "where did the money go?" when we have 16 million illegals in this country.
 
of course obama lies ALL politicians lie that is what they do but when bush lied our soldiers died. you said "where did the money go?" if that is YOUR concern then you should look at the place where the vast majority of the deficit comes from namely the defense budget and then tell ME "where did the money go?" when we have 16 million illegals in this country.

You really don't have a clue and have never looked at the budget of the United States. Suggest you go to the U.S. Treasury Site and look at the line items in the budget. Educate yourself.

This thread is about comparing Bush to Obama. You want a bash Bush thread create one and I will be happy to debate you on the facts. Problem is too many people buy into an ideology and ignore the actual facts. History will judge Bush a lot differently than you and the others here that have Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Facts are something liberals do not want to address. I gave you the facts which of course you ignored
 
You really don't have a clue and have never looked at the budget of the United States. Suggest you go to the U.S. Treasury Site and look at the line items in the budget. Educate yourself.

This thread is about comparing Bush to Obama. You want a bash Bush thread create one and I will be happy to debate you on the facts. Problem is too many people buy into an ideology and ignore the actual facts. History will judge Bush a lot differently than you and the others here that have Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Facts are something liberals do not want to address. I gave you the facts which of course you ignored
if you didn't notice i am a equal opportunity basher i bashed obama also. and FACTS are something conservitives are lacking as well. your street seems to only go in one direction. i don't need to go to the u.s. treasury site to see lie just like the politicians i just need to look at what is happening in the world to see where the money didn't go. i have already answered the thread by saying it does not matter weather the president has a D or an R on his forehead people with FAR more power than they have are REALLY running the show. so obama and bush are the same, puppets.
 
if you didn't notice i am a equal opportunity basher i bashed obama also. and FACTS are something conservitives are lacking as well. your street seems to only go in one direction. i don't need to go to the u.s. treasury site to see lie just like the politicians i just need to look at what is happening in the world to see where the money didn't go. i have already answered the thread by saying it does not matter weather the president has a D or an R on his forehead people with FAR more power than they have are REALLY running the show. so obama and bush are the same, puppets.

Watch out for those black helicopters! Like it or not, you haven't a clue. the U.S. Treasury is the checkbook of the United States and the keeper of the Budget. In that budget there are line items and you blame the Defense Dept as the reason for the deficits we have. That is idiotic, the defense dept. isn't even the largest budget item and amounts to a little less than 1/6th of the budget. How can one line item that constitutes between 600-700 billion of the 3.8 trillion dollar budget be the cause of the 1.29 trillion dollar deficit we had last year? If the entire defense budget was eliminated the deficit would have been over 600 billion dollars and Congress would violate the basic principle of Defense as defined in the Constitution.
 
It isn't a game show and no one has to guess at the cost. It is there for all to see but then most liberals don't want to confront the issue and prefer instead to buy what they are told from leftwing sites. Once the number is posted I will show how ridiculous their argument is. Liberals want to blame deficits on tax cuts meaning that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. which is total bs.

I have some numbers from the war.

American Deaths Total In Combat
Since war began (3/19/03): 4426 3496
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) 4287 3388
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3567 2863
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 198 91

Its not all about the money. President Obama has not started any wars.
 
I have some numbers from the war.

American Deaths Total In Combat
Since war began (3/19/03): 4426 3496
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) 4287 3388
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3567 2863
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 198 91

Its not all about the money. President Obama has not started any wars.

Neither did President Bush, we were attacked and instead of chasing terrorists through the mountains of Afghanistan like the Russians did and lost, we drew them to Iraq and destroyed most of their leadership. It is about national security as that is the role of the Federal Govt. Barack Obama is no supporter of the Constitution and thus no friend of any Libertarian.
 
Neither did President Bush, we were attacked and instead of chasing terrorists through the mountains of Afghanistan like the Russians did and lost, we drew them to Iraq and destroyed most of their leadership. It is about national security as that is the role of the Federal Govt. Barack Obama is no supporter of the Constitution and thus no friend of any Libertarian.

So your saying that President Bush knew that Al-Qaeda, which was based out of Afghanistan and started in Pakistan, would run to Iraq <a country controled by a dictator who hated Al-Qaeda> so that he could then trap them there and kill them. WOW. Im going to use one of your standard lines. Back it up.
 
So your saying that President Bush knew that Al-Qaeda, which was based out of Afghanistan and started in Pakistan, would run to Iraq <a country controled by a dictator who hated Al-Qaeda> so that he could then trap them there and kill them. WOW. Im going to use one of your standard lines. Back it up.

Why don't you ask the Congress that authorized the action in Iraq and review the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. As I pointed out, I had three family members in Iraq and all said we did the right thing. What is your experience in that area?
 
Why don't you ask the Congress that authorized the action in Iraq and review the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. As I pointed out, I had three family members in Iraq and all said we did the right thing. What is your experience in that area?

Congress authorized action as a last resort because President Bush demanded that without it he could not protect us. It was by far not used as a last resort. In fact most of the world, even allies, did not agree.
 
Why don't you ask the Congress that authorized the action in Iraq and review the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. As I pointed out, I had three family members in Iraq and all said we did the right thing. What is your experience in that area?

You also avoided the question. Are you saying that President Bush knew that Al-Qaeda, which was based out of Afghanistan and started in Pakistan, would run to Iraq <a country controled by a dictator who hated Al-Qaeda> so that he could then trap them there and kill them.
 
Congress authorized action as a last resort because President Bush demanded that without it he could not protect us. It was by far not used as a last resort. In fact most of the world, even allies, did not agree.

That is your opinion, those of my family members there is quite different. Again what is your experience in that area?

As for the world, the ones that matter were with us, the ones that weren't changed leadership and are now reversing decades of socialism.
 
You also avoided the question. Are you saying that President Bush knew that Al-Qaeda, which was based out of Afghanistan and started in Pakistan, would run to Iraq <a country controled by a dictator who hated Al-Qaeda> so that he could then trap them there and kill them.

There is enough evidence to know that al Qaeda was in Iraq just like Afghanistan. Pay attention to politicians on both sides and their comments. Read the 9/11 Report, Read the Lord Butler Report, Read the Iraq Study Group report.

Again, it would seem that people who were actually in Iraq have a better understanding of what went on there and by a wide majority claim we did the right thing. Bush had tremendous support from the troops and that continues today. What makes you an expert on Iraq?
 
There is enough evidence to know that al Qaeda was in Iraq just like Afghanistan. Pay attention to politicians on both sides and their comments. Read the 9/11 Report, Read the Lord Butler Report, Read the Iraq Study Group report.

Again, it would seem that people who were actually in Iraq have a better understanding of what went on there and by a wide majority claim we did the right thing. Bush had tremendous support from the troops and that continues today. What makes you an expert on Iraq?

First off have you ever noticed how you attack somones knowledge on a subject without knowing anything about that person? You do in on almost every responce. YOu also try to insult people with your last statement. From my experience that means your very insecure about your possition and feel the need to attack others knowledge and person to divert the conversation from the real topic.
 
That is your opinion, those of my family members there is quite different. Again what is your experience in that area?

As for the world, the ones that matter were with us, the ones that weren't changed leadership and are now reversing decades of socialism.

So now you are an expert on what the Iraq people wanted becuase you have three family members who are in Iraq and if I dont have an equivalent family presence in Iraq your more of an expert than I am. Thats silly. Why dont you go visit the 30k plus wounded soldiers then come back and claim to be an expert.
 
First off have you ever noticed how you attack somones knowledge on a subject without knowing anything about that person? You do in on almost every responce. YOu also try to insult people with your last statement. From my experience that means your very insecure about your possition and feel the need to attack others knowledge and person to divert the conversation from the real topic.

What I noticed is that you ran when challenged and resort to calling my statement a personal attack. I asked you what your experience was with regards to Iraq. I stated that I had three family members serving there and I can post quotes after quotes from politicians on both sides regarding support for terrorism and al Qaeda in Iraq. I can post the documentation from the Iraq Liberation Act, UN Inspector quotes, the Lord Butler Report, the 9/11 Commission which you will probably call a personal attack as well. Nothing is going to change your opinions which I believe were generated by what you have read or heard from sources you want to believe.
 
So now you are an expert on what the Iraq people wanted becuase you have three family members who are in Iraq and if I dont have an equivalent family presence in Iraq your more of an expert than I am. Thats silly. Why dont you go visit the 30k plus wounded soldiers then come back and claim to be an expert.

Have you visited any of the troops that came back wounded? Talked to them about their mission? Most would go back in a heartbeat, why? yes, I believe that based upon research and actual family members that served there that I am more of an expert on iraq than you. You have provided nothing to change that opinion.
 
Have you visited any of the troops that came back wounded? Talked to them about their mission? Most would go back in a heartbeat, why? yes, I believe that based upon research and actual family members that served there that I am more of an expert on iraq than you. You have provided nothing to change that opinion.


Why aren't you over there?
 
Have you visited any of the troops that came back wounded? Talked to them about their mission? Most would go back in a heartbeat, why? yes, I believe that based upon research and actual family members that served there that I am more of an expert on iraq than you. You have provided nothing to change that opinion.

I work with hospitals. I volunteer over 2000 hrs a year some of which at Walter Reed. My family has been fighting for this country in military service since the revolutionary war. Including Iraq.

We were lied to. Weapons of Mass destruction. Impending attacks like the ones on 911. Fear. That is what was sold to us. Not so after the fact BS story about Al-Qaeda in Iraq. My god man, Sadam hated Al-Qaeda. They were a threat to his power and he NEVER would have allowed them in the country.
 
I work with hospitals. I volunteer over 2000 hrs a year some of which at Walter Reed. My family has been fighting for this country in military service since the revolutionary war. Including Iraq.

We were lied to. Weapons of Mass destruction. Impending attacks like the ones on 911. Fear. That is what was sold to us. Not so after the fact BS story about Al-Qaeda in Iraq. My god man, Sadam hated Al-Qaeda. They were a threat to his power and he NEVER would have allowed them in the country.

That is your opinion and apparently something you will never get over. The fact that we freed 50 million Muslims and elevated women back to human status escapes you. You just cannot see a foot beyond the end of your nose so to carry this further is a waste of time. It has been over 8 years since the authorization was given by a Democrat Senate. You will never get it, but the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
 
That is your opinion and apparently something you will never get over. The fact that we freed 50 million Muslims and elevated women back to human status escapes you. You just cannot see a foot beyond the end of your nose so to carry this further is a waste of time. It has been over 8 years since the authorization was given by a Democrat Senate. You will never get it, but the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I dont need to get over anything. I am simply trying to find out why we went to war with a country that never attacked us. Now your change your stroy. Now the Iraq war was to free 50 million muslims. Can you please stick to one BS reason at a time. This is the second time you have said I dont see your point so you want to quit. Again, the authorization was given as a LAST RESORT. I watched Colen Powell plead for it.
 
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