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CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?

ender1 said:
Do you think President Bush was a good president.
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You continue to avoid the point. I'll take that as a concession of same.
 
Goobieman said:
You continue to avoid the point. I'll take that as a concession of same.
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So you refuse to say if you think President Bush was a good president or not in a forum discussion about weather he is or not. Thats odd.
 
ender1 said:
Do you think President Bush was a good president.
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Now I recognize I wasn't asked the question but like all Presidents Bush made some mistakes but overall the results say yes, he was a good President. He did something that others haven't done, operated out of principle, pride and respect for this country, and a true belief that the role of the President was to defend this nation.

Unless you truly research non partisan sites to get the facts about the Bush Presidency you aren't going to get the truth about what he accomplished. History will judge Bush on factual results not personal opinions of others.
 
Conservative said:
Not sure where you get your information but apparently you buy what you are told instead of doing some research. Do you realize that your dollars aren't going to big business or any other business? It is all about tax credits coming off the income that businesses have earned not checks from the Treasury to businesses. Do you realize that 80% of the businesses in this country aren't BIG Business? Those are the job creators but when you attack business in general it isn't the big businesses getting hurt, it is the smaller businesses.
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Corn Subsidies 1995 to 2009 : 245 Billion
Reslut: Family farmers going out of business and Big Business (e.g. Monsanto) making 90% of the profit.

Oil Subsides from 2002 to 2008: 72 Billion
Result: Big oil made record profits.

Thats over 300Billion and I have only started. Do your research and you will be just as angry over what has been stolen by big business. And how.

Hey, how about Wal-Mart. Guess who their health insurance company is. . . YOU.

Considering I own two businesses, yes I do realize that 80% of business is not considered Big Business. Those are of course fuzzy numbers but thats another conversation. I also realize that Big Business gets breaks the rest of us dont. I also am heavily invovled in financing business loans. I consider my experience more than enough to make me an expert in small business.

So you want to on a runway for 24hrs without a break. Not me. So the gift card you purchase with cash, if not used should go bad like produce. Not me.

Conservative said:
Obama's fiscal policy started with the stimulus in February 2009. He has put Bush spending on steroids and with what results? Results matter, not rhetoric and Obama's results speak volumes. According to NBER the recession ended in June 2009 yet in 2010 economic growth is lower than 2009 and unemployment is higher each month vs. 2009. How do you explain that.
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I repeat myself. I did not agree when President bush spent Trillions. I dont agree when President Obama spends Trillions. My message is consistant. Did you approve of the trillions President Bush spent?

Conservative said:
You aren't saying it but Obama did, how did Obama inherit a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit for a fiscal year that ended in September 2009, 8 months AFTER he took office. Point being he added to the Bush budgets and thus is responsible for that deficit just like Bush therefore he cannot inherit what he helped create.
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I dont approve of what both of them have done. Im not a Republican or a Democrat. I think both parties are to blame. I just dont beleive you can say its President Obamas fault.
 
Conservative said:
Now I recognize I wasn't asked the question but like all Presidents Bush made some mistakes but overall the results say yes, he was a good President. He did something that others haven't done, operated out of principle, pride and respect for this country, and a true belief that the role of the President was to defend this nation.

Unless you truly research non partisan sites to get the facts about the Bush Presidency you aren't going to get the truth about what he accomplished. History will judge Bush on factual results not personal opinions of others.
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Thank you. I dont expect an answer from Gooberman
 
ender1 said:
Do you think President Bush was a good president.
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I don't know what you mean by "good", but I do know Bush was qualified to be President by governing a state with an economy larger than most nations. That more than makes Bush more qualified than Obama to even be President. Obama was not elected for his experience. Obama was elected for his promises. Obama promised us more cooperation, less partisanship, and transparency in Washington. He lied.
 
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=ender1;1059058811]Corn Subsidies 1995 to 2009 : 245 Billion
Reslut: Family farmers going out of business and Big Business (e.g. Monsanto) making 90% of the profit.
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1995-2009? That is Clinton, Bush, and Obama
How many family farmers went out of business?
What is your problem with corporate profits? Where do those profits go?

Oil Subsides from 2002 to 2008: 72 Billion
Result: Big oil made record profits.
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Oil subsidies? You mean oil companies keeping more of what they earn? Again, what is your problem with corporate profits. How many seniors and others invested in oil companies living off dividends? Think there would be dividends or employees without profits? Think that charities would benefit without profits?

Thats over 300Billion and I have only started. Do your research and you will be just as angry over what has been stolen by big business. And how.
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What exactly did big business take from you or your family? If you want to get upset, get upset over the waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption of a 3.8 TRILLION dollar federal govt.

Hey, how about Wal-Mart. Guess who their health insurance company is. . . YOU.
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Wal-Mart employs a lot of people, promotes from within, and has made a lot of people quite wealthy. How many people have the govt. made wealthy?

Considering I own two businesses, yes I do realize that 80% of business is not considered Big Business. Those are of course fuzzy numbers but thats another conversation. I also realize that Big Business gets breaks the rest of us dont. I also am heavily invovled in financing business loans. I consider my experience more than enough to make me an expert in small business.
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You seem very concerned about business keeping more of what it earns as if the govt. spends that money wisely. Why aren't you more concerned about how your tax dollars are spent vs. what corporations do with their income. You can choose to purchase from a corporation but not whether or not you pay to the govt.

I normally don't see business people condemning what other businesses make or do with their money. You seem to have an anti business bias and the question is why?


So you want to on a runway for 24hrs without a break. Not me. So the gift card you purchase with cash, if not used should go bad like produce. Not me.
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I want a growing thriving economy and the 16 million unemployed Americans put back to work. Unemployment has increased every month of 2010 vs. 2009, the year the recession ended. Sorry, cannot get to excited about the regulations that Obama passed that make you feel good especially since most of those regulations were already on the books prior to Obama. As for gift cards, why give them in the first place. How does the Obama regulations on gift cards affect the economy, jobs, and economic growth?


I repeat myself. I did not agree when President bush spent Trillions. I dont agree when President Obama spends Trillions. My message is consistant. Did you approve of the trillions President Bush spent?
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No, I didn't approve of all the money Bush spent but Bush never had trillion dollar deficits. My message also has been consistent, Bush spent too much with the help of Congress and Obama has put Bush spending on steroids. Democrats have controlled the purse strings since January 2007 and we are now seeing what a Democrat Congress and President are doing to spending.


I dont approve of what both of them have done. Im not a Republican or a Democrat. I think both parties are to blame. I just dont beleive you can say its President Obamas fault.
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What is going on right now is totally and completely Obama's fault. He has a Democrat Congress and is implementing his entire economic agenda. Many people blame Bush while ignoring Congressional duties and responsibilities. GW Bush could do nothing in 2007-2008 without Democrat support.
 
Conservative said:
1995-2009? That is Clinton, Bush, and Obama
How many family farmers went out of business?
What is your problem with corporate profits? Where do those profits go?
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They go to huge corporate saleries and lobbiest who purchase political seats. Same for the oil companies. What you thought it ends up in the pockets of share holders.
Conservative said:
What exactly did big business take from you or your family? If you want to get upset, get upset over the waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption of a 3.8 TRILLION dollar federal govt.
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Thats no different than saying what does welfare take from you. Its lowers our tax income so thats less money we have to spend on other things. Maybe even why MY taxes are going up.

Conservative said:
Wal-Mart employs a lot of people, promotes from within, and has made a lot of people quite wealthy. How many people have the govt. made wealthy?.
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If your fine paying for their health care then fine. You pay it. I do not want to pay for Wal-Marts health care. It has nothing to do with somone making money. It has to do with them paying low saleries to the point where the only affordable health care is govt sponcered health care.

Conservative said:
You seem very concerned about business keeping more of what it earns as if the govt. spends that money wisely. Why aren't you more concerned about how your tax dollars are spent vs. what corporations do with their income. You can choose to purchase from a corporation but not whether or not you pay to the govt. ?.
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NO NO NO. I am 100% all for reducing what the government spends I keep repeating that. I think its the more important issue. Are you actually reading my posts.

Conservative said:
I normally don't see business people condemning what other businesses make or do with their money. You seem to have an anti business bias and the question is why?
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No. Again, Small business good. . Big Business Bad.




I want a growing thriving economy and the 16 million unemployed Americans put back to work. Unemployment has increased every month of 2010 vs. 2009, the year the recession ended. Sorry, cannot get to excited about the regulations that Obama passed that make you feel good especially since most of those regulations were already on the books prior to Obama. As for gift cards, why give them in the first place. How does the Obama regulations on gift cards affect the economy, jobs, and economic growth?




No, I didn't approve of all the money Bush spent but Bush never had trillion dollar deficits. My message also has been consistent, Bush spent too much with the help of Congress and Obama has put Bush spending on steroids. Democrats have controlled the purse strings since January 2007 and we are now seeing what a Democrat Congress and President are doing to spending.




What is going on right now is totally and completely Obama's fault. He has a Democrat Congress and is implementing his entire economic agenda. Many people blame Bush while ignoring Congressional duties and responsibilities. GW Bush could do nothing in 2007-2008 without Democrat support.[/QUOTE]

Im not sure your actually reading my posts. You keep arguing with me because you think I want Bigger Government and approve of President Obamas budget. Please be clear. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MY MONEY.
 
I want a growing thriving economy and the 16 million unemployed Americans put back to work. Unemployment has increased every month of 2010 vs. 2009, the year the recession ended. Sorry, cannot get to excited about the regulations that Obama passed that make you feel good especially since most of those regulations were already on the books prior to Obama. As for gift cards, why give them in the first place. How does the Obama regulations on gift cards affect the economy, jobs, and economic growth?




No, I didn't approve of all the money Bush spent but Bush never had trillion dollar deficits. My message also has been consistent, Bush spent too much with the help of Congress and Obama has put Bush spending on steroids. Democrats have controlled the purse strings since January 2007 and we are now seeing what a Democrat Congress and President are doing to spending.




What is going on right now is totally and completely Obama's fault. He has a Democrat Congress and is implementing his entire economic agenda. Many people blame Bush while ignoring Congressional duties and responsibilities. GW Bush could do nothing in 2007-2008 without Democrat support.[/QUOTE]

Im not sure your actually reading my posts. You keep arguing with me because you think I want Bigger Government and approve of President Obamas budget. Please be clear. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MY MONEY.



Please disregard this last part.
 
Jack Fate said:
I don't know what you mean by "good", but I do know Bush was qualified to be President by governing a state with an economy larger than most nations. That more than makes Bush more qualified than Obama to even be President. Obama was not elected for his experience. Obama was elected for his promises. Obama promised us more cooperation, less partisanship, and transparency in Washington. He lied.
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President Obama was elected because the country was in crisis.
 
Ender1;1059058919]They go to huge corporate saleries and lobbiest who purchase political seats. Same for the oil companies. What you thought it ends up in the pockets of share holders.
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That is your opinion which is just that, an opinion. If the American people are dumb enough to elect the same people over and over again that are bought and paid for by lobbyists or those so called evil corporations, then they deserve what they get. No corporate executive casts a vote on the floor of Congress.

Thats no different than saying what does welfare take from you. Its lowers our tax income so thats less money we have to spend on other things. Maybe even why MY taxes are going up.
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Less money that "we" have to spend on other things? Who is "we"? We have gotten far away from the actual role of the Federal Govt. as created by our founders and too many people are just letting it happen. Our Founders got it right, power corrupts and they knew that a strong central govt. would abuse their power and that is what is happening today. Welfare and other personal social issues are state and local issues, not a bureaucrat in D.C.


If your fine paying for their health care then fine. You pay it. I do not want to pay for Wal-Marts health care. It has nothing to do with somone making money. It has to do with them paying low saleries to the point where the only affordable health care is govt sponcered health care.
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Healthcare to me is a personal responsibility and I don't expect you to pay for mine so why should I pay for yours. I don't work for Wal-Mart thus am not paying for their healthcare. I competed against Wal-Mart and I assure you that Wal-Mart doesn't pay low salaries although salaries are market driven and many Wal-Mart employees are part time. Wal-Mart definitely promotes from within and that creates opportunities for their workers. They must be doing something right as no one holds a gun to anyone's head to go to work for Wal-Mart.


NO NO NO. I am 100% all for reducing what the government spends I keep repeating that. I think its the more important issue. Are you actually reading my posts.
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Not blaming Obama for the current spending is what you are doing and he has put Bush spending on steroids.


No. Again, Small business good. . Big Business Bad.
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Wrong, private business good regardless of the size. Big Govt. bad and corrupt.


Im not sure your actually reading my posts. You keep arguing with me because you think I want Bigger Government and approve of President Obamas budget. Please be clear. I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MY MONEY.
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Good, neither do I so tell me then why isn't what is happening today Obama's fault? Obama hasn't even submitted a 2011 budget but the 2010 budget had a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and had nothing to do with Bush. Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit.
 
ender1 said:
President Obama was elected because the country was in crisis.
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The American people were duped and bought the Obama rhetoric while ignoring his resume. The results the last two years show that those who didn't support Obama were right.
 
Jack Fate said:
We are in a worse crisis now. He failed. Nov 2 will show you that.
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Time will tell. I dont here the word crisis on the news every night. Or that the country is heading for a depresion.
 
ender1 said:
Time will tell. I dont here the word crisis on the news every night. Or that the country is heading for a depresion.
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The country never was headed for a recession, it was all rhetoric from Obama. Our economy is too diverse for that yet Obama doesn't understand it. Here is something to think about. If you don't understand the private sector which makes up most of this economy, how can you manage it? Think that a book smart individual could do as good of a job running your two businesses as you do?

Here is a chart that shows past presidents and the percentage of each president's cabinet appointees who had previously worked in the private sector - you know, a real life business, not a government or teaching job.

1) T. Roosevelt 38%
2) Taft 40%
3) Wilson 52%
4) Harding 42%
5) FDR 50%
6) Truman 50%
7) Eisenhower 57%
8) Kennedy 30%
9) LBJ 37%
10)Nixon 53%
11)Ford 42%
12)Carter 22%
13)Reagan 59%
14)GHWB 51%
15)Clinton 37%
16)GWB 55%
And the Chicken Dinner Winner is:
OBAMA - 8%
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion which is just that, an opinion. If the American people are dumb enough to elect the same people over and over again that are bought and paid for by lobbyists or those so called evil corporations, then they deserve what they get. No corporate executive casts a vote on the floor of Congress..
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Thats why Im not a supporter of Republicans or Democrats. Hopefully more people will wake up and realize your getting jacked by both parties.

Conservative said:
Less money that "we" have to spend on other things? Who is "we"? We have gotten far away from the actual role of the Federal Govt. as created by our founders and too many people are just letting it happen. Our Founders got it right, power corrupts and they knew that a strong central govt. would abuse their power and that is what is happening today. Welfare and other personal social issues are state and local issues, not a bureaucrat in D.C.
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Agreed. Vote libertarian and made the change happen.

Conservative said:
Healthcare to me is a personal responsibility and I don't expect you to pay for mine so why should I pay for yours. I don't work for Wal-Mart thus am not paying for their healthcare. I competed against Wal-Mart and I assure you that Wal-Mart doesn't pay low salaries although salaries are market driven and many Wal-Mart employees are part time. Wal-Mart definitely promotes from within and that creates opportunities for their workers. They must be doing something right as no one holds a gun to anyone's head to go to work for Wal-Mart..
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You ARE paying for their healthcare. With your tax dollars. Please do a little homework and you will find many many lawsuites agains Wal-Mart for this very issue. Trust me, if you pay taxes you paid for Wal-Marts health care.

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Not blaming Obama for the current spending is what you are doing and he has put Bush spending on steroids.
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Again, I blame him. I just also blame President Bush.

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Wrong, private business good regardless of the size. Big Govt. bad and corrupt.
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Private business is a new topic. I agree with big govt being bad.

Conservative said:
Good, neither do I so tell me then why isn't what is happening today Obama's fault? Obama hasn't even submitted a 2011 budget but the 2010 budget had a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and had nothing to do with Bush. Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit.
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President Bush came into office with a surplus. President Obama came in with people telling him we were headed toward a depression. I think the future will tell if President Obama's policy will help or hurt.
 
President Bush came into office with a surplus. President Obama came in with people telling him we were headed toward a depression. I think the future will tell if President Obama's policy will help or hurt.
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There was no surplus that Bush inherited, only a projected surplus. The so called surplus that people claim Bush inherited was actually money stolen from the SS fund. How can there be a surplus when the debt rose each year? Think about it?
 
Conservative said:
The country never was headed for a recession, it was all rhetoric from Obama. Our economy is too diverse for that yet Obama doesn't understand it. Here is something to think about. If you don't understand the private sector which makes up most of this economy, how can you manage it? Think that a book smart individual could do as good of a job running your two businesses as you do?

Here is a chart that shows past presidents and the percentage of each president's cabinet appointees who had previously worked in the private sector - you know, a real life business, not a government or teaching job.
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I think you meant depression. We were certainly in a serious recession. President Bush used the word crisis many times to explain the economic situation during the 2008 campaign. So did Senater McCain. Many times. To ignore that makes me question why your trying do downplay events that are factual and understood by all sides.

Yes, we landed on the moon.
 
Conservative said:
There was no surplus that Bush inherited, only a projected surplus. The so called surplus that people claim Bush inherited was actually money stolen from the SS fund. How can there be a surplus when the debt rose each year? Think about it?
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How about going back to President Bush's campaign platform

"The Bush economic plan saves over half the surplus to strengthen Social Security and reduce the national debt"
 
ender1 said:
I think you meant depression. We were certainly in a serious recession. President Bush used the word crisis many times to explain the economic situation during the 2008 campaign. So did Senater McCain. Many times. To ignore that makes me question why your trying do downplay events that are factual and understood by all sides.

Yes, we landed on the moon.
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Righy, my error, depression is what I should have stated. It was Obama that called it heading towards a depression yet interesting enough that recession ended in June 2009. If it was as bad as Obama claimed that wouldn't have happened. I don't ignore the recession as it is backed by actual bea.gov data but what others seem to ignore is what Obama did or didn't do to get us out of it. Why are the numbers in 2010 worse than 2009? Can you name for me any other recession where the economic numbers were worse over a year after the recession ended? That should make you question Obama's policies.
 
ender1 said:
How about going back to President Bush's campaign platform

"The Bush economic plan saves over half the surplus to strengthen Social Security and reduce the national debt"
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It was a projected surplus, not an actual one and then we had 9/11. There was no surplus as evidenced by the debt rising each year.
 
Conservative said:
Righy, my error, depression is what I should have stated. It was Obama that called it heading towards a depression yet interesting enough that recession ended in June 2009. If it was as bad as Obama claimed that wouldn't have happened. I don't ignore the recession as it is backed by actual bea.gov data but what others seem to ignore is what Obama did or didn't do to get us out of it. Why are the numbers in 2010 worse than 2009? Can you name for me any other recession where the economic numbers were worse over a year after the recession ended? That should make you question Obama's policies.
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Im not sure I agree with it being worse. Its not great but in 2008 and 2009 we were loosing jobs, businesses and market shares faster than any other time in the last 100 years except during the great depression. Some would say that we are still feeling the effects of the mistakes during President Bush's presidencies. I dont hear the news every night saying we are heading toward depression. In fact we went from a DJ drop of almost 50% to a nice rebound.

If you dont beleive it was that bad then you dont remember the banks saying "If we dont get some money now we will fail".

When was the last time so many businesses needed money or they would fail.
 
Conservative said:
It was a projected surplus, not an actual one and then we had 9/11. There was no surplus as evidenced by the debt rising each year.
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So you are saying that President Bush lied about us having a surplus in his campaign.
 
ender1;1059059221]Im not sure I agree with it being worse. Its not great but in 2008 and 2009 we were loosing jobs, businesses and market shares faster than any other time in the last 100 years except during the great depression. Some would say that we are still feeling the effects of the mistakes during President Bush's presidencies. I dont hear the news every night saying we are heading toward depression. In fact we went from a DJ drop of almost 50% to a nice rebound.
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There you go again buying the rhetoric. Go to BLS.gov to get the job losses and see when we lost jobs and then explain why unemployment is higher today than it was last year when the recession ended? I don't recall you discussing the 52 straight months of job creation during the Bush Presidency or the fact that the Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007 and had to approve everything that Bush did. The Democrats were more concerned about regaining the WH than preventing a recession.

For those that claim we are still feeling the affects of Bush policy I suggest you apply some logic and common sense to that argument. Recession ends in June 2009 and every month of 2010 unemployment is higher? Think about it as that is impossible and has never happened in any previous recession.

If you dont beleive it was that bad then you dont remember the banks saying "If we dont get some money now we will fail".

When was the last time so many businesses needed money or they would fail.
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I know banks that didn't want the money but were forced to take it, Chase and Wells Fargo for example. I wouldn't have bailed the banks out but that is ancient history now. What isn't ancient is the Obama policies which have done nothing to promote the private sector. That hasn't stopped him from blaming Bush and some continuing to buy it. We shall see on November 2 how much the public still blames Bush.
 
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