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Private sector sheds 39,000 jobs in September

where do those people get their preventive treatment?

The better question is where will they get it in 2014 when this bill goes into effect. GPs are already very busy. Adding 10-15% more demand with no provision to expand supply seems unworkable.
 
The better question is where will they get it in 2014 when this bill goes into effect. GPs are already very busy. Adding 10-15% more demand with no provision to expand supply seems unworkable.

Exactly! What supporters of Obamacare don't seem to understand is supply and demand nor do they understand history. MA has universal healthcare and their ER's are overflowing with people who are covered by their insurance program. The largest rise in ER usage are people with insurance who cannot get into see their doctor because of a shortage. Long waits exist everywhere there is universal coverage because of a shortage of doctors and hospitals. Aside from this being impractical, you aptly pointed out that there is no provision to expand supply.

http://www.justmeans.com/Will-health-care-reform-increase-emergency-room-overcrowding/21286.html
 
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Where do you get yours? Providing healthcare insurance for individuals isn't the role of the govt. as that is a personal responsibility. This is a job killer for the 80% of the small businesses in this country that create the jobs. You keep buying what the empty suit in the WH tells you and the question is why?
you insisted healthcare is available for all, and i showed you that it is not, other than for emergency services
so, your argument, being found wrong, has now moved to another matter ... wanting to know where i get my healthcare, as if that has anything to do with the issue, and then digressing further to express that healthcare kills jobs in the small business sector
you don't need to know about my healthcare, but yes, i do have it, including the preventive assistance that most without health insurance are without
the uneven distribution of healthcare is what hurts small business. the equitable distribution of healthcare would be to the small business sector's benefit. that is because at present, only well established businesses can afford to offer competitive healthcare coverage for their employees. that causes the smaller businesses to be unable to compete for the best talent
actually, Obama did not go far enough. he wasted his mandate and control of the congress when he failed to implement medicare to all citizens. he screwed up by wasting his mandate trying to appease the party of 'no'. as a result of that misguided attempt to work with republicans, we have a lesser version of public healthcare than we could have
 
justabubba;1059113864]you insisted healthcare is available for all, and i showed you that it is not, other than for emergency services
so, your argument, being found wrong, has now moved to another matter ... wanting to know where i get my healthcare, as if that has anything to do with the issue, and then digressing further to express that healthcare kills jobs in the small business sector

What you ignore is healthcare is an individual responsibility not a Govt. responsibility. You want to force your ideals on someone else. I provided healthcare insurance options for all my employees, I paid 80% of the cost of those premiums and never once paid minimum wage to my employees and in facts paid a lot more than the going hourly rate mandated by the govt. Most of the people were under 30 and invinceable so 50% purchased insurance. Was it my responsibility to force those others to buy insurance?

you don't need to know about my healthcare, but yes, i do have it, including the preventive assistance that most without health insurance are without
the uneven distribution of healthcare is what hurts small business. the equitable distribution of healthcare would be to the small business sector's benefit. that is because at present, only well established businesses can afford to offer competitive healthcare coverage for their employees. that causes the smaller businesses to be unable to compete for the best talent
actually, Obama did not go far enough. he wasted his mandate and control of the congress when he failed to implement medicare to all citizens. he screwed up by wasting his mandate trying to appease the party of 'no'. as a result of that misguided attempt to work with republicans, we have a lesser version of public healthcare than we could have

LOL, the party of "no" seems to be his own party. I don't know where you get your information but this country wasn't built on the principles that you believe in but was built on personal responsibility. For some reason you, like all liberals before you, have an arrogance that believes that regardless of the failures of liberals in the past you can do things better. A single payer system has been a disaster for Medicare and Medicaid yet for some reason you continue to buy the rhetoric that now things are different. Just because the individual gets some benefits doesn't make those benefits cost effective or even effective at all. The waste, fraud, abuse, as well as the dependence these programs create takes aways incentive and quality. Keep buying what this Administration tells you even though they have never been accurate on any prediction or projection.
 
Growing up, did anyone ever teach you personal responsibility? . . .

Being a Catholic, I taught my children both personal responsibility and being responsible to my fellow man and woman kind. Making sure the least of us have what is needed is not anti-responsibility. It's being a responsibile citizen and a good Christian.
 
Being a Catholic, I taught my children both personal responsibility and being responsible to my fellow man and woman kind. Making sure the least of us have what is needed is not anti-responsibility. It's being a responsibile citizen and a good Christian.

I am Catholic as well and always found that my giving to charities of my choice was always better than sending that money to D.C. to direct to someplace that they deemed necessary. You see, that is accepting personal responsibility where you delegate that authority to the govt. That is a cop out. Congratulations.
 
Hhmm…I wonder how polio research got rolling? If I recollect it was started in 1938 as the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, which I believe is the forerunner of the March of Dimes. Now who would be the poster boy/man in 1938 for POLIO? :confused:

…Man that’s a real stumper but I will take a wild guess that it would be that known socialist, (according to the winger noise machine) Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Yes fellow doobies, it was funded in 1938 by FDR, who at the age of 39 contracted the disease. :2wave:

So they had researchers finding a cure not family doctors. That is the point and the difference I was pointing out
 
Where do you get yours? Providing healthcare insurance for individuals isn't the role of the govt. as that is a personal responsibility. This is a job killer for the 80% of the small businesses in this country that create the jobs. You keep buying what the empty suit in the WH tells you and the question is why?

Drugstores now have nurse prsctioners on staff to help with flu shots and other prevetion things
 
Being a Catholic, I taught my children both personal responsibility and being responsible to my fellow man and woman kind. Making sure the least of us have what is needed is not anti-responsibility. It's being a responsibile citizen and a good Christian.

Poor can get medicaid As a catholic you must be prolife and against abortion
 
Poor can get medicaid As a catholic you must be prolife and against abortion

The very ppor, and the very wealthy, but many inbetween can't. And yes, I am prolife, though I prefer winning the argument over making laws. If we don't win the argument, people will just do less safe methods. Much like stopping smoking, I don't want smoking illegal, even though it is clearly harmful. I want abortion to go away as a method, and I want us to make it so it is no longer something anyone feels they need. If prolifers were so hateful so much of the time, I would clearly be on their side, because I think they are mostly right on the issue.
 
The very ppor, and the very wealthy, but many inbetween can't. And yes, I am prolife, though I prefer winning the argument over making laws. If we don't win the argument, people will just do less safe methods. Much like stopping smoking, I don't want smoking illegal, even though it is clearly harmful. I want abortion to go away as a method, and I want us to make it so it is no longer something anyone feels they need. If prolifers were so hateful so much of the time, I would clearly be on their side, because I think they are mostly right on the issue.

Not that they can't they don't want to spend the money. It is about priorities. I make less than $40,000 and have my own private healthcare policy. My company does not provide insurance. My insurance rate just increased 30%
 
Not that they can't they don't want to spend the money. It is about priorities. I make less than $40,000 and have my own private healthcare policy. My company does not provide insurance. My insurance rate just increased 30%

It is all about personal priorities and those who chose poorly expect someone else to pay for any bad decision. I had well over a thousand employees, offered full healthcare coverage for both full and part time employees and paid for 80% of the cost of coverage. Because the majority of the employees were under the age of 30, 50% opted not to participate in the program. I never paid minimum wage, always was generous with pay increases yet some people chose not to pay for any healthcare insurance at all. How about it, Boo, is personal choice only important when it comes to abortion?
 
Not that they can't they don't want to spend the money. It is about priorities. I make less than $40,000 and have my own private healthcare policy. My company does not provide insurance. My insurance rate just increased 30%

Yes, food or medicine, rent or insurance. yes, these are choices. You genralize too much. I'm sure some fit your critieria, but some do not. A good number have to make much harder choices than you sugegst.
 
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