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Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as gay

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I'll give you a hint Film guy. You are intolerant of anyone who is against gay marriage so you are no less a bigot than the people you are against. Way to go.

That makes no sense. Gay marriage is civil rights issue. We're respecting the constitution. You're conveniently ignoring it.

If I say the KKK are a bunch of bigots, am I being intolerant??

Think, text, then speak.

And absolutely his family need sympathy. He has been married to a woman, has kids with that woman and has now decided to abandon that commitment with an entire new sexual orientation.

Is that how it went down, do you have a link?? or are you just making **** up again.

How can that not be a betrayal of the most basic moral principles he has been behind the past decades of his marriage?

Are you really so far gone you can't see how humiliating this is for his children not to mention his wife?

You must have some inside information about this story that the rest of us don't.
 
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Why is it a problem for people if the guy turned out to be gay? :confused: It's his life, and is his sexuality relevant to the Bush campaign that happened years ago?
 
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This is true. But for the most part, Democrats aren't the ones trying to amend state Constitutions to ban gay marriage.

Funny thing is, if Republicans would just get over the whole gay thing, they'd probably attract a lot of gay voters due to their fiscal beliefs. But as long as they're in bed with the religious right, you aren't going to win over very many gays.

If you were to investigate the "Religious Left", a largely unexplored group, you mind find that their attitudes can be quite similar. Black Churches, for example, would be a good place to start.
 
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Why is it a problem for people if the guy turned out to be gay? :confused: It's his life, and is his sexuality relevant to the Bush campaign that happened years ago?

Because when he was with Bush, he was fighting against gay rights.
 
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Of course but that doesn't negate the fact many on the left use bigot to describe anyone who is against gay marriage.



I'm assuming you meant in depth. And name the question. If you agree to anaswer one of my own on the same issue.



LOL Just after you make a big deal that all lefties aren't the same you come right back with the bigoted lie.

I'll give you a hint Film guy. You are intolerant of anyone who is against gay marriage so you are no less a bigot than the people you are against. Way to go.

And absolutely his family need sympathy. He has been married to a woman, has kids with that woman and has now decided to abandon that commitment with an entire new sexual orientation.

How can that not be a betrayal of the most basic moral principles he has been behind the past decades of his marriage?

Are you really so far gone you can't see how humiliating this is for his children not to mention his wife?

Ha! Yes, I meant "in depth" not "in death" - that would be an entirely different conversation, wouldn't it?

I've honestly not read any story that mentions him having been married. In fact, I've read several articles on his coming out that specifically state that in covering his sexual orientation up, he was frequently called a "avowed bachelor". So, I'm not sure where you've found anywhere that suggests he was married and has children. Were that so, then it's a really well-kept secret. But I appreciate your concern for these imaginary people is surely appreciated by them.

But, let's say he did have a wife? How is what he did worse than what Newt Gingrich did in leaving a cancer-stricken wife? Or John McCain is leaving the wife who supported him during his recovery from the war? If you leave your wife for another woman, does that make you better than someone who leaves for another man?

Now, if I'm a bigot against those who don't support gay marriage, then you are equating politics to race, religion, ethnicity, national origin and gender. I'll say that I'm bigoted against those who vote to prevent same-sex couples from marrying, if you'll admit to being bigoted against Democrats and Obama-supporters. Personally, I don't think one can be a bigot against a political philosophy - because by nature, all political philosophies have an opposition. That would make every "bigoted" against someone else. If you'd like to call that bigotry, then go ahead.

But, by no means to I equate someone who is against gay marriage with, say, the guys who killed Matthew Shepard. And I don't equate them with the lunatic who is Fred Phelps.

However, the question I'm challenging those of you with is this (and this is the third time I've posted it, and have yet to find a response to it):

If you have two brothers, one straight and one gay - how would you explain to your gay brother that you value your other brothers relationship more? What if your gay brother and his partner have an adopted child? Finally, how would you expect your brother to respond to you when you tell him that you value his relationship less?
 
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Why is it a problem for people if the guy turned out to be gay? :confused: It's his life, and is his sexuality relevant to the Bush campaign that happened years ago?

Because he was specifically in charge of a campaign across the nation to ban gay marriage. And now, instead of fighting it then - before all these constitutions certified people's beliefs that gays are second-class citizens unworthy of the rights of straight people - he's claiming to be a fighter for same-sex marriage.

Well, good on him for the change of heart - but I hope he makes himself live in a state where the damage was done to freedom and equality while he fights to change the damage that he is partially responsible for. He should have to live in Tennessee, where his marriage would go unrecognized and without equal benefits and responsibilities while he tries to get people to change their minds instead of living in the Chelsea neighborhood of New York where he can live like an equal to his neighbors.
 
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Because when he was with Bush, he was fighting against gay rights.

Do you have some support of this claim, BDBoop? Not that i disbelieve you but I like to see support for these sort of statements.
 
Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

Because he was specifically in charge of a campaign across the nation to ban gay marriage. And now, instead of fighting it then - before all these constitutions certified people's beliefs that gays are second-class citizens unworthy of the rights of straight people - he's claiming to be a fighter for same-sex marriage.

Well, good on him for the change of heart - but I hope he makes himself live in a state where the damage was done to freedom and equality while he fights to change the damage that he is partially responsible for. He should have to live in Tennessee, where his marriage would go unrecognized and without equal benefits and responsibilities while he tries to get people to change their minds instead of living in the Chelsea neighborhood of New York where he can live like an equal to his neighbors.

If this was his job then he was doing his job, though he might have resigned as a point of honor. The money, connections, and access to power may have been difficult to turn away from though.

Many would have done the same in his position. Money, power, and all its trappings, can hypnotize the best of us.
 
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Do you have some support of this claim, BDBoop? Not that i disbelieve you but I like to see support for these sort of statements.

It's in the article referenced in the original post.
 
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That makes no sense. Gay marriage is civil rights issue. We're respecting the constitution. You're conveniently ignoring it.

Wow. Can you fit any more lies in a few sentences?

#1 Gay marriage has nothing to do with civil rights. Civil rights are based on race and gender. Never has your side proved homosexuality is gentic as gender and race are.

#2 You are spitting on the Constutiion trying to reintrepet a decesion based on race and extend it to sexual preference. Thats what ammendments are for. You could care less about the Constitution Hazlnut

#3 Of course it makes sense. You really need to learn what the word "bigot" means

big·ot (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


bigot - definition of bigot by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Definition of BIGOT
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

If I say the KKK are a bunch of bigots, am I being intolerant??

By defintion you absolutley do. You really need to learn not to argue on your emotions

Think, text, then speak.

LOL At least I know what the words I use mean. Clearly you do not.

Is that how it went down, do you have a link?? or are you just making **** up again.

LOL!! Hazlnut, do you ever EVER reserach before typing?

Is he married? yes

Does he have children? yes

Has he been living the life of a heterosexual in the eyes of his family? yes

Now, exactly what am I making up?

You must have some inside information about this story that the rest of us don't.

Its called basic reasoning. You should try it. Tell me, how could a family not be humiliated by a father and husband abondoning his wife whom he has been married for over a decade, break his marital bounds and persue a homosexual lifestyle? How can the children not be embarassed and hurt by that?

Explain yourself.
 
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Is he married? yes

Does he have children? yes

Has he been living the life of a heterosexual in the eyes of his family? yes

Can I get a link to these assertions?
 
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Its called basic reasoning. You should try it. Tell me, how could a family not be humiliated by a father and husband abondoning his wife whom he has been married for over a decade, break his marital bounds and persue a homosexual lifestyle? How can the children not be embarassed and hurt by that?

Explain yourself.

They'll get over it. My mom's best friend's husband was gay, but since gays are <insert fundie hate speech here>, he got married and had three children. Everybody knew he was gay, but hey! he fought the good fight, wife and kids survived, etc.

Life goes on.
 
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Is he married? yes

Does he have children? yes

Has he been living the life of a heterosexual in the eyes of his family? yes

Now, exactly what am I making up?

Tex, look - you're really making yourself look like an ass here.

Mehlman, who has never married, long found his sexuality subject to rumor and innuendo. He was the subject of an outing campaign by gay rights activist Mike Rogers, starting when Mehlman was Bush's campaign manager.

This is directly from this: Bush Campaign Chief and Former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman: I'm Gay - Politics - The Atlantic

The article in which he officially came out. The bolding is my part, of course.

And I'll note: still, none of you have answered my question.
 
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Re: Bush-Cheney campaign manager, ex-chairman of Republican Party set to come out as

This is directly from this: Bush Campaign Chief and Former RNC Chair Ken Mehlman: I'm Gay - Politics - The Atlantic


The article in which he officially came out. The bolding is my part, of course.

And I'll note: still, none of you have answered my question.



BooYAH!! Thank you so much! I looked and looked. I tried his name with "married", "wife", "ex-wife", "family" - nada.
 
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BooYAH!! Thank you so much! I looked and looked. I tried his name with "married", "wife", "ex-wife", "family" - nada.

And let's note that Tex isn't back (although maybe he's done for the day, perhaps) hasn't been back to acknowledge his faux pas. Nor has a single one of the anit-gay marriage folks answered my challenge question to them.
 
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And let's note that Tex isn't back (although maybe he's done for the day, perhaps) hasn't been back to acknowledge his faux pas. Nor has a single one of the anit-gay marriage folks answered my challenge question to them.

surely you dont expect an answer? lol. good luck.
 
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Thanks, I suppose - but what I would have preferred is that you used empathy to simply try to understand the argument from another point of view.

You say you feel frustrated by this argument; but I'm trying to get you to imagine living a life where you're told that you're relationship isn't worth the same.

If you had two brothers - one straight, one gay - how would you tell your gay brother that you value his relationship less than your straight brother's? And how would you imagine he would take that? Could you imagine trying to hear that from someone?

I dont need your silly bull**** examples designed to try and pull on heart strings. I would deal with them the way I deal with my sisters in law...all of them...one of which happens to be in a committed lesbian relationship (and one who happens to be in a heterosexual relationship with an asshole) or any of my associates. I love them. Care about them. But I believe the act is wrong. Devalue their relationship? Of course not...but then...its not my place or society's place to assign value. Value comes from inside. It doesnt MATTER to them nor should it that 'I' disagree with it. And frankly...if they disagree with that or have a problem with respecting MY position that is THEIR problem and I wont allow it to impact how 'I' choose to treat them. Keep your hypotheticals.
 
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I dont need your silly bull**** examples designed to try and pull on heart strings. I would deal with them the way I deal with my sisters in law...all of them...one of which happens to be in a committed lesbian relationship (and one who happens to be in a heterosexual relationship with an asshole) or any of my associates. I love them. Care about them. But I believe the act is wrong. Devalue their relationship? Of course not...but then...its not my place or society's place to assign value. Value comes from inside. It doesnt MATTER to them nor should it that 'I' disagree with it. And frankly...if they disagree with that or have a problem with respecting MY position that is THEIR problem and I wont allow it to impact how 'I' choose to treat them. Keep your hypotheticals.

So you don't believe that society telling your sister and her partner that their relationship is less than yours is bigoted?

Because, I'm sorry, I think it is.
 
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#1 Gay marriage has nothing to do with civil rights. Civil rights are based on race and gender. Never has your side proved homosexuality is gentic as gender and race are.

Gay marriage has nothing to do with civil rights? BS. Civil rights are about protecting individual liberty. Courts have ruled time and time again that sexual orientation cannot be used as grounds for discrimination. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but dismissing it based on a religious belief is plainly un-American. We don't base our laws on faith. We base our laws on logic. And logic tells us that even if we cannot pinpoint how or why an individual is gay, that individual is powerless to alter their preferences.
 
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So you don't believe that society telling your sister and her partner that their relationship is less than yours is bigoted?

Because, I'm sorry, I think it is.

No...and obviously we disagree on this.
 
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No...and obviously we disagree on this.

Then I feel for your sister and her partner. I would hate it if I thought I had a sibling who didn't defend me in the face of discrimination.
 
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No...and obviously we disagree on this.

Because I too have a sister who is in a long-term relationship, and we have discussed how I REALLY feel about it, I know that she would be hurt if I did not wholeheartedly accept her, her partner, and their relationship as just as valid as mine was (they are still together, we are not) with my husband.
 
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Then I feel for your sister and her partner. I would hate it if I thought I had a sibling who didn't defend me in the face of discrimination.

I would hate it if my morals and values were dictated just because it made someone else feeeeeeeel bad.
 
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Because I too have a sister who is in a long-term relationship, and we have discussed how I REALLY feel about it, I know that she would be hurt if I did not wholeheartedly accept her, her partner, and their relationship as just as valid as mine was (they are still together, we are not) with my husband.

And? Seriously...your point is? I dont disrespect your opinion that you think homosexuality is wonderful and desirable and something you want for your children.
 
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