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Dems Depressed and Disheartened

Id opt for a hunger strike...or forage for something different.

Believe me...i get it. I also get the 3rd party vote isnt a great option. Thats why I applaud the Tea Party groups...hell I was even a fan of the green party...at least they actually STOOD for something.

I just get very frustrated with the party ideologues that cant see beyond the D or R. Thats the kind of mentality that has brought us to verge of economic collapse. And frankly...sometimes thats not a bad idea. You should see some of the new growth in a forrest following a fire.

All you can do is vote out the incumbent... oh wait, that's what is happening. :mrgreen:
 
Whereas Bush...according to the liberals NOT the brightest bulb in the chandelier...apprently OWNED the democrats and did whatever he wanted with no democrat support even though they had far less 'control'...So...what does that say both about the past AND current crop of clowns in the democrat party?

Didn't Bush have a majority in Congress and the Senate for most of his Presidency?
 
Didn't Bush have a majority in Congress and the Senate for most of his Presidency?

a 1 or 2 vote majority for 6 years (if you call having certain RINOs as part of his majority). But now with a 10 vote majority the democrats cant accomplish what Bush did? So...you are saying Bush wasn't that smart...its THIS current cash crop of assclowns that are that stupid? That the democrats are even MORE stupid and incompetent than Bush was? thats not really a strong selling point there...
 
Didn't Bush have a majority in Congress and the Senate for most of his Presidency?

Besides, the Democrats did consistently support Bush on some issues, particularly relating to the War on Terror. They did eventually develop their own modus operandi in opposition to Bush, but they couldn't really go anywhere with it.

If there anything that's depressing me, its how arbitary and impressionable the general public is proving.

a 1 or 2 vote majority for 6 years (if you call having certain RINOs as part of his majority). But now with a 10 vote majority the democrats cant accomplish what Bush did? So...you are saying Bush wasn't that smart...its THIS current cash crop of assclowns that are that stupid? That the democrats are even MORE stupid and incompetent than Bush was? thats not really a strong selling point there...

Are you arguing that the Republican Party has less voting solidarity than the Democratic Party, and that Bush had to have been a mastermind to get them to concur on the issues?

That's not an accurate belief. The Republican Party has much greater voting solidarity than the Democratic Party.
 
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a 1 or 2 vote majority for 6 years (if you call having certain RINOs as part of his majority). But now with a 10 vote majority the democrats cant accomplish what Bush did? So...you are saying Bush wasn't that smart...its THIS current cash crop of assclowns that are that stupid? That the democrats are even MORE stupid and incompetent than Bush was? thats not really a strong selling point there...

Conservatives tend to be more homogenous than liberals, which tend to have a more fractured party. This may be changing with the tea party though.
 
Dems Depressed and Disheartened - Swampland - TIME.com

I think the author is right. President Obama has accomplished a great deal, but because he's not out there holding victory dances, we don't know the half of what he's accomplished.

Obama has accomplished nothing.

His only powers are... Commander In Chief, Bully pulpit, vetos, signing bills, and pardons... Congress is the real mover and shaker...

ricksfolly
 
Conservatives tend to be more homogenous than liberals, which tend to have a more fractured party. This may be changing with the tea party though.

Or it could be that the things they were trying to pass were not acceptable to a fair amount of democrats. WHo knows...maybe some on the left side of the aisle actually bothered to read the legislation before they just gave it their blanket approval and decided it was not good legislation.
 
Or it could be that the things they were trying to pass were not acceptable to a fair amount of democrats. WHo knows...maybe some on the left side of the aisle actually bothered to read the legislation before they just gave it their blanket approval and decided it was not good legislation.

I think you would be surprised.
 
Or it could be that the things they were trying to pass were not acceptable to a fair amount of democrats.

I think that would be two ways of saying the same thing. Democrats tend to have more conservative leaners (blue dogs), than Republicans have liberal leaners (the gals from new england). (each from their own perspective of course, someone like Blanche is not nearly as liberal as your average democrat, vise versa for blue dogs)

WHo knows...maybe some on the left side of the aisle actually bothered to read the legislation before they just gave it their blanket approval and decided it was not good legislation.

Why would someone give their blanket approval and decide it was not good? That makes no sense.
 
Yeah... that health care bill was so good some had to be bribed to vote for it.

The motives of political actors tend to be more complex than the general republic feels compelled to reason out, so they tend to conflate the perplexities of the issues into simpler, more manageable terms, according to their individual or collective ideological preferences.
 
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Or it could be that the things they were trying to pass were not acceptable to a fair amount of democrats. WHo knows...maybe some on the left side of the aisle actually bothered to read the legislation before they just gave it their blanket approval and decided it was not good legislation.

Good... Now if the Reps would also read the legislation before they vote no, maybe the Dems would get more things done.

ricksfolly
 
I think that would be two ways of saying the same thing. Democrats tend to have more conservative leaners (blue dogs), than Republicans have liberal leaners (the gals from new england). (each from their own perspective of course, someone like Blanche is not nearly as liberal as your average democrat, vise versa for blue dogs)
Why would someone give their blanket approval and decide it was not good? That makes no sense.
I dont know...how many democrats voted FOR this even though they said for one reason or another they didnt like it?
 
Good... Now if the Reps would also read the legislation before they vote no, maybe the Dems would get more things done.

ricksfolly

How many times do I have to point out the fact that dems and reps are both party whores and both need replacing before it finally becomes clear that I am equally disgusted by both? This thread diversion STARTED with me telling Crunch I was more excited about the prospect of a rep majority than a dem.
 
How many times do I have to point out the fact that dems and reps are both party whores and both need replacing before it finally becomes clear that I am equally disgusted by both? This thread diversion STARTED with me telling Crunch I was more excited about the prospect of a rep majority than a dem.

Dammit...

NO MORE excited about the prospect of a rep majority than a dem. What a difference a two letter word makes...:3oops:
 
I dont know...how many democrats voted FOR this even though they said for one reason or another they didnt like it?

I am not sure what you are referring to.
 
I dont know...how many democrats voted FOR this even though they said for one reason or another they didnt like it?

Splinter groups always seem to realign with their party when their votes are really needed, both parties. Who knows what kind of persuasion goes on behind closed doors.

ricksfolly
 
Splinter groups always seem to realign with their party when their votes are really needed, both parties. Who knows what kind of persuasion goes on behind closed doors.

ricksfolly

What do you mean "Who knows what kind of persuasion goes on behind closed doors"..... where have you been for the last year?

Sen. Ben Nelson's hardly the only lawmaker extracting sweetheart deals out of the health care reform bill.

While the Nebraska Democrat got a particularly juicy concession in exchange for a "yes" vote on the 10-year, $871 billion package -- permanent and full federal aid for his state's expanded Medicaid population -- support from a slew of other senators likewise came with a price.

Western states got more money for hospitals that serve Medicare patients. Louisiana got up to $300 million in Medicaid benefits. The list goes on.

Senate Republicans lined up Saturday to decry the latest deal targeted toward Nebraska, which was decried as the "cornhusker kickback."

"Votes have been bought," Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said.

FOXNews.com - The Price Is Right? Payoffs for Senators Typical in Health Care Bill

Oh wait..... that was FOX News, and everyone knows FOX News is biased.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger savaged congressional plans for health reform in his 2010 State of the State address on Wednesday, calling the legislation "health care to nowhere" that's infected with "bribes, deals and loopholes."

Arnold Schwarzenegger: 'Bribes' infect health reform - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com
 
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