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Just in case you didn't hear it, here is the full "Dr" Laura racist audio

liblady said:
"her people" are fellow americans, not exotic. maybe you guys are right....maybe the n word was being thrown around out of curiousity.
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"her people" are black. Just as I am white and was a novelty because of that. Yes, I was DOUBLY a novelty because of my nationality, but what really made me a curiosity was the fact that I was white. They had little interaction with white people.

EDIT: You want to know another time that I was a novelty? When I worked in a predominantly black bar. Right here in the good ole USA. 99% of the time I was the only white person in there.


Perhaps her husband's family had little interaction with black people.

As for 'nigger', she never gave the context in which it was used. Perhaps they were saying the same things Dr. Laura was... as in, why is it okay for a black person to say nigger, but not a white person? Why are some black people so racist about the use of a certain word? Who knows? She didn't give context.
 
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Since my points will be lost, I will just give a rhetorical question, I wonder what would have happened had a white woman called into a show ran by a black woman and a similar situation happened. I wonder what you guys would be saying then....
 
JohnWOlin said:
Since my points will be lost, I will just give a rhetorical question, I wonder what would have happened had a white woman called into a show ran by a black woman and a similar situation happened. I wonder what you guys would be saying then....
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Well a safe bet, for a betting man, would be that you wouldn't start a thread whining about it. :pimpdaddy:
 
JohnWOlin said:
Since my points will be lost, I will just give a rhetorical question, I wonder what would have happened had a white woman called into a show ran by a black woman and a similar situation happened. I wonder what you guys would be saying then....
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"Right on, sistah!"
 
JohnWOlin said:
Since my points will be lost, I will just give a rhetorical question, I wonder what would have happened had a white woman called into a show ran by a black woman and a similar situation happened. I wonder what you guys would be saying then....
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Irrelevant. You can throw hypotheticals out all you want but those hypotheticals aren't what happened.

This is nothing more than a combination of red herring and ad hom, trying to deflect from the real issue with your hypothetical meant to vilify our hypothetical responses before we even get to give them.

Not gonna fly here, buddy.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Since my points will be lost, I will just give a rhetorical question, I wonder what would have happened had a white woman called into a show ran by a black woman and a similar situation happened. I wonder what you guys would be saying then....
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The same thing. You see, most of us on the "she wasn't being racist" side aren't hypocrits. We actually feel the same way REGARDLESS of race.

However, I'd defy you to find a word that all the white people in the US would get pissed about hearing a black person say.
 
liblady said:
yeah...but did her friends call you a wop or a dago?
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Her friends? They're the country club set. They don't talk that way in public (but I bet they say that stuff behind closed doors :lol: ). But I've been called a dago plenty of times, though mostly I've been called a JAP. FWIW, the caller never said anyone called her a N****; they just asked what black people thought about stuff.


(Your post didn't offend, so we're all set :) )
 
Like I said it was a rhetorical question. I already gave my points, and I got the predictable brush-off answers.

My bigger question through all of this, not even what either lady said is why she -really- quit doing her show. Glenn Beck for example said some stuff that made half of his advertisers quit working with him for a time, but eventually they came back, or he got new advertisers and his ratings actually went up. What is this ladies end game other than making herself out to be the victim?
 
StandUpChuck said:
Her friends? They're the country club set. They don't talk that way in public (but I bet they say that stuff behind closed doors :lol: ). But I've been called a dago plenty of times, though mostly I've been called a JAP. FWIW, the caller never said anyone called her a N****; they just asked what black people thought about stuff.


(Your post didn't offend, so we're all set :) )
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good......but what does it say about his friends that they feel free to use the word? i think it says no respect, period.
 
liblady said:
good......but what does it say about his friends that they feel free to use the word? i think it says no respect, period.
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Exactly. And besides, everybody has a place where you just don't go. If they are your friends, you respect that. If not, then you have no business being their friend.

The husband's friends are just taking their cues (or liberties) from the husband, so if the husband can't respect his wife's concerns and stand up for her, he's a terrible husband. That's at best. At worst, he may simply be enough of a douchebag that he tosses around (and believes) the phrase "bros before hos," in which case the wife has a much bigger problem.
 
liblady said:
good......but what does it say about his friends that they feel free to use the word? i think it says no respect, period.
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Only if they're aware that uttering those syllables bothers her for some reason.
 
liblady said:
the assumption would be that most people are offended by that use.
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Why in the world would someone assume that any particular person is offended by the use of a single word in any context?
 
rivrrat said:
Why in the world would someone assume that any particular person is offended by the use of a single word in any context?
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Why would anybody be offended by any words in any context? Because they have a direct correlation to that person's context or past. The caller in this incident is in a situation where that applies, just as I have seen you break down when someone pushed your buttons, and on an anonymous forum, no less, which is a whole lot less than one's own home with her husband's friends.
 
Cardinal said:
Why would anybody be offended by any words in any context? Because they have a direct correlation to that person's context or past.
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Really? So how the **** is any one person supposed to know how any one word might or might not have any kind of correlation to a particular person's context or past? Mind reading?

The caller in this incident is in a situation where that applies, just as I have seen you break down when someone pushed your buttons, and on an anonymous forum, no less, which is a whole lot less than one's own home with her husband's friends.
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WTF are you talking about?
 
Cardinal said:
Exactly. And besides, everybody has a place where you just don't go. If they are your friends, you respect that. If not, then you have no business being their friend.

The husband's friends are just taking their cues (or liberties) from the husband, so if the husband can't respect his wife's concerns and stand up for her, he's a terrible husband. That's at best. At worst, he may simply be enough of a douchebag that he tosses around (and believes) the phrase "bros before hos," in which case the wife has a much bigger problem.
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agreed. what i posted to jallman.
 
liblady said:
good......but what does it say about his friends that they feel free to use the word? i think it says no respect, period.
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It says maybe they've been watching too much BET?

I dunno, Liblady. I think if the black population wants people to stop using the n word, they should stop using it themselves. That was Dr L's point. If I went around to my Italian family/friends saying, "Yo Ginny!" or "Wassup Wop?" I would imagine those words wouldn't retire anytime soon. I just don't hear that in the Italian culture. Heaven forbid anyone bring up the M word. Everyone just scatters. :lol:
 
rivrrat said:
Really? So how the **** is any one person supposed to know how any one word might or might not have any kind of correlation to a particular person's context or past? Mind reading?
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I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that. While some people may have been arguing that using the word at all is bad (which I would largely agree with but is still irrelevant to my point), what started the thread at all is a caller asking how to deal with her husband's friends who were making racial jokes/references that made her uncomfortable. The "she's being whiny and hypersensitive" has a been a predominant position in this thread. She wasn't asking that people magically read her mind.

rivrrat said:
WTF are you talking about?
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I have zero interest in opening old scabs. If you don't believe that there are words/references that can hurt you, then there's no point in discussing this further.
 
StandUpChuck said:
It says maybe they've been watching too much BET?

I dunno, Liblady. I think if the black population wants people to stop using the n word, they should stop using it themselves. That was Dr L's point. If I went around to my Italian family/friends saying, "Yo Ginny!" or "Wassup Wop?" I would imagine those words wouldn't retire anytime soon. I just don't hear that in the Italian culture. Heaven forbid anyone bring up the M word. Everyone just scatters. :lol:
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agree completely. but two wrongs........and for me, it's just plain rude. it's almost like a person saying "i'm fat"........i wouldn't say to them, "god, you're fat"......
 
Cardinal said:
Exactly. And besides, everybody has a place where you just don't go. If they are your friends, you respect that. If not, then you have no business being their friend.

The husband's friends are just taking their cues (or liberties) from the husband, so if the husband can't respect his wife's concerns and stand up for her, he's a terrible husband. That's at best. At worst, he may simply be enough of a douchebag that he tosses around (and believes) the phrase "bros before hos," in which case the wife has a much bigger problem.
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Well I am glad you are empathic enough to understand all that from a single interaction on a radio show lasting about 3 minutes without hearing anything at all from the other side of the conflict.

As for me, I will just maintain that I am a poor human muggle without such illustrious mind-reading powers, Dumbledore.
 
Cardinal said:
I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at that. While some people may have been arguing that using the word at all is bad (which I would largely agree with but is still irrelevant to my point), what started the thread at all is a caller asking how to deal with her husband's friends who were making racial jokes/references that made her uncomfortable. The "she's being whiny and hypersensitive" has a been a predominant position in this thread. She wasn't asking that people magically read her mind.
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She was being hypersensitive, at least based on what SHE said of the situation.
 
rivrrat said:
She was being hypersensitive, at least based on what SHE said of the situation.
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You mean that if you were in her situation you would consider that to be hypersensitive.
 
Cardinal said:
You mean that if you were in her situation you would consider that to be hypersensitive.
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No, I think what she said was "she was being hypersensitive, at least based on what SHE said of the situation."

See those underlines and caps to imply emphasis...they trump your little magic 8 ball, Gandalf.
 
Cardinal said:
You mean that if you were in her situation you would consider that to be hypersensitive.
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No, I mean based on what SHE said of the situation, she was being hypersensitive. Her account of the situation gave no indication that anything untoward or horrible was said to her. Merely that they asked her questions about black people. Shocker.

If that's all it takes for her to get her panties in a bunch, then yeah... she's hypersensitive.
 
rivrrat said:
No, I mean based on what SHE said of the situation, she was being hypersensitive. Her account of the situation gave no indication that anything untoward or horrible was said to her. Merely that they asked her questions about black people. Shocker.

If that's all it takes for her to get her panties in a bunch, then yeah... she's hypersensitive.
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What do you think her own reasons might be for feeling uncomfortable in that situation?
 
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