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The 911 Hard Hat Pledge



Are you New Yorkers ready to hear it?
 
New Yorkers have been hearing the Adhan long before this. Why is this a problem?

Its not a problem.
I actually learned to like it a little while I was in Iraq for a year....
I was just poking the coals of this fire that is the hatred of muslims by armchair heroes here in the states.
 
Again, I don't judge all adherents to an entire religion based on a few extremists who call themselves part of said religion. The events of Srebrenica and the events of 9/11 are completely and totally separate from the building of some house of worship.

Except that they're not completely separate, the religion played a huge roll in the ideological motives of those who perpetrated the respective massacres.

So, any time a church or other house of mythology worship, or any building, house, etc tries to get the permits to build, we question their motives? That's part of the process of building something? Is there a government form for the "motives" or is it just verbal exchange?

No only when they try to place at or near a place where their co-religionists or fellow members of that organization perpetrated a mass murder. How about a Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?
 
Except that they're not completely separate, the religion played a huge roll in the ideological motives of those who perpetrated the respective massacres.
Yes, they are completely separate. Just because the perpetrators happened to call themselves adherents to the same religion is no reason to punish an entirely different group of people. It's ridiculous and goes against everything this country stands for.


No only when they try to place at or near a place where their co-religionists or fellow members of that organization perpetrated a mass murder. How about a Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?
What does that have to do with churches?
 
It sounds like anti-liberty to me.

How do you figure? Workers have a right to offer their services or WITHHOLD their services as they please. That is liberty. Forcing them to work on a project that they wish not to, that is anti-liberty.
 
Good ol' filmfest guy. There you go throwing the facts in to the argument ruining everything.:lamo

#1 is nothing more than childish play, #2 is not a fact, nor is #3. Go learn what a fact actually is, and then go learn the context of the debate.
 
Don't care about the mosque other than to say the imam has every right to be an asshole. that said, let me correct some of your bloviating.



So many people taking so much joy in disallowing American citizens from enacting their protected civil rights.

#1 - It's 2 blocks from Ground Zero - so it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque".

Front wheel went through this building and remains apparently have been found there. Technically, this makes it part of "ground zero"


#2 - It's an Islamic Community Center that include - along with prayer space - a basketball court, a theater, and is open to the entire public. Thus, it is not only NOT a "Ground Zero Mosque" because it's not at Ground Zero, it's also not even a Mosque - no more than St. Mary's Hospital is a Church because it has a chapel in it.

It is indeed a mosque, that has these other things. The idea that it is not a mosque because it has b-ball is absurd.


#3 - This is a yet another instance of Conservatives (and wimpy a-holes like Harry Reid) reveling in the restriction of someone's rights. Gotta take away the rights of gays in California to marry; gotta prevent Muslims from building a Community Center; gotta take citizenship rights away from immigrants.


Hyper partisan hackism on your part. Its left right, and center who have voiced opposition to the mosque. Please check your mouth foaming at the door.


The only threat to freedom I see comes from the likes of Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and their supporters.


Really, none from the tyrant bloomberg? None at all?

None from the fat, smoking, health care police? Really? Just those three? Hack much?


If you are against this, then you are in favor of any group preventing the construction of any building on private land anywhere simply because they might take offense to it. Go ahead. Open that can of worms.


Your strawman is quite nice... :thumbs:


It will very likely get built and there will be people who will build it - in a down economy (especially for construction workers), intelligent beings will take the money.


And there will be people who choose not to build it. That's thier right to do so. :shrug:
 
Where?


I've never heard one. :shrug:
There are plenty of mosques in New York. Not all of them do the Adhan outside, but keep your ears open, you'll hear it.

I hate noise, when I don't want to hear noise.
Then...dont listen? I dont really know what to tell you.
 
As a licensed plumber I took the pledge. They couldn't pay me enough to work on there victory mosque.
I see you also took a glass of dark-red kook aide from the fringe right. How'd it taste?

And don't you mean THEIR Cultural Center?
 
There are plenty of mosques in New York. Not all of them do the Adhan outside, but keep your ears open, you'll hear it.


Uhm, I grew up in NYC, am in the city almost daily, and have never heard one. Perhaps you can link me to what I am missing in my own home stomping grounds mr. california. :shrug:


Then...dont listen? I dont really know what to tell you.


How can I not listen to what is not done?
 
I'd just like to add that all these prejudiced plumbers and electricians who are refusing to take on mosque-construction contracts are just freeing up desperately needed jobs for non-prejudiced plumbers and electricians.

I'm sure that isn't their intention: they just want to hurt Moslems for making their SUVs so expensive to drive.

But this is nonetheless the long-term effect: more jobs for the less hateful.
 
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I'd just like to add that all these prejudiced plumbers and electricians who are refusing to take on mosque-construction contracts are just freeing up desperately needed jobs for non-prejudiced plumbers and electricians.

I'm sure that isn't their intention: they just want to hurt Moslems for making their SUVs so expensive to drive.

But this is nonetheless the long-term effect: more jobs for the less hateful.



Uhm this is NYC, most of them don't own cars. And it has more to do with not helping an asshole be an asshole than it does with your percieved notion of predjudice. :shrug:

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Moderator's Warning:
Keep it civil. Enough with the baiting.
 
Be real it's a Mega-Mosque, it is the exact Islamic equivalent to an Evangelical Mega-Church.

It's a cultural center.

And if you think they're the same, you've never been to a Mega-Church.

Imagine yourself trapped in a multi-media nightmare auditorium with 6000 sheep, crying and sniffling, singing to twisted funk-rock versions of real hymns, while a "pastor" with little or no religious training whatsoever preaches to you about homosexuality, all the while he's dreaming about a hotel room nearby, some poppers, and a stud named Chad. Welcome Mega-Church America!! The most un-Christian version of christianity.

Don't forget to pony up some money, because they know how much you make and you can't get saved unless your poor.
 
It's a cultural center.

And if you think they're the same, you've never been to a Mega-Church.

Imagine yourself trapped in a multi-media nightmare auditorium with 6000 sheep, crying and sniffling, singing to twisted funk-rock versions of real hymns, while a "pastor" with little or no religious training whatsoever preaches to you about homosexuality, all the while he's dreaming about a hotel room nearby, some poppers, and a stud named Chad. Welcome Mega-Church America!! The most un-Christian version of christianity.

Don't forget to pony up some money, because they know how much you make and you can't get saved unless your poor.

LOL U mad bro?
 
So many people taking so much joy in disallowing American citizens from enacting their protected civil rights.

#1 - It's 2 blocks from Ground Zero - so it's not a "Ground Zero Mosque".

pieces of the building and plane actually crashed through this building. it's definitely part of the place of the 9/11 attacks.

#2 - It's an Islamic Community Center that include - along with prayer space - a basketball court, a theater, and is open to the entire public. Thus, it is not only NOT a "Ground Zero Mosque" because it's not at Ground Zero, it's also not even a Mosque - no more than St. Mary's Hospital is a Church because it has a chapel in it.

it is a mosque and it is intended as a mosque - a 'victory' mosque, in fact. you may want to do some reading on the history of this initiatives' name. it is intended not to be any kind of 'open door' or 'bridge' to the rest of America; were that their intention they would have been willing to build somewhere else where they wouldn't provoke a backlash.

#3 - This is a yet another instance of Conservatives (and wimpy a-holes like Harry Reid) reveling in the restriction of someone's rights.

i would love to see your instances of such individuals calling for the government to restrict these people's rights?

The only threat to freedom I see comes from the likes of Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and their supporters.

which is what? they insist on having the right to verbally attack your actions if they find them reprehensible? :shock: the horror!!!

If you are against this, then you are in favor of any group preventing the construction of any building on private land anywhere simply because they might take offense to it. Go ahead. Open that can of worms.

no, i'm in favor of free trade, which involves two free parties, the buyer and the seller. if nobody wants to sell their labor to the Cordoba initiative, then i find that an elegant solution to this 'can of worms'

It will very likely get built and there will be people who will build it - in a down economy (especially for construction workers), intelligent beings will take the money.

perhaps so. we shall see. certainly it will have the opposite result of that which is claimed as it's intents.
 
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