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...it is clear that Islam is not protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution...

The U.S. Supreme Court has made no such ruling. Neither has a constitutional amendment been adopted and ratified toward that end. Unless that happens, Islam enjoys the same First Amendment protections as any other religion. Needless to say, nothing in the Constitution prohibits the prosecution of individuals/organizations that are involved in criminal activities, providing material support to terrorists, etc.
 
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You just blew it, James. You are now going to be targeted by a few here as a fake Conservative. LOL. That's OK, though. I know you are the real deal. :)

i always thought james was the real deal. he's consistent.
 
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From the UK I have to say that this looks alot like a storm in a teacup

It's two blocks from 9-11. It's a private building. It's a multicultural city.

What's the big problem here?

UK Politics Forum
 
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As I previously explained, go back and read my post, Islam is not a religion alone as it is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks to dominate the world as its main goal. Hence, when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world domination via the imposition of Sharia, then it is clear that Islam is not protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution, as I’m sorry but the constitution isn’t a suicide pact.

Well many people disagree with you and consider it a religion. And in my eyes it is a religion, but what is it important is that until the U.S. Supreme Court says otherwise it will remain a religion in the eyes of the law.

Really, where did I “think” that (as if you can read my mind) or in any way insinuate that nonsense? Are you hallucinating?

I left out a few words when I wrote it. But even Sharia Law makes its way here to the U.S. it will not hold any water because it goes against our constitution, so I am not worried about it.
 
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You can document the bolded part?

You obviously don’t know what Islam is and naively assume it is like other faith-based religions. Not surprising. However, in stark contrast to faith-based religions, Islam unique in the world is a religion of submission where the freedom of conscience is forbidden under the pain of death and whereby all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia.

For instance, as an adherent of a faith-based religion I can freely pick and choose what it is I will believe and what it is I will reject, and I can even freely choose to leave the religion if I so desire. However, if I were a Muslim, on the other hand, I have no choice in the matter since in effect I’m a slave of Allah. Hence, if I so much as question the tenets of Islam that would be construed as blasphemy, and blasphemy is a serious offense in Islam that is punished under the pain of death. Furthermore, as a Muslim I wouldn’t be able to freely leave the religion of Islam if I so desired, as murtaad (apostasy) is a serious offense under Islam that is likewise punished under the pain of death.

In Islam, you are either a Muslim, i.e., a slave of Allah, or otherwise you are the infidel, and, of course, if you are the latter then you must be killed.

But religion isn’t all that Islam is. Since with Islam you also get Sharia, as Sharia is intrinsic to Islam, Islam is a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination as its main goal. Indeed, Sharia institutionalizes systematic persecution and often violent oppression of females and non-Muslims and incorporates draconian punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, and amputations, while forbidding the freedom of conscience, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of religion, at the same time it also mandates death to apostates. In addition, Sharia commands all Muslims to wage offensive jihad for the spread of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, and this mandate to wage jihad for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam. Hence, if you take Islam in totality for what it really is, far more than just being a religion alone Islam in fact is a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world subjugation via the imposition of Sharia.

Therefore, because the obligation to wage jihad in the cause of Allah for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam, all devout Muslims that are capable must adhere to that pillar. However, as I previously stated in previous posts, jihad can be both violent and non-violent, stealth, and deceptive, which means it can be as non-violent as just giving zakat or as violent as being a suicide/homicide bomber.

Finally, the vast overwhelming amount of jihad that takes place in the world today takes place for the most part behind the scenes via non-violent, stealth and deceptive means, and for a good example of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad in action, let’s take a look at Western Europe. In Western Europe wherever mass Muslim immigration is occurring we see the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants instead of assimilating and integrating like other immigrant groups, forming Muslim no-go zones instead ruled by Sharia in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. This form of non-violent stealth jihad is known as demographic conquest, and it provides documentation per your request.
 
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You obviously don’t know what Islam is and naively assume it is like other faith-based religions. Not surprising. However, in stark contrast to faith-based religions, Islam unique in the world is a religion of submission where the freedom of conscience is forbidden under the pain of death and whereby all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia.

For instance, as an adherent of a faith-based religion I can freely pick and choose what it is I will believe and what it is I will reject, and I can even freely choose to leave the religion if I so desire. However, if I were a Muslim, on the other hand, I have no choice in the matter since in effect I’m a slave of Allah. Hence, if I so much as question the tenets of Islam that would be construed as blasphemy, and blasphemy is a serious offense in Islam that is punished under the pain of death. Furthermore, as a Muslim I wouldn’t be able to freely leave the religion of Islam if I so desired, as murtaad (apostasy) is a serious offense under Islam that is likewise punished under the pain of death.

In Islam, you are either a Muslim, i.e., a slave of Allah, or otherwise you are the infidel, and, of course, if you are the latter then you must be killed.

But religion isn’t all that Islam is. Since with Islam you also get Sharia, as Sharia is intrinsic to Islam, Islam is a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination as its main goal. Indeed, Sharia institutionalizes systematic persecution and often violent oppression of females and non-Muslims and incorporates draconian punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, and amputations, while forbidding the freedom of conscience, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of religion, at the same time it also mandates death to apostates. In addition, Sharia commands all Muslims to wage offensive jihad for the spread of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, and this mandate to wage jihad for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam. Hence, if you take Islam in totality for what it really is, far more than just being a religion alone Islam in fact is a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world subjugation via the imposition of Sharia.

Therefore, because the obligation to wage jihad in the cause of Allah for the spread of Islam is the sixth pillar of Islam, all devout Muslims that are capable must adhere to that pillar. However, as I previously stated in previous posts, jihad can be both violent and non-violent, stealth, and deceptive, which means it can be as non-violent as just giving zakat or as violent as being a suicide/homicide bomber.

Finally, the vast overwhelming amount of jihad that takes place in the world today takes place for the most part behind the scenes via non-violent, stealth and deceptive means, and for a good example of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad in action, let’s take a look at Western Europe. In Western Europe wherever mass Muslim immigration is occurring we see the vast overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants instead of assimilating and integrating like other immigrant groups, forming Muslim no-go zones instead ruled by Sharia in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. This form of non-violent stealth jihad is known as demographic conquest, and it provides documentation per your request.

So in other words, to make this much shorter, no, you cannot document your wild claim. Without documentation, they are worthless.
 
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Far-rigties: Write this down on a piece of paper and tape it to your bathroom mirror.


--Ted Olson
former Solicitor General under W. His wife died on AA flt. 77 (9/11 Pentagon)

I think that he deserves the last word on this.

Like most people at the time, when he wrote or said the above, he obviously still didn’t understand and realize what Islam was at the time.
 
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So in other words, to make this much shorter, no, you cannot document your wild claim. Without documentation, they are worthless.

You are a useless waste of time. I fully documented it and all it takes is simple observation to confirm it. Had I known beforehand that you are blind and oblivious to reality, then I wouldn’t have wasted my time.
 
Re: CNSNews.com Ground Zero Mosque Group Says It Has No Plan to Move Site or Meet Wit

You are a useless waste of time. I fully documented it and all it takes is simple observation to confirm it. Had I known beforehand that you are blind and oblivious to reality, then I wouldn’t have wasted my time.

No you did not, you simply posted a long opinion on what you think Islam is.
 
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The U.S. Supreme Court has made no such ruling. Neither has a constitutional amendment been adopted and ratified toward that end. Unless that happens, Islam enjoys the same First Amendment protections as any other religion. Needless to say, nothing in the Constitution prohibits the prosecution of individuals/organizations that are involved in criminal activities, providing material support to terrorists, etc.

When you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate all unbelievers, all religions, and all governments via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, then you don’t have to be a rocket scientist or need a Supreme Court ruling to figure out that Islam isn’t covered under the free exercise clause of the first amendment to the constitution, as I’m sorry our constitution isn’t a suicide pact thank you very much.
 
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When you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate all unbelievers, all religions, and all governments via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, then you don’t have to be a rocket scientist or need a Supreme Court ruling to figure out that Islam isn’t covered under the free exercise clause of the first amendment to the constitution, as I’m sorry our constitution isn’t a suicide pact thank you very much.

Again that is in your opinion. In the eyes of the law it is still a religion and that is all that matters.
 
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When you take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate all unbelievers, all religions, and all governments via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, then you don’t have to be a rocket scientist or need a Supreme Court ruling to figure out that Islam isn’t covered under the free exercise clause of the first amendment to the constitution, as I’m sorry our constitution isn’t a suicide pact thank you very much.

Your opinion is just that, an opinion. In the eyes of the law(which is what matters), it is a religion. Just because you don't see it as such does not mean much. If it makes you feel better, there is every chance that many Muslims see your religion the same way.
 
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Have you ever actually met a Muslim?
 
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Well many people disagree with you and consider it a religion. And in my eyes it is a religion, but what is it important is that until the U.S. Supreme Court says otherwise it will remain a religion in the eyes of the law.

That’s okay. I’m fully aware that the majority of Americans in both political parties at this time are still ignorant with respect to Islam thanks in large port to GWB and the so-called MSM, but more and more people are coming to realize what Islam really is everyday. Indeed, the numbers of people that understand what Islam is today far exceeds what it was just last year. Hence, as time goes by and as Islam continues to insinuate itself into the debate, which is inevitable, eventually the numbers of people that understand what Islam really is will exceed the numbers that still don’t have a clue, then at that time Islam will be outlawed and Muslim immigration banned and reversed. It’s only a matter of time.

But even Sharia Law makes its way here to the U.S. it will not hold any water because it goes against our constitution, so I am not worried about it.

As I already explained to you, it is already here as Islam and Sharia go hand in hand and you can’t have one without the other, as Sharia is intrinsic to Islam. However, at this time the Muslims still can’t impose it upon us, but they adhere to it in their own personal lives.
 
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From the UK I have to say that this looks alot like a storm in a teacup

It's two blocks from 9-11. It's a private building. It's a multicultural city.

What's the big problem here?

UK Politics Forum

We don’t want to end up in the same boat that Europe is in.
 
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Come on Obama. Links or it didn't happen.
 
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POLITICO just broke a story this morning (carried by Daily Kos) that the GDZ mosque is "dead on arrival." Apparently, according to the story, which you can find on Kos:

* The Cordoba Initiative has only amassed ... $19,000. [ Feisal is in Saudi to get the other $99,800,00).
* There are no architectural plans, no blueprints. Several ACA firms have turned TCI down [ thats odd ].
* One RE agent from Daily Kos stated, "this is amateur hour in lower Manhattan."

Now why would they say that?

Thats hateful. These architectural firms need to be investigated .

After all this is a "Love Mosque" in lower Manhattan.
 
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I support the first amendment as well. I agree the muslim brotherhood has a right to build this mosque.

That’s because like most naïve Americans you naively assume that Islam is like other faith-based religions and Muslims are like other faith-based adherents. However, in stark contrast to faith-based religions, Islam unique in the world is a religion of submission that forbids the freedom of conscience under the pain of death where all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah, i.e., Sharia, and when you get Islam you also get Sharia as you can’t get one without the other since Sharia is intrinsic to Islam. Sharia, by the way, institutionalizes systematic persecution and often violent oppression of females and non-Muslims and incorporates draconian punishments such as lashings, stonings, beheadings, and amputations, while forbidding the freedom of conscience, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of religion, at the same time it also mandates death to apostates. In addition, Sharia commands all Muslims to wage offensive jihad for the spread of Islam via the imposition of Sharia, and this mandate to wage jihad for the spread of Islam, by the way, is the sixth pillar of Islam. Thus, when you take Islam in totality for what it really is, more than just a religion Islam is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, it is clear that Islam isn’t protected under the free exercise clause of the first amendment to the constitution as the constitution isn’t a suicide pact.

Furthermore, to confirm what I say is true, take a look inside the Islamic world and see what you see. Do you see freedom and liberty like you see when you take a look inside the Western world? No, you see only totalitarianism everywhere you look.

Moreover, you might say that the Muslim immigrants to the USA aren’t bringing Sharia along with them over here to America, but you would be wrong because Muslim immigrants adhere to it in their own personal lives. However, they are just biding their time until they eventually have the political clout to impose it upon us. Once that point is reached, it will be the end of freedom, as we once knew it. In the mean time, be prepared to deal with creeping Sharia, as Muslims never compromise and always demand.
 
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POLITICO just broke a story this morning (carried by Daily Kos) that the GDZ mosque is "dead on arrival." Apparently, according to the story, which you can find on Kos:

* The Cordoba Initiative has only amassed ... $19,000. [ Feisal is in Saudi to get the other $99,800,00).
* There are no architectural plans, no blueprints. Several ACA firms have turned TCI down [ thats odd ].
* One RE agent from Daily Kos stated, "this is amateur hour in lower Manhattan."

Now why would they say that?

Thats hateful. These architectural firms need to be investigated .

After all this is a "Love Mosque" in lower Manhattan.

For all we know, it may be a taqiyya campaign to paint the majority of Americans as being intolerant bigots and to present Islam and Muslims as victims, or it could also be a test to see how far the demographic conquest of the USA is progressing, or it could be the product of an incompetent Imam. Of course, the good Imam may already have pledges from Islamic regimes to fund the project, as the funding surrounding the GZM has been intentionally shrouded in secret. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi wants to investigate who is funding those that are opposing the GZM.

Moreover, I doubt they will get a design firm to design the GZM here in the USA and unless they bring in foreign workers to build the GZM as well, I doubt it will ever get built, and if it does get built, I won’t be surprised when it gets blown up to smithereens.
 
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Yes I am and do you know why I am calling them idiots? Its because of the fact the muslims building the mosque do not have **** to do with the trade towers collapse. It was terrorists who happened to be muslims that flew planes into the trade towers, it wasn't all muslims. If you got these people on video celebrating the trade tower attacks or solid evidence that it is the Taliban or al queada or some other terrorist group building the mosque then I could see getting pissed over them building the mosque near ground zero. However there is no evidence that they are building the mosque as a monument to terrorism. We do not get outraged every time a white man buys white sheets just because some a white supremest terrorist group wore white sheets. We do get outraged any time Catholics build a catholic church near a daycare,elementary school or some other place with children in it just because some catholic priests molested some kids.



Why because I choose not to cave into political correctness and blame all muslims for 9-11?



Arizona is not the same thing. The SB 1070 basically mirrors federal law and helps local authorities do the job the feds refuse to do. It doesn't have anything to do with trying to pin a terrorist attack on a whole religion. and I seriously doubt that those 3/4 of Americans who support sb1070 are the exact same people who oppose the mosque.

Just curious...are you a Ron Paul supporter by any chance?
 
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No you did not, you simply posted a long opinion on what you think Islam is.

Why don' t you make me laugh and refute it?
 
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Why don' t you make me laugh and refute it?

So when you cannot prove your claims, you fall back on the tired "refute it" line. It don't work that way. You made a positive claim, it's up to you to back that claim up with evidence. Until then you have not offered anything worth refuting.
 
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So I am a Islamic appeaser and supporter for supporting their rights, but you are not?

put your money were your mouth is.
 
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put your money were your mouth is.

Huh what? What does this mean?
 
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Yes I am and do you know why I am calling them idiots? Its because of the fact the muslims building the mosque do not have **** to do with the trade towers collapse. It was terrorists who happened to be muslims that flew planes into the trade towers, it wasn't all muslims. If you got these people on video celebrating the trade tower attacks or solid evidence that it is the Taliban or al queada or some other terrorist group building the mosque then I could see getting pissed over them building the mosque near ground zero. However there is no evidence that they are building the mosque as a monument to terrorism. We do not get outraged every time a white man buys white sheets just because some a white supremest terrorist group wore white sheets. We do get outraged any time Catholics build a catholic church near a daycare,elementary school or some other place with children in it just because some catholic priests molested some kids.



Why because I choose not to cave into political correctness and blame all muslims for 9-11?



Arizona is not the same thing. The SB 1070 basically mirrors federal law and helps local authorities do the job the feds refuse to do. It doesn't have anything to do with trying to pin a terrorist attack on a whole religion. and I seriously doubt that those 3/4 of Americans who support sb1070 are the exact same people who oppose the mosque.

James there is evidence that they are trying to build this mosque as a monument to Islams conquest and superiority over the USA. They initially were going to call this mosque the Cordoba House. Why do you suppose they would call it that? They were naming it after the great mosque in Cordoba Spain built as a symbol of conquest and Islamic superiority over Spain in AD 987. Just a coincedence? I think not, to me and many Americans this is evidence of there intent. If you choose to ignore this evidence you are well on your way to dhimmitude.
 
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