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senate bill s510 makes it illegal to grow, share, trade or sell hoemgrown food.

The HC bill and cap and trade bill sat around collecting dust for a long time to.

1) Irrelevant
2) Only even attempts to address part of what I said.

This thread is based on a lie. Nothing more.
 
The source is a conspiracy nut blog, the bill has languished in committee for a year with almost no action, and it does not do what the blog claims. Now that is impressive.

So presumably you have read the Bill in it's entirety?
 
We gotta get rid of them Liberals. Some of us saw this tyranny heading our way. It'll be a great day in this country when everyone can see it.

Yes we HAVE TO. Otherwise my queen Michelle Obama won't be able to keep growing vegetables in the White House garden and the Veggie Army will come out and steal my topsy turvy!!!

Seriously you guys you need to think this through before you start posting. This bill doesn't even fit your stereotype of these hippy liberal kids that are all about growing their own "crop". Why would they want to take our right to grow food ourselves and why in the hell would the government ever bother with checking food at a roadside stand?
 
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My point is, that just because it isn't in the summary, doesn't mean it isn't in the bill. Your attempt to prove a negative was a predictable failure.

oh, yeah...LOL

OK smart guy: here's THE BILL - full text. I did a very thorough once over on it, and NOWHERE did I see it mention private food production at all, much less regulate it. So...read it and get back to us when you find the smoking gun...

Oh...and the rest of you wringing your hands about this: are you really so brainwashed as to think that your local law enforcement officers, much less FDA of DHS agents are going to waste the manpower to sweep through neighborhoods looking for contraband tomato plants just so that Dick Durbin can make sure Monsanto controls all of the food production in America?

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Take it off:

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As for imported food, why can't the free market decide that produce from China isn't good enough for them?

Because you find out there's a problem when it starts killing people or has other damaging affects, which would granted led to people not buying that product but you still are using citizens as a test bed if there's no agency to monitor food quality. Also you'd have a whole lot of fear in the market that all Chinese products or ALL similar products, even if they aren't from China, are dangerous. Fear is not good for business or good for economics, people need to have confidence in the system which is exactly what government is supposed to do because the average consumer has neither the time nor the education to truly understand everything that affects them in their life, let alone food.

If you want an idea of what lack of food regulations looks like go read The Jungle.
The Jungle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Because you find out there's a problem when it starts killing people or has other damaging affects, which would granted led to people not buying that product but you still are using citizens as a test bed if there's no agency to monitor food quality. Also you'd have a whole lot of fear in the market that all Chinese products or ALL similar products, even if they aren't from China, are dangerous. Fear is not good for business or good for economics, people need to have confidence in the system which is exactly what government is supposed to do because the average consumer has neither the time nor the education to truly understand everything that affects them in their life, let alone food.

If you want an idea of what lack of food regulations looks like go read The Jungle.
The Jungle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Jungle is fiction. Upton Sinclair even admitted that he made up most of the horror stories about the meat packing industry.

The Jungle was, first and foremost, a novel. It was intended to be a polemic—a diatribe, if you will and not a well-researched and dispassionate documentary. Sinclair relied heavily on both his own imagination and on the hearsay of others. He did not even pretend to have actually witnessed the horrendous conditions he ascribed to Chicago packinghouses, nor to have verified them, nor to have derived them from any official records.

Sinclair hoped the book would ignite a powerful socialist movement on behalf of America’s workers. The public’s attention was directed instead to his fewer than a dozen pages of supposed descriptions of unsanitary conditions in the meatpacking plants. “I aimed at the public’s heart,” he later wrote, “and by accident I hit it in the stomach.”

Ideas and Consequences: Of Meat and Myth | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty

Don't allow yourself to get caught up in revisionist history.
 
So apdst are you trying to argue we would be much better off without a USDA? Is that what you are getting at?
 
Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food |

"If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice."

Now that you're scared, here's a link to the actual bill

S. 510: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (GovTrack.us)

I think environmentalists and organic food eating sissies should endorse libertarianism as a way to save their precious homegrown foods. Instead I always hear a lot of "wouldn't it be nice if"'s from environmentalists and organic hippies that fantasize about a big tyrannical state that takes away HFC and Fried Foods and other things that are deemed more dangerous than the expansion of the State. Environmentalists have brought this on themselves. It's time for environmentalists to embrace the free market. San Fransico soda bans and New York salt bans are not done to show support for healthy organic hippie goodness. The state works against EVERYONE. Dismissing everything as some kind of corporate state-capitalist scheme to kill and enslave people with HFC does nothing to protect your organic crops and hippie life style.





They can have my tomatos when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.
 
The Jungle is fiction. Upton Sinclair even admitted that he made up most of the horror stories about the meat packing industry.

Don't allow yourself to get caught up in revisionist history.

Do you have a less biased source?
 
Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food |

"If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice."

Now that you're scared, here's a link to the actual bill

S. 510: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act (GovTrack.us)

I think environmentalists and organic food eating sissies should endorse libertarianism as a way to save their precious homegrown foods. Instead I always hear a lot of "wouldn't it be nice if"'s from environmentalists and organic hippies that fantasize about a big tyrannical state that takes away HFC and Fried Foods and other things that are deemed more dangerous than the expansion of the State. Environmentalists have brought this on themselves. It's time for environmentalists to embrace the free market. San Fransico soda bans and New York salt bans are not done to show support for healthy organic hippie goodness. The state works against EVERYONE. Dismissing everything as some kind of corporate state-capitalist scheme to kill and enslave people with HFC does nothing to protect your organic crops and hippie life style.
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Please post the specific section of the bill that does what you say.

Jesus, where do these people come from... file this one right next to 'Death Panels'...
 
This bill is wrong on so many levels.

I doubt it can withstand constitutional scrutiny. It's a property rights issue.
 
I doubt it can withstand constitutional scrutiny. It's a property rights issue.

does nothing more that elevate the level of scrutiny at the food and drug administration

after this issue with bad eggs, it's probably a good time to re-examine what is and is not going on there

it has absolutely NOTHING to do with property rights issues
 
does nothing more that elevate the level of scrutiny at the food and drug administration

after this issue with bad eggs, it's probably a good time to re-examine what is and is not going on there

it has absolutely NOTHING to do with property rights issues

The FDA is a failure and a corrupt organization.
 
Question - Why are we still debating the pros and cons of a claim about something that does not even exist?

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Question - Why are we still debating the pros and cons of a claim about something that does not even exist?

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There's another thread here about CSAs, community share farms. I always thought they were great ideas and found quite a few in my area from the link Catz posted.
With this administration and hidden things in bills, these places could cease to exist. At least that's my take on it.
Liberals love things like sharing food and organic farming and big intrusive government. I don't think they can have both.
 
There's another thread here about CSAs, community share farms. I always thought they were great ideas and found quite a few in my area from the link Catz posted.
With this administration and hidden things in bills, these places could cease to exist. At least that's my take on it.
Liberals love things like sharing food and organic farming and big intrusive government. I don't think they can have both.

please identify the provisions of the bill which would eliminate community share farms
 
please identify the provisions of the bill which would eliminate community share farms

Maybe, while we are debating this, we can also debate whether adding Axel Rose as the 5th member was a good idea for the Beatles.
 
We gotta get rid of them Liberals. Some of us saw this tyranny heading our way. It'll be a great day in this country when everyone can see it.

Per usual the republican / conservative doesnt actually CHECK the facts. They just swollow the Hannity sugar pills and that good enough for them! ;)
 
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