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GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

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I make no apology for what I have EARNED and I pay a lot in taxes each year. When I get to keep more of my money I give more to charity and more to my family so that you and others don't have to take care of them when I am no longer around. That is called accepting personal responsibility. For those that have much, much is given, a lot more than the bureaucrats would have you believe. Liberals want you dependent on them and you seem to buy that. I prefer taking control of my own destiny and giving to the charities in my local community. You seem to have a problem with that thus I do feel sorry for that misguided opinion and yhour brainwashing.
so...i'm brainwashed because i expect you to pay your fair share?? ooooooooooook.......
 
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so...i'm brainwashed because i expect you to pay your fair share?? ooooooooooook.......

Tell me what my fair share is? That is the least you can do, define it!
 
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Most of the infrastructure is paid for by use taxes, not Federal Income taxes. Everytime you buy a gallon of gasoline .19 goes to the Federal Govt. and then there are taxes that go to the states. That funds roads and bridges. What infrastructure is funded by income taxes?

There you go again, "paying their fair share" what exactly does that mean to you? How much is their fair share since they pay a high percentage of total tax revenue now. What is the fair share of people who don't pay any income taxes yet have cell phones, HD TV's, computers, pagers, etc?
That's another version of Ronnie's Reagan welfare queen that nobody ever found. According to the Excel Spreadsheet I posted the other day, .2% of those earning $10 million or more paid no taxes. So stop with your class envy stuff.
 
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That's another version of Ronnie's Reagan welfare queen that nobody ever found. According to the Excel Spreadsheet I posted the other day, .2% of those earning $10 million or more paid no taxes. So stop with your class envy stuff.

So what, 47% of the people in this country don't pay any income taxes either, where is your outrage? You seem to want to pick and choose winners and losers so tell me what is my fair share as it relates to taxes?
 
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So what, 47% of the people in this country don't pay any income taxes either, where is your outrage? You seem to want to pick and choose winners and losers so tell me what is my fair share as it relates to taxes?
That's class envy stuff. What is the reason they pay no taxes, you have to take on a case-by-case basis. The 47% figure is meaningless, put a face on it and you will have something.
 
The govt. doesn't prefund SS, the taxpayer does. There was NO Surplus by Bill Clinton as the U.S. Treasury shows. If you go to the U.S. Treasury website you will see that reality. SS is On Budget and that is the only reason the budget was even close to being balanced. Intergovt. holdings obligations went up as SS revenue was replaced with an IOU which is an obligation thus a debt.

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

Obviously conservative, except the only way the SS trust funds and the like could purchase a government tresuary and therby increase intragovernmental holdings was if those programs were in surplus. Do you dispute this? How can debt issued to the public go down if there was no surplus? It is literally impossible.

You are literally arguing that the US national debt increased because government programs like SS,medicare,etc had such a large surplus. Therefore there was no surplus.
 
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This is pure BS, President Obama has done more to secure the border than any president.

Really? I live in TX, you live in Oregon yet you are the expert? How can someone be so wrong on so many issues, find that Clinton surplus yet?

FOXNews.com - Company Audits Up, Illegal Worker Arrests Way Down Since 2008

So those illegal's don't cost local communities at all? Fine the employers and leave the illegals in this country. Make sense to you? Our County spent over 600,000 last year for healthcare for illegals. That apparently is another success story for a liberal and Obama.
 
Obviously conservative, except the only way the SS trust funds and the like could purchase a government tresuary and therby increase intragovernmental holdings was if those programs were in surplus. Do you dispute this? How can debt issued to the public go down if there was no surplus? It is literally impossible.

You are literally arguing that the US national debt increased because government programs like SS,medicare,etc had such a large surplus. Therefore there was no surplus.

Where was that surplus supposed to go? You just don't get it and probably never will. You "contribute" to SS as does your employer and that money is supposed to be there when you retire. If fewer people retire than are contributing then there is going to be a short term surplus. Like everything else liberals do it is kick the can down the road. That money should be set aside for when you retire. Instead it is being spent now.
Make sense to you? As for govt. bonds, where does the money come for those bonds? Eventually the govt. has to cover payments for those bonds, where is the money going to come from?
 
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so...i'm brainwashed because i expect you to pay your fair share?? ooooooooooook.......

Still waiting for you to tell me what my fair share tax liability is? Thanks
 
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Really? I live in TX, you live in Oregon yet you are the expert? How can someone be so wrong on so many issues, find that Clinton surplus yet?

FOXNews.com - Company Audits Up, Illegal Worker Arrests Way Down Since 2008

So those illegal's don't cost local communities at all? Fine the employers and leave the illegals in this country. Make sense to you? Our County spent over 600,000 last year for healthcare for illegals. That apparently is another success story for a liberal and Obama.
The video is a hypercharged ad, it's off topic as well, that says he doesn't care, that's bs. If you want more border security send your bucks to Rick Perry in Austin.
 
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Still waiting for you to tell me what my fair share tax liability is? Thanks
Why do you always try to turn the discussion to personal issues. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks what your fair share of taxes is. Relavance is zilch, nada.
 
Where was that surplus supposed to go? You just don't get it and probably never will. You "contribute" to SS as does your employer and that money is supposed to be there when you retire. If fewer people retire than are contributing then there is going to be a short term surplus. Like everything else liberals do it is kick the can down the road. That money should be set aside for when you retire. Instead it is being spent now.
Make sense to you? As for govt. bonds, where does the money come for those bonds? Eventually the govt. has to cover payments for those bonds, where is the money going to come from?

It went exactly were it is supposed to go, to the general fund to reduce the public debt and create a surplus. I am simply stating a fact, that there was a surplus FY 1998,99,00 (maybe 01, don't remember). I don't really care to argue what you think should have happened.

Obviously the government has to pay the national debt. I never argued otherwise. I am just saying there was a surplus for those years because the outstanding public debt was reduced. That is pretty definitional.
 
It went exactly were it is supposed to go, to the general fund to reduce the public debt and create a surplus. I am simply stating a fact, that there was a surplus FY 1998,99,00 (maybe 01, don't remember). I don't really care to argue what you think should have happened.

Obviously the government has to pay the national debt. I never argued otherwise. I am just saying there was a surplus for those years because the outstanding public debt was reduced. That is pretty definitional.

You are kidding, right, SS surplus should go to pay down the public debt? What about the intergovt. holdings which it was taken from? Apparently you don't realize it is your SS money that is being spent on other items? Where is the money going to come from that you expect when you retire and you contributed for decades?

The surplus in the budget with money taken from govt. holdings isn't a surplus at all. I cannot believe we are having this argument. You obviously don't understand SS.
 
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Why do you always try to turn the discussion to personal issues. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks what your fair share of taxes is. Relavance is zilch, nada.

You and Randel claim that the rich don't pay their fair share yet won't tell what you believe that fair share is? You call that getting personal?
 
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The video is a hypercharged ad, it's off topic as well, that says he doesn't care, that's bs. If you want more border security send your bucks to Rick Perry in Austin.

Border security is a Federal Responsibility or didn't you know "your" President sued Arizona for trying to protect their citizens? Fining businesses and letting the illegal's go free just passes the buck to someone else for the expense of those illegal's. There is no logic or common sense in any of your arguments.
 
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Border security is a Federal Responsibility or didn't you know "your" President sued Arizona for trying to protect their citizens? Fining businesses and letting the illegal's go free just passes the buck to someone else for the expense of those illegal's. There is no logic or common sense in any of your arguments.
President Obama has sent NG to troops Arizona to protect the borders, the Arizona law has nothing to do with border security. It's about checking one's 'papers' like they did in the old Soviet Union. Is that what you want? It's illegal to cross the border into this country however, it's not illegal to be here without 'papers.' Whether you like it or not, everyone present in this country reguardless of status is covered by the Bill of Rights.

I repeat, the Arizona law, SB1070, will not stop anyone from entering this county. It's stupidity on steroids to think it will.
 
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You and Randel claim that the rich don't pay their fair share yet won't tell what you believe that fair share is? You call that getting personal?
What do you think is fair?
 
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President Obama has sent NG to troops Arizona to protect the borders, the Arizona law has nothing to do with border security. It's about checking one's 'papers' like they did in the old Soviet Union. Is that what you want? It's illegal to cross the border into this country however, it's not illegal to be here without 'papers.' Whether you like it or not, everyone present in this country reguardless of status is covered by the Bill of Rights.

I repeat, the Arizona law, SB1070, will not stop anyone from entering this county. It's stupidity on steroids to think it will.

Do you pay any attention to what you post?
If you want more border security send your bucks to Rick Perry in Austin.
Contradicts your post again as usual. One of these days that light bulb is going to go off in your head and you are going to wonder why you allowed the Democrat Party to make such a fool out of you.
 
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What do you think is fair?

I asked you, I am for the flat tax, not the progressive tax we have right now. You said the rich aren't paying their fair share so obviously you must have something in mind.

You obviously don't have a problem with 47% of the people not paying any income taxes thus their fair share must be zero in your world.
 
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Do you pay any attention to what you post? Contradicts your post again as usual. One of these days that light bulb is going to go off in your head and you are going to wonder why you allowed the Democrat Party to make such a fool out of you.
Jesus, I was being faceious conservative. I was busting your nuts.:mrgreen:
 
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I asked you, I am for the flat tax, not the progressive tax we have right now. You said the rich aren't paying their fair share so obviously you must have something in mind.

You obviously don't have a problem with 47% of the people not paying any income taxes thus their fair share must be zero in your world.
What is the reason the 47% pay no income tax? Does everyone one who earns some money need to pay taxes in your world?
 
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What is the reason the 47% pay no income tax? Does everyone one who earns some money need to pay taxes in your world?

Does it matter? If someone uses the services provided by the country then they should pay something. Obviously you disagree and believe that someone else should pay for you as well. I asked you what the fair share was for the rich who pay most of the taxes in this country, think they use most of the services that the Federal Budget provides? Obviously you believe the fair share for 47% is zero.
 
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