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GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion

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TurtleDude said:
one day the house of cards is going to collapse and all of those who have become dependent on the government to take care of them are going to be in a world of hurt
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And THEREIN lies the problem. The opposite of "Big Government" isn't "Small Government." The opposite of "Big Government" is "French Revolution."

If that house of cards collapses, the poor aren't just going to sit there and peacefully starve to death. They're going to come get what they need to survive.

If it's between paying a bit more in taxes and having every city in the US operating like a post-Katrina New Orleans, I know which one I'm choosing.
 
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Cyberhwk said:
And THEREIN lies the problem. The opposite of "Big Government" isn't "Small Government." The opposite of "Big Government" is "French Revolution."

If that house of cards collapses, the poor aren't just going to sit there and peacefully starve to death. They're going to come get what they need to survive.

If it's between paying a bit more in taxes and having every city in the US operating like a post-Katrina New Orleans, I know which one I'm choosing.
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It isn't that-jacking up the taxes on those who already pay to much while allowing a majority of the voters to continue to support more spending because they don't face FIT hikes is what is going to cause the collapse

right now there is no incentive for a majority of tax payers to reign in spending because the dems promise them that others will have to pay more taxes not them

then when the others have no more to give or stop paying, the dependents will revolt
 
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donc said:
Don,t bet on it,the country WAS dumb enough to elect bush twice.
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Voting for Bush was smart given that the alternatives were a couple complete morons
 
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TurtleDude said:
Voting for Bush was smart given that the alternatives were a couple complete morons
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Alleged morons. Semi quoting Rummey, there are KNOWN KNOWNS, these are things we KNOW that we KNOW, as apposed to KNOWN. We KNOW that we had a disaster for eight years prior too the present President .We also KNOW we are still digging out from under said disaster. Hopefully the KNOWN President that we KNOW has been in office for only two years can dig us out of the KNOWN hole that we KNOW was caused by the KNOWN incompetence of the previous administration. :2wave:
 
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TurtleDude said:
It isn't that-jacking up the taxes on those who already payto much while allowing a majority of the voters to continue to support more spending because they don't face FIT hikes is what is going to cause the collapse

right now there is no incentive for a majority of tax payers to reign in spending because the dems promise them that others will have to pay more taxes not them

then when the others have no more to give or stop paying, the dependents will revolt
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Who are you speaking about when say "those who already pay to much?"
 
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TurtleDude said:
and in your haste to try to challenge me you continue to miss the point
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Apparently showing how you are dishonest doesn't actually exist to you.

It's hilarious how you think certain posts simply do not exist.

The mantra of "I don't like it, therefore it no longer exists" must really help you preserve your fragile world view.
 
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obvious Child said:
Apparently showing how you are dishonest doesn't actually exist to you.

It's hilarious how you think certain posts simply do not exist.

The mantra of "I don't like it, therefore it no longer exists" must really help you preserve your fragile world view.
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More nonsense.

we get the fact that you are upset that others are more industrious and make more money than you do and you crave government confiscation of more wealth in order to salve the hurt

we also get the fact that you will try to justify more government confiscation of wealth with grandiose claims that jacking up taxes on the most productive 1-2% of the population is for the "greater good"
 
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pbrauer said:
Who are you speaking about when say "those who already pay to much?"
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the people who make 22% of the income yet pay 40% of the income tax pay far too much taxes
 
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TurtleDude said:
Voting for Bush was smart given that the alternatives were a couple complete morons
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Sadly, the same situation is likely to occur in 2012....Obama will be up against tweedledumb and tweedledumber...
 
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Cyberhwk said:
And THEREIN lies the problem. The opposite of "Big Government" isn't "Small Government." The opposite of "Big Government" is "French Revolution."

If that house of cards collapses, the poor aren't just going to sit there and peacefully starve to death. They're going to come get what they need to survive.

If it's between paying a bit more in taxes and having every city in the US operating like a post-Katrina New Orleans, I know which one I'm choosing.
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Our "poor" won't starve, but they might have to give up cell phones, ipods, cable TV, internet, beer and wine, smokes, weekly trips to the hair salons, etc.
 
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UtahBill said:
Sadly, the same situation is likely to occur in 2012....Obama will be up against tweedledumb and tweedledumber...
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Obama has proven what we knew all along--he was incompetent with no real experience

anyone is better than that turd because with someone else there is at least a chance of something other than complete destruction of the american economy.
 
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UtahBill said:
Our "poor" won't starve, but they might have to give up cell phones, ipods, cable TV, internet, beer and wine, smokes, weekly trips to the hair salons, etc.
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the main reason to make the poor lose income (no matter how derived) when government spending increases is to demonstrate to them that government spending has to be paid for by citizens-not BS that only the rich have to pay more and more for increased government spending
 
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TurtleDude said:
Obama has proven what we knew all along--he was incompetent with no real experience

anyone is better than that turd because with someone else there is at least a chance of something other than complete destruction of the american economy.
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Here is the problem we have today and one that Obama supporters ignore

Obama's handlers understand what people want to hear and Obama is able to express that with a straight face. People WANT to believe and he gives them their wants in words. They are incapable of distinguishing the difference between what he says he will do and what his entire history tells them exactly what he will do.
 
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TurtleDude said:
the main reason to make the poor lose income (no matter how derived) when government spending increases is to demonstrate to them that government spending has to be paid for by citizens-not BS that only the rich have to pay more and more for increased government spending
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It has been reported that 53% of the people in this country actually pay Federal Income Taxes. Is it not surprising that the other 47% have no problem raising taxes on the income generaters in this country?
 
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TurtleDude said:
the people who make 22% of the income yet pay 40% of the income tax pay far too much taxes
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It would be interesting if we adding in state and local taxes which have grown progressive over the last few years. My guess is that owuld take the total to over 50%. Oh, and let's not forget property taxes.
 
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Conservative said:
It has been reported that 53% of the people in this country actually pay Federal Income Taxes. Is it not surprising that the other 47% have no problem raising taxes on the income generaters in this country?
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If only 53% pat incoome taxes how does the media keep saying that Obama wants to give tax cuts to 95% of the population? Cab't be that they are spewing the administration's hype.
 
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washunut said:
It would be interesting if we adding in state and local taxes which have grown progressive over the last few years. My guess is that owuld take the total to over 50%. Oh, and let's not forget property taxes.
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while 53% pay income tax, one does not become a NET Federal Income Tax Payer until you are at a taxable income level of about 117,000 dollars from what I have read.

there is nothing more dishonest than those posters who claim the top 1-2% don't pay their fair share unless they mean (and they do not) that the top 1-2% pay far more than their "fair share"
 
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washunut said:
If only 53% pat incoome taxes how does the media keep saying that Obama wants to give tax cuts to 95% of the population? Cab't be that they are spewing the administration's hype.
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Exactly right, thus my statement

Obama's handlers understand what people want to hear and Obama is able to express that with a straight face. People WANT to believe and he gives them their wants in words. They are incapable of distinguishing the difference between what he says he will do and what his entire history tells them exactly what he will do.
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Then the is the statement that the 47% do pay payroll taxes. Wonder if any Obama supporter actually knows what payroll taxes are? What payroll taxes would an Obama supporter propose cutting?
 
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TurtleDude said:
while 53% pay income tax, one does not become a NET Federal Income Tax Payer until you are at a taxable income level of about 117,000 dollars from what I have read.

there is nothing more dishonest than those posters who claim the top 1-2% don't pay their fair share unless they mean (and they do not) that the top 1-2% pay far more than their "fair share"
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Tell us what you believe the "fair share" is that the rich should pay? Think it is fair for 47% not to pay any income taxes?
 
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Conservative said:
Tell us what you believe the "fair share" is that the rich should pay? Think it is fair for 47% not to pay any income taxes?
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we are on the same side dude

I oppose an progressive income tax but could live with a flat tax even though the high payers stll pay far more than they use

if a group makes 10% of the income they should pay ten percent of the income tax

since the top 1% make 22% of the income their share of the federal income tax burden should be 22%

of course, true fairness is paying for what you use and in that case the rich would pay far less because most of the government spending that can be actually traced, is not used by the rich

BBL-off to a sporting event
 
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TurtleDude said:
we are on the same side dude

I oppose an progressive income tax but could live with a flat tax even though the high payers stll pay far more than they use

if a group makes 10% of the income they should pay ten percent of the income tax

since the top 1% make 22% of the income their share of the federal income tax burden should be 22%

of course, true fairness is paying for what you use and in that case the rich would pay far less because most of the government spending that can be actually traced, is not used by the rich

BBL-off to a sporting event
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I know we are and my apology. I responded too quickly. Old age setting in
 
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Conservative said:
Then the is the statement that the 47% do pay payroll taxes. Wonder if any Obama supporter actually knows what payroll taxes are? What payroll taxes would an Obama supporter propose cutting?
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I wonder if you realize that everyone who earns up to $106K pays payroll taxes and there is no reason to cut them. And it doesn't matter whether somebody is an Obama supporter or was a McCain supporter knows that payroll taxes are contributions to one SS or not. They need to know there is a means tested program - the earned income tax credit - that will offer relief for the payroll taxes they pay.

I will also point out again that the 400 richest American's tax payers have gotten richer under Bush and their effective tax rate has plummeted to 16-17%
 
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washunut said:
If only 53% pat incoome taxes how does the media keep saying that Obama wants to give tax cuts to 95% of the population? Cab't be that they are spewing the administration's hype.
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Did he actually say 95% of the population? or 95% of taxpayers?
 
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pbrauer said:
I will also point out again that the 400 richest American's tax payers have gotten richer under Bush and their effective tax rate has plummeted to 16-17%
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perhaps..
in 2000, the british pound = around 1.6x usd
in 2008, the british pound = peaked at 2.0x usd

so while their accumulation of us capitol went up, the crashing economy took the shine off of any gains to the tune of 20%.. "cutting from the bottom of the sheet.." to coin a phrase..
 
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TurtleDude said:
Obama has proven what we knew all along--he was incompetent with no real experience

anyone is better than that turd because with someone else there is at least a chance of something other than complete destruction of the american economy.
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I hope that allowing too many of our jobs go overseas isn't being blamed on the DEMS....if so, I want proof.
I will buy into the unions having too much power and demanding rediculous wages, but congress stood by and let those jobs go. If we don't have workers, we don't have consumers, which leads to less workers, less consuming. The GOP was part of that fiasco.
 
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